Dublin 2600 meet first Friday of each month

Cr8or

Dublin 2600 meet first Friday of each month.

The dublin 2600 meetings take place on the first Friday of each month @ 7.00 p.m and meet at the phone booths on Wicklow Street beside Tower Records and then straight on to the IFI (Irish Film Institute) upstairs, for food, drink and chat. If you are unfamiliar with the magazine 2600 it can be found in Tower Records on Wicklow Street.

Nobody sponsors these meetings - we meet to make new friends and the pursuit of knowledge. The meetings are open to all people from beginners to technology gurus. The meets are for people interested in computers, security, telecomm and communications. A friendly atmosphere is always present and attendees come from a wide variety of backgrounds and we welcome all newcomers. The dublin 2600 meetings are like those of the other organised meetings and can be found here.

There is no agenda at these meets, anything goes, if you were bored it's probably because you didn't make the effort and if you had a good time? we'll prob. see you then again next month


Http://www.dublin2600.org/

Cr8or

Can a mod please modify this post to read "Dublin 2600 meet first Friday of each month." it says "Dublin 2600 meet friday 7th (today)" at the mo :eek:

Gone West

just a quickie, what typical ages are the people that attend? Does anyone bring laptops or anything.

tck

average age is about 25 (youngest is about 17, i wouldn't dare to ask what the age of the older gentlemen/women are :P)

theres SO many laptops

dogs

Cr8or wrote:

Can a mod please modify this post to read "Dublin 2600 meet first Friday of each month." it says "Dublin 2600 meet friday 7th (today)" at the mo :eek:

Done.

All questions about the meets should be posted in this thread.

Capt'n Midnight

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tck

site change/update

www.2600.ie for local county meet groups / sites

http://dublin.2600.ie for dublin meets

OWASPIreland

Check out OWASP.org also for fun stuff and nice tools, bits and bobs and knickknacks!! and stuff and things and other stuff

r3nu4l

I'm assuming you are all white hats?

Capt'n Midnight

Ascii stupid question, get a stupid ansi :v:

scojones

I don't like hats.

r3nu4l

Of course, you are all white hats, yes I know...hacking only for knowledge as was the great Kevin Mitnick! Question, If you hack a red hat linux box, does that make you a red hat hacker? :rolleyes: But seriously folks...:D

Martyr

I'm gonna rant here.

But I REALLY dislike the terminology used by everyone in describing the "hacker" whatever that entails.

The main ones are "white", "black", "grey" & "blue" hat-hackers.
"script kiddie" "zero-day"..what else, "muppet"..the list could go on.
And most of the time, they are used by business-men at seminars about computer security..you see, they know a good business, but don't really know what they're talking about, so use these words to confuse people, into thinking they actually do.brilliant!!:v:

To me, someone who writes a computer "virus" is just a programmer who writes something that attempts to propagate itself onto other computers.

same for authors of malware..etc

not a "black hat" or any of that rubbish.

r3nu4l

There used to be a good discussion on the "hacker" terminology and "1337 5p34k" at www.hackthissite.com (before they redesigned the site) and believe me the folks at hackthissite are in no way businessmen They are political activists of the "take the streets back, people power" variety.

In my view, a hacker is more than just a programmer and not all hackers are virus-writers as you seem to imply.

I stress that these are simple definitions only of the following terms and that in reality the situation is more complicated:

Programer: Writes computer programs in any number of languages that perform a useful, useless or fun function. They learn about operating systems but are quite happy to leave them alone and use them solely as they were intended to be used.

White-hat: Uses programming and general computer OS knowledge to explore a program, application, website or OS. Sometimes a white-hat will gain entry to and alter the code of one of the pre-mentioned to perform a task other than was originally intended. This task will be benign, non-destructive and within the rules of law. The approach is, learn by doing. Many IT Security consultants descriobe themselves as white-hat hackers.

Black-Hat: Uses programming and general computer OS knowledge to explore a program, application or OS. A black-hat will gain entry to and alter one of the pre-mentioned to perform a task other than was originally intended. This task will usually be destructive, used to gain access to confidential data and outside the boundries of the rule of law. The approach is to learn but also to do harm.

Grey-Hat: As above except that the grey-hat approach is that you can do the wrong thing for the right reason e.g launching a dDOS attack on a child-porn site takes the site out of action, therefore good! However, this approach breaks the law and also forces the site owner to beef up security, move servers and still operate without being caught. The best approach ehre is to report such sites to the police.

Script kiddie: The lowest of the low, usually use other peoples code to perform attacks, most commonly website defacement and dDOS attacks. These people find something that works and use it again and again until the exploit is patched. They do not try to learn how the code works they just want to disrupt vulnerable machines.

Blue Hat: Interestingly Blue hat is now taken to mean those who attend Microsoft "try to hack Windows" challenges. A legitimate arena for those who want to attack Windows OS without getting jailed A long time ago this was a term applied to a special type of phone-phreaker (not long after the original 2600MHz hacks).

Zero-day: Not a type of hacker at all so should not have been in the list Average Joe!! Zero-day was/is a specific exploit found in IE (no surprise there) that allows complete control of a computer when the user visits a malicious website containing code to take advantage of the exploit. This was used by black-hats and script-kiddies mostly although some grey hats used it to take over dozens of machines and then send messages to the owners telling them to update their security. Their are still plenty of machines not protected against zero-day.

uber-hacker: Usually written without the umlaut over the u. These are well-known and well respected hackers who have contributed to the knowledge of the hacking world. They almost never refer to themselves in that way, knowing how sad that would be

Sorry for the long post but there are plenty of real hackers/crackers out there who still define themselves by these terms (usually the long-time hackers or the complete no-hopers who think it makes them look cool. Like any club the terminology grows...look at forum posters, after a while they all know what 'lol' and 'lmao' amongst others means!

All-in-all a hacker is just someone who loves computers and some use the knowledge just for their own pleasure, some for destruction and others for financial gain, some for all three

r3nu4l

So your keyboard is now covered in caffeine tinged snot What particular aspect of the quoted text caused such a calamity?

Capt'n Midnight

r3nu4l wrote:

I stress that these are simple definitions only of the following terms and that in reality the situation is more complicated:

Some hackers use soldering irons.
Some hack stuff that isn't PC related.

r3nu4l

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Some hackers use soldering irons.
Some hack stuff that isn't PC related.

Indeed, look at how people hack the iTrip to extend it's frequency range, the first hackers were, after all, phone freakers!

r3nu4l

bedlam wrote:

The whole thing, while the IE bug may have been 0day, Zero Day is not limited to a particular IE bug (which ever one you are refering to).

True, I phrased that rather badly (my apologies, trying to be too clever!) but as most bugs are zero day you can't merely describe a hacker as zero day, because they can still be categorised into one of the above classes and yes, it is usually, black hats, gray hats and script kiddies who jump on the zero day bandwagon!

Zero day protection mechanisms are becoming more effective but many (older) machines still don't have even basic protection against zero day type exploits.

Martyr

I wasn't trying to say "zero-day" was a hacker..just that i didn't like the terminology used to describe hacker-related subject.

r3nu4l

Well, I messed up on that response anyway, so I see how easy i is to misunderstand what has been written! My own pet-hate is leet speak, I use r3nu4l as my signature name as a form of satirical irony (r3nu4l = renual = mis-spelling of renewal). God, I'm such a wit!

Martyr

There is too much ambiguity with the words used to describe what each & everyone of us do with a computer, we're all different, & i would rather not categorise.
I just think its childish & boring & only serves as a distraction from the technical, REAL important aspects of computer security.

I didn't know what "zero-day" meant until i checked the linked definition in bedlam's message.

I can imagine what it must be like for the average computer user or business owner going to one of these computer security seminars, & being bombarded with all these obscure (childish) words never heard of before, all of course probably created by clever business men in order to describe simple concepts.

OK, the platform has changed, but the rules are still the same.
Someone who spys on your computer activity for profit is just a common criminal to me..not a "black hat" or "script kiddie" or whatever else could be used to describe them.

Because when you actually look at the technical content of presentations made by some of the security "experts" at seminars, if you're keeping up with current events in "underground" circles, you'll notice that the experts have simply plagiarised alot of "their work" & are just a bunch of smooth-talking hypocrits.

They get paid alot of money for talking alot of rubbish, & trying to put the fear of god into the unsuspecting attendees.
Convincing them that their business is under attack & threat by "hackers"..blah

Its kind of funny to me, because they make an obscene amount of money out of the people they call "hackers", the same "script kiddies" they describe as "low-lifes & wasters"

Well, WTF are they, the "experts"?

r3nu4l

Errm, it wasn't businessmen who first named people as white/black hat or whatever, these "childish" terms were first designed by the hackers themselves to differentiate the activities of one another.

I agree that the security consultant companies try to scare the life out of you to sell their products but there are plenty of free apps out there designed by security consultants/white hats (or whatever) in their spare time, for the thrill of it.

I'd love to discuss this further but we have already hijacked this thread and caused it to spill over another page. I might open up a thread elsewhere, or you can if you like??
Cheers,;)

Martyr

Fair enough, but the only i thing i would add, is to what you said..

Errm, it wasn't businessmen who first named people as white/black hat or whatever, these "childish" terms were first designed by the hackers themselves to differentiate the activities of one another.

This is just an opinion, unless you can name those "hackers" & what they did.

As i recall, it was mudge & weld from l0pht who first coined the term "grey hat" to describe themselves when asked the question "so, are you guys black or white hats"
L0phts answer was supposed to be a joke, not taken seriously.

however, its been used ever since.

r3nu4l

r3nu4l wrote:

I'd love to discuss this further but we have already hijacked this thread and caused it to spill over another page. I might open up a thread elsewhere, or you can if you like??
Cheers,;)

Did you not understand? :rolleyes:

Martyr

Nil.

ecksor

r3nu4l wrote:

I'd love to discuss this further but we have already hijacked this thread and caused it to spill over another page. I might open up a thread elsewhere, or you can if you like??
Cheers,;)

Well, if you make a throwaway one liner post that looked to this moderator like a troll, then follow up with a long post about definitions then you can hardly chastise anyone for thread hijacking I'm afraid.

These words are going to mean different things to different people in different contexts for a while.

r3nu4l

Hmmm, as you will see I am chastising myself as well (the words "we have" was the clue there :rolleyes: ) so I think I'm in a great position to do a bit of chastining. Perhaps as a moderator you could lock this thread? I agree that these terms will always be controversial but this thread has gone way off topic and isn't really adding any value so perhaps closing it is a good idea.

ecksor

The point is that "as a moderator" I would like you to do less thread spoiling and less armchair moderating. I don't see why I should lock this thread just because you've been fouling it up. I'll either delete the off-topic posts or move them to some other forum.

r3nu4l

By all means, do whatever you like, you are after all, the moderator. Thank you for your input.

nobodythere

If you people are going to the 2600 meetings I'm not comin

Would you be people stop fondling that fscking word. Do whatever you're gonna do with whatever motives you have and don't look for labels.

Anyone like to go back on topic?

r3nu4l

grasshopa wrote:

If you people are going to the 2600 meetings I'm not comin

Would you be people stop fondling that fscking word. Do whatever you're gonna do with whatever motives you have and don't look for labels.

Anyone like to go back on topic?

Hmmm, As you can see the last time anyone, including the mod, posted in this thread was 27th Jan!!! So I think you can safely say that we have all stopped "fondling" that word as you say, and moved on!

You need not worry, I won't be going to 2600 meetings, I live in Cambridge, bit too far for me to travel As you give your location as Galway I doubt you will be going to the Dublin 2600 meetings (that is the original point of this thread) either :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Slán.