Are you a parasite on the back of society?

Hobbes · 28-08-2001 12:23pm #1

Originally posted by Yo Mamma:
Do anything about them?

Do you?

Yo Mamma · 28-08-2001 12:51pm

U never answered the question! But to Answer yours...

I do give some change to the street-dwellers once in a while, but for the most part I take care of myself almost exclusively. Lately, I've had no rash consumer desires, just debt-dodging and scraping by, usually with 20-40 quid left over per pay.

I know that by helping others you set the stuff in motion for the world to help you... why I don't do it is beyond me ?

Thats being honest about it !

the fnj · 28-08-2001 1:12pm

Kill em all and let god sort em out!

Thats what I do

azezil · 28-08-2001 1:20pm

I don't like to see ppl geting hurt or dieing, so i just look away!

Seriously d'oh the majority of ppl do it, of course would never admit it, i really can't stand ppl who say they care but do nothing. Don't kid urself!

How many ppl here would help a homeless guy if he was been beaten by a bunch of guards? not many i'd imagine, although you'd be well within your rights to make a citizens arrest irregardless of the fact that they're law inforcement officers.

"just because you're not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after you!"

Miguel_Sanchez · 28-08-2001 7:19pm

Originally posted by Yo Mamma:
Any of the other problems bother you? Global warming, pollution, disease, killer bees, Christianity? Do anything about them?

Just wondering ?

Eh... Christianity? Since when is that a world problem?

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nesf · 28-08-2001 11:29pm

I try to live well, but tbh as a student I've enough problems of my own without helping ppl i don't know. I do help ppl I know tho, maybe thats a better solution?

It's easier to help when you can see the effect of your efforts.

Yo Mamma · 28-08-2001 11:36pm

Are you responsible for anything other than what YOU do and what YOU say? By this I am asking, as a human being on a planet with all these other fcuking morons, are you responsible for anyone but yourself?

I step over and around the homeless every day. They aren't all lazy *******s—some of them are genuinely unfortunate and need help. Is it your place to help them? Do you? Starving children and Sally Struthers and all that sh17t?

Is that your responsibility? There are a helluva lot of people on this planet and overpopulation seems inevitable. What then? Do you wonder about that, or do you figure you'll be dead before those kind of problems can affect your comfort level any more than they already do, so fcuk it?

Any of the other problems bother you? Global warming, pollution, disease, killer bees, Christianity? Do anything about them?

Just wondering ?

WhiteWashMan · 28-08-2001 11:53pm

morally i suppose we are obliged to help them, depending on what your background ethics are.
me personally, well, no. i dont owe them and they dont owe me. but then again, im not very nice....

Karl Hungus · 29-08-2001 12:16am

Originally posted by Jeff_Lebowski:
Eh... Christianity? Since when is that a world problem?

Eh... Ever hear of the Crusades?

The Corinthian · 29-08-2001 10:41am

Things are a little tough at present in the IT sector, but this should not be confused with a recession. There are plenty of means to make money out there and plenty of safety nets.

Given this, as a generalisation, the homeless are so because of two categories; mental illness and addiction.

The former can be either clinical or not. Clinical mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia or manic depression, are the responsibility of the State, and should be treated.

The other type of mental illnesses are self induced. When was the last time that such an individual accepted responsibility for their plight. It’s always someone else’s fault; society, family, whatever. Ultimately, inability to accept responsibility is what made them homeless.

I’ve a friend who lost his job a few years ago. He did nothing for the first few months until the money ran out and his credit card was cancelled. Then he went on the Dole/rent allowance. He spent two years feeling sorry for himself and forgetting to pay his rent and debts until he finally got evicted. He was lucky, as he was able to move home with his parents, otherwise he’d have been on the street. Eventually, he realised his own folly and took charge of his life and is back on his feet again. But only when he accepted responsibility for his plight.

Addicts, be they junkies or alcoholics share this feeling of victimisation. After all, they can’t help themselves. It’s not their fault if they mug you - and given a chance, they will. There, pity or humanity must be weighed against the pure damage they cause. And you really don’t want to know what I would suggest as a solution...

As a caveat, don’t mistake beggars with the homeless. Beggars have homes. They also make a handy, tax-free, living out of the middle class idiots who give them money. Probably a lot more that them (you can make £60 in an hour on a good street corner). Gypsies (a new addition to the Irish landscape) definitely fall into this category, although there’s plenty of homegrown beggars about. Once again, you really don’t want to know what I would suggest as a solution...

"Just because I'm evil doesn't mean I'm not nice." - Charlie Fulton

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Xterminator · 29-08-2001 12:55pm

I think society should put in place saftey nets, so those who want to, can help themselves.

An example of this would be, if unemployed people had to do work in their local community to receive 'dole' payments.

You know, clean up rubbish, remove graffeti, decorate old peoples homes, look after the parks etc.

That way if someone loses their job, they have a fallback. It can happen to any of us.

And if you were getting your £70 quid a week for 4 or 5 hard days work, and MCDonalds offered you a job, where youd get £150 you'd see the unemployed jump at these jobs. None of this "I wouldn't lower myself to work there". After all it does not wound their pride to take a handout! (this idea would save £millions as those who claim dole while working, would find it hard to work th 5 day week for their dole, and keep their black market jobs.

As for the homeless, i think the government should get a big warehouse, convert it so that it has cots, showers, laundry, a kitchen etc. and run it as an open house. Security on the door, to keep out anti social elements, drunks junkies etc. Those who come in should have all the services they need eg medical, social welfare advice etc.
It could be a step off the streets for those who want it. Use it as an address so you can claim welfare. Then welfare could pay your rent on a private place, as you move out of the homless trap.
They can use the shower+laundry facilities to make themselves employable, and presentable.

To pay for this, I would be willing to forgo my usual penny off income tax per pound in there next budget.

But there ar far too many people out there that dont want to work. There are people who became homeless unnessacarly.. eg those evicted for anti-social behaviour etc.

If that was inplace i would not feel the need to give money to street beggars.
But at the moment, if I pass by someone, and i have a few pound in loosechange, I feel its better to show charity, to someone who does not need it, than ignore someone who does.

X

"Man, you go through life, you try to be nice to people, you struggle against the urge to punch ‘em in the face, and for what?! For some pimply little puke to treat you like dirt unless you're on a team. Well I'm better than dirt ... well most kinds of dirt. I mean, not that fancy, store-bought dirt. That stuff’s loaded with nutrients. I …I can't compete with that stuff."
-Moe Szyslak

Shinji · 29-08-2001 3:50pm

I don't give money to people on the street, but when a friend lost his job recently I went hungry for a week before my payday in order to cover his rent for him.

I have no time for the beggar in Waterloo station on a Friday evening who has fubar'd his life, but I'll spend hours listening to a friend who's messed up and needs help to get back onto the straight and narrow.

The sorrows of the drunk blubbering in a gutter don't bother me, but I'm always happy to put everything aside to comfort someone I care for who's had a rough time.

So, I guess I'm human. I look after my own, the people I actually care about. I'm not prepared to take responsibility for the world at large, because it's too full of genuine parasites, morons and downright bástards. Am I selfish? Maybe. But then again, if everyone did as I do, would this problem exist in the first place...?

WhiteWashMan · 29-08-2001 3:53pm

Originally posted by Shinji:
I don't give money to people on the street, but when a friend lost his job recently I went hungry for a week before my payday in order to cover his rent for him.

I have no time for the beggar in Waterloo station on a Friday evening who has fubar'd his life, but I'll spend hours listening to a friend who's messed up and needs help to get back onto the straight and narrow.

The sorrows of the drunk blubbering in a gutter don't bother me, but I'm always happy to put everything aside to comfort someone I care for who's had a rough time.

So, I guess I'm human. I look after my own, the people I actually care about. I'm not prepared to take responsibility for the world at large, because it's too full of genuine parasites, morons and downright bástards. Am I selfish? Maybe. But then again, if everyone did as I do, would this problem exist in the first place...?

i am poor and need beer money.
will you meet me in the pub and buy me beer soon?

The Sweeper · 29-08-2001 4:06pm

Right - I've been working for years - always tax paying jobs because I was lucky enough to get a regular stint while in college - the sort of job you can go back to whenever you have free time. The last time I worked where I didn't pay tax I was a 15 year old lounge girl for about a week I reckon.

In 1999, I worked 9 months of the year, and took a three month sabbatical to work in the UK.

Went to get two teeth filled recently. (Ouch, no more chocie for me.) Signed a PRSI form in the dentist. Grand - thought I'd save myself about £40 or whatever.

Got a letter from the social welfare last week. Says that my PRSI claim against dental treatment has been refused because for the year 1999 I only have 38 PRSI stamps and I need 39.

I now have to go back to my dentist, apologise for the mess up, and shell out the remainder of the bill.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one person I'm looking after from here on in and it's poxy well me.

It's never too late to have a happy childhood.

The Corinthian · 29-08-2001 4:21pm

Originally posted by Shinji:
The sorrows of the drunk blubbering in a gutter don't bother me, but I'm always happy to put everything aside to comfort someone I care for who's had a rough time.

Be still my bleeding heart...

What we need is a really severe Winter...

"Just because I'm evil doesn't mean I'm not nice." - Charlie Fulton

Miguel_Sanchez · 29-08-2001 5:33pm

Originally posted by AngelWhore:
Eh... Ever hear of the Crusades?

Yeah. But last time I checked there were quite some time back.

So Christianity is hardly a world problem today.

You can imagine where it goes from here. --- He fixes the cable?

Oogy_Boogy · 29-08-2001 9:40pm

dont matter for me tho, i have 4 outcomes in life.

(1). Dying Soon
(2). Becoming a Criminal then gettin thrown in jail
(3). I might even join the poor
or (4). Joining the Fast Food restaurant service, in a dead-end job, then dying later than sooner.

either way it is a Loose-Loose situation so i bums on the street dont really bother me.
i have sympathy for them obviously but theres no point givin them money, its not like ur £40 will give them a nice house now will it?

"Dont Drink & Drive. Smoke & Fly"

The Corinthian · 30-08-2001 12:58am

Originally posted by Oogy_Boogy:
(4). Joining the Fast Food restaurant service, in a dead-end job, then dying later than sooner.

Ever hear of ambition? Lot's of people start off in sh|t jobs. Many of the Worlds wealthest and most powerful individuals were is sh|tty positions when they started off - that's why some of them decided to do better.

Carpe diem... otherwise get yourself a civil service job and go back to grazing with the rest of the herd.

"Just because I'm evil doesn't mean I'm not nice." - Charlie Fulton

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Pugsley · 30-08-2001 1:43am

Originally posted by Jeff_Lebowski:
Yeah. But last time I checked there were quite some time back.

So Christianity is hardly a world problem today.

Uhhh if im not mistakin the whole trouble in iraq is about religion ??

Kensai · 30-08-2001 3:28am

Originally posted by Pugsley:
Uhhh if im not mistakin the whole trouble in iraq is about religion ??

I thought it was about saddam and his dictatorship?

Chaos-Engine · 30-08-2001 3:48am

Originally posted by Kensai:

Originally posted by Pugsley:
Uhhh if im not mistakin the whole trouble in iraq is about religion ??

I thought it was about saddam and his dictatorship?

The Dictatorship and Saddam was created by the US in the 70s to provent the spread of communism...
THE USA and BRITAIN gave arms and technology to Iraq... They promoted a Military run governmentand then finally Dictatorship. The coldwar then ends... USA doesn't know what to do with all the extra Authocratic states like Iraq, Afghanistan(also US funded Taliban) and Indonisa....

Basically that is what Iraq is all about.

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SantaHoe · 30-08-2001 4:00am

Originally posted by Yo Mamma:
There are a helluva lot of people on this planet and overpopulation seems inevitable. What then?

Impose a world-wide one-child-per-family law, and have a few big wars.

Do you wonder about that,

Yep.

or do you figure you'll be dead before those kind of problems can affect your comfort level any more than they already do, so fcuk it?

They already *do* effect my 'comfort level'- too many people gah, just look at the housing market, the traffic jams and the que for the taxi rank.
Less people please.
People suck.

Miguel_Sanchez · 30-08-2001 9:18am

People fighting against people of another religion or people fighting over religion.....

It's not the religion that's the problem - it's the people. And Christianity being the cause of the trouble in Iraq? That's just wrong.

You can't say that Christianity is a world problem because it just isn't. Maybe some people with a warped view of it could use it as a means to do some harm to others. But, unless you're a freaking moron, you're going to realise that what their doing has not got anything to do with their religion.

You can imagine where it goes from here. --- He fixes the cable?

Yo Mamma · 30-08-2001 9:37am

Jesus never called himself anything but the Son of God. He never claimed any man-made faith. Christianity was created for Man by Man to associate with the teachings of Jesus.

Spirituality is the true message that Jesus was trying to relay. A one on one relationship with his father, our father......Or what ever way u see it ! I dont personally care for religion much myself and tend to lean towards the personal spiritual sort of thing!

As humans though we only see the traditions of man and view things carnally instead of Spiritually.

Think about all the terrible occurences in history where men, woman and children were raped, killed and tortured in the name of Christianity, and not just antient history modern history too and even up to the present day!

In my view I'd say Christianity is one of the bigger problems on the modern age although its been a scourge now for 2000 years.

The Corinthian · 30-08-2001 3:05pm

Originally posted by Yo Mamma:
Spirituality is the true message that Jesus was trying to relay. A one on one relationship with his father, our father...... Or what ever way u see it !

Was it? Depends which version of events you read and which version of events best condones your lifestyle. Black is white if you really want it to be.

I've always found the moral relativism applied to the divine a bit of an oxymoron.

”Do what thou wilt, that is the whole of the law”

/me chuckles.

Think about all the terrible occurences in history where men, woman and children were raped, killed and tortured in the name of Christianity, and not just antient history modern history too and even up to the present day!

Everything dies. You mourn individuals who would be long dead and dust now, regardless of how they met their end. You appear more concerned in laying blame for these strangers than anything else.

Most of the ‘the terrible occurrences’ of the last two centuries had nothing to do with Christianity, or religion for that matter. Should we condemn all faiths, philosophies or ideologies as tools for evil?

In my view I'd say Christianity is one of the bigger problems on the modern age although its been a scourge now for 2000 years.

A very white, middle class, Eurocentric viewpoint.

"Just because I'm evil doesn't mean I'm not nice." - Charlie Fulton

orangerooster · 30-08-2001 10:15pm

My answer would be yes i am i dont do nuthin for nobody except myself so i can keep up my two big hobbies games and games workshop so i work and i get paid even my car is free!sweet but my holiday cost me a bit so i put it down as a business trip and charged it to my company .i even shout at the homeless guy who lives under our office door i do give him cofee.So yes i am the problm with ireland today i have an easy job and im lazy and im a gamer.

dont open ... that door- resident evil 1

.ak · 30-08-2001 10:30pm

Are you a parasite on the back of society?

Yes, yes I am. I smile cruely at drunks on the ha'penny bridge... But then again...

[Denis]
I'm an a$$hole! A$$hole! Big fu*king a$$hole! A, S S, H O, L E! Everybody!
[/Denis]

-Dark-W4nker-Angel-

Von · 31-08-2001 1:57pm

If it'll make you all feel even more smug, meet me in town on Saturday for some Furious Tramp Stamping Fun. Join me during the week when we can tour dole offices and make the lazy and useless wear these t-shirts

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DEmeant0r · 31-08-2001 6:55pm

Originally posted by Yo Mamma:
Are you responsible for anything other than what YOU do and what YOU say? By this I am asking, as a human being on a planet with all these other fcuking morons, are you responsible for anyone but yourself?

I step over and around the homeless every day. They aren't all lazy *******s—some of them are genuinely unfortunate and need help. Is it your place to help them? Do you? Starving children and Sally Struthers and all that sh17t?

Is that your responsibility? There are a helluva lot of people on this planet and overpopulation seems inevitable. What then? Do you wonder about that, or do you figure you'll be dead before those kind of problems can affect your comfort level any more than they already do, so fcuk it?

Any of the other problems bother you? Global warming, pollution, disease, killer bees, Christianity? Do anything about them?

Just wondering ?

Why shouldn't we help those poor helpless, hungry children of the south? I mean they're as human as all of us and they deserve the to live and feed themselves with the proper equipment.

Digi_Tilmitt · 01-09-2001 9:16pm

Its the dam goverments fault, all they do is give grants to farmers! They should really get some kind of program to help poor misfortunate people. We should all help too buy giving money to charities and the people themselves. But a goverment program would help more cause it could bring the poor people to a self-sufficient level and they wouldn't rely on handouts.

But FF FG and The PD's only care about big business. Vote for the left-wing parties and help our poor people.

I'm a card captor........

Victor · 01-09-2001 10:00pm

Originally posted by Yo Mamma:
Are you a parasite on the back of society?

Haven't read the full post, but I probably am.

Kill, kill, kill the laser mice.

eof · 02-09-2001 12:20am

But FF FG and The PD's only care about big business. Vote for the left-wing parties and help our poor people.

Voting in the left-wing parties will not only help the poor people but will probably help you too.

To me and to many other people, voting left-wing isn't about helping the poor people, its about making the system fairer, evening up the balance so everybody gets a fair shot at life and trying to make sure that those who do well do well because they put the work in, rather than simply inherting ones position in society.

I just hate the way the right wing parties claim a monopoly on those who aren't working class, trading on the fact nobody likes to see themselves as poor.

Centre-left policies can often benefit the middle classes just as much if not more than the lower classes. I cite for example *free college fees*

scutchy · 03-09-2001 1:30pm

Originally posted by Yo Mamma:
Are you responsible for anything other than what YOU do and what YOU say? By this I am asking, as a human being on a planet with all these other fcuking morons, are you responsible for anyone but yourself?

I take responsability for my actions. To take responsability for the actions of another would border on the insane.

I step over and around the homeless every day. They aren't all lazy *******s—some of them are genuinely unfortunate and need help.

True, but that could be said about the homed as well, in fact your statement applies to every section of society.

Besides, what's wrong with being a lazy *******?

Is it your place to help them? Do you?

(1) no, it is their place to help themselves. (2) sometimes, when I feel like it. I generally give up on cabs on friday or saturday nights, that and burger money generally is enough for a hostel. I don't delude myself into thinking that's where it goes though...

Is that your responsibility? There are a helluva lot of people on this planet and overpopulation seems inevitable. What then? Do you wonder about that, or do you figure you'll be dead before those kind of problems can affect your comfort level any more than they already do, so fcuk it?

Nice rant you've got going here

que sera sera; I amn't really in a position to do much about overpopulation at the moment, unless you count the occasional tyrade against catholic missions.

Any of the other problems bother you? Global warming, pollution, disease, killer bees, Christianity? Do anything about them?

Global warming, pollution - I'm eco friendly, but don't delude myself into thinking I make a difference. It's big corporations and the american lifestyle that need to change.

disease, well, I'm healthy, I own a martial arts club that keeps other people healthy, I've taught resistance training and flexibility, which has helped some people with long term injuries. I'm not studying chemistry or anything though.

Killer bees - a problem? I got stung in the face by one, but that was because I was throwing stones at the hive. Stupid and disrespectful. The only ones that get stung are the ones that want to get stung; I've had bees walk over me for a half hour without any stinging.

Christianity - I dislike it when it discourages free thought or preaches dogma, that said, so do Christians I know. I tend to encourage free thought in my friends though.

scutchy · 03-09-2001 1:41pm

Originally posted by Yo Mamma:

I do give some change to the street-dwellers once in a while,

Story for you: I was in Stuttgart and saw a guy with a cardboard sign saying "Obdachslos. Ich komme aus Irland und brauche hilfe" (Homeless, from ireland and need help)

I gave him 10 marks (bit under a fiver) and got talking to the guy, and after about an hour offered to buy him dinner. He refused a while, said he didn't want to take all my money etc etc but eventually agreed. He showed me a great Chinese place that was cheaper than McDonalds, and served by the bucketload.

Due to the unplanned nature of my travels, I had no accommodation for that night (of the last 15 nights I've been in a hostel / hotel for 5) and this came up in conversation. He offered to let me stay at his place, and I accepted. (this is par for the course with me)

On the way back, he picked up a crate of beer, a bottle of irish whiskey and 14 cigars. We had a few cans in the park, talked some more, than hopped on a subway to the place he was staying.

I hit the sack about 3am, much the wizer about getting free accommodation, food, clothes and money. The only things he couldn't get in large quantities for free were cigars and booze.

Nice guy though, and an interesting experience.

I know that by helping others you set the stuff in motion for the world to help you...

I don't get you

scutchy · 03-09-2001 1:44pm

Originally posted by The Corinthian:
Addicts, be they junkies or alcoholics share this feeling of victimisation.

Only if they're unhappy being alcoholics or junkies...

scutchy · 03-09-2001 1:50pm

Originally posted by Jeff_Lebowski:
Yeah. But last time I checked there were quite some time back.

So Christianity is hardly a world problem today.

When last I read the tablet, there was a quote from the bishop of Uganda that went something along the lines of:

"I have never seen a condom. Nor have I ever touched one. But I do know that they're porus. Sperm can go through them, and when it does, you will get deformed babies."

I could also cite suicide statistics from young gays, or the destruction of other cultures and civilisations that is called missions.

Not to mention covering up and hiding child rapers.

I suppose it depends on your definition of Christianity, but if it is the actions of those who call themselves Christians, then it is a problem.

scutchy · 03-09-2001 2:11pm

Originally posted by Yo Mamma:
Jesus never called himself anything but the Son of God.

The way, the truth and the light for starters, gentle and lowly in heart, the god of abraham, the god of issac and the god of jacob... run a search in a bible site.

>>He never claimed any man-made faith.

What's a man-made faith? let's not forget though that he was a jew who founded his church on peter.

>>Christianity was created for Man by Man to associate with the teachings of Jesus.

I'd still say that Jesus starting the Christian church and making peter head of it points in another direction...

>>Spirituality is the true message that Jesus was trying to relay.

Seems to me to be an imminent end of the world, accept him as a god or suffer the concequences kinda thing, but I'm sure you have some scripture to back your point up.

>>I dont personally care for religion much myself and tend to lean towards the personal spiritual sort of thing!

OOC, ever read the bible?

>>Think about all the terrible occurences in history where men, woman and children were raped, killed and tortured in the name of Christianity, and not just antient history modern history too and even up to the present day!

Go forth and spread the good news and all that. It's a pity Jesus wasn't the son of God or he'd surely have put a bit more effort into arranging it so these things wouldn't happen.

Oh. Hang on...

scutchy · 03-09-2001 2:14pm

In answer to the original question:

Society is a parasite on my back

Digi_Tilmitt · 03-09-2001 7:50pm

Originally posted by eof:
Voting in the left-wing parties will not only help the poor people but will probably help you too.

Very True, the Moderate-Extreme Left wing parties would help the working class and the very poor.

Originally posted by eof:
Centre-left policies can often benefit the middle classes just as much if not more than the lower classes. I cite for example *free college fees*

I agree with this, I don't like the Labour party much cause they seem like just a less extreme version of FF, FG and the PD's.

Vote for the Socialist Party, The Workers Party, The Green Party or the Communnist Party to help the normal people of our society.

I'm a card captor........

TwoShedsJackson · 03-09-2001 7:59pm

On the way back, he picked up a crate of beer, a bottle of irish whiskey and 14 cigars. We had a few cans in the park, talked some more, than hopped on a subway to the place he was staying.

Wow he sounds really down on his luck

Are you a parasite on the back of society?

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