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Are women getting more violent?
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04-07-2001 5:32pm#1
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well in all fairness ri-ra, you are talking about dublin women.. there are no other women in the country that are anyway near as violent as dublin women..
good point renton - if women want to be treated as exact equals then all these social taboo's need to be gotten rid of. So I'm off out to smack some women around
I have some theories about the hoopy ear-rings too but I probably shouldnt get into it...
ahh hell
Basically, stay away from women with HUGE hoopy earrings (specially in dublin). The bigger the hoops, the higher the rank therefore the more violent.
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The bogs?<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by androphobic:
Hmm well maybe you're sorta right but, from my experience, the vast majority of fights are still between guys. Then again, I live in the bogs.</font>
Please tell me you mean the slang for an area outside of Dublin, and not the slang for a toilet 0 -
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Very well put scrutchy.. After all, in some other species the female is the 'stronger', due to her protection of her young. However, men are generally better built, not due to society but because of the structure of a female body (post-puberty). Women do however have the advantage of grace () therefore making them better at methods of fighting for not as largely built people (ie. those of eastern arts).
Perhaps I should learn a martial art to defend myself, after all it's not entirely down to physical strength.
It's just a tail, but I'm sort of attached to it.
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Are women getting more violent?
I hope so baby RAAARRRR
(YEH I KNOW ITS UNPRODUCTIVE FUGGOFF
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Oh and renton you have a point but i think hittin women is still wrong unless in the case of the women scutchy hangs out with but the same point can be used in lots of other things.
Citer le Cordeaux "JennyRooba"
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What’s happened to all the pacifists?
Learning a martial art is all well and good but it's absolutely no use to you if someone has jumped you from behind and is holding you down.
I took up Kendo (I think
) when I was ten or eleven. On my first day one all the new people where taken off by one of the junior instructors. She happened to be female but that is off no relevance. She was teaching us basic blocks. After perfecting them against the air she then wanted to demonstrate so she asked me to throw a punch at her. I asked her was she sure, she replied yes. I was expecting to be thrown across the room as soon as I moved. I threw the punch and floored her. The head guy came running over to see what happened. I explained that the instructor asked me to hit her so I did. Of course I did not realise that I was meant to throw a slow motion punch at her. Now this did not sit right with me. Here was this girl a high belt I think purple. Who could not defend herself against a punch that she was expecting. How the hell was she meant to defend herself from an unexpected attack?
A lot of these martial arts work really well in practice or in competitions but if it does not help you in real life situations.
Join an athletics club and learn how to run faster. It’s the best solution in the majority of cases.
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Sounds good to me scutchy! I might show up. I'll be the scruffy looking guy with a gecko on my left arm.
John (yes THE John!)
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."
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Originally posted by JustHalf:
What is it you learn?
I did about 4 years TKD myself, (TKD Assoc of Ireland) but gave it up when I started college. I now train in Matsumuro Seito (an okinawan karate style) and recently started Aikido. (The two blend horribly) I've also dabbled in Muay Thai, Sport Karate, (bit of a laugh) western boxing (I sucked - too much to unlearn) and probably a few more as well 0 -
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Puck:
Sounds good to me scutchy! I might show up. I'll be the scruffy looking guy with a gecko on my left arm.
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Can you make it by 7 tonight? Or thursday? Same bat times next week if you can't 0 -
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You are either irredeemably stupid or consummately ignorant - should I flip a coin?
However, it amuses me to respond to your drivel in the hopes I will dispel some of the waffle you have made public.
Any serious martial artist I have talked to has always had the attitude that the best defense is to not get involved. Failing that, the next best option is to run away swiftly.
Yes mate. I STARTED a fight with four guys, making SURE one of them had a knife. Let's examine your options:
(1) Not get involved. I was walking my brother home. He was quite drunk. If I don't get involved, he doesn't see another birthday. Not an option.
(2) Run away. Well, they came for us in a car... how fast can you run?
I've avoided a hell of a lot more fights than I've been in.
I think you may also have missed the bit which said "a lot of martial arts".
I define a martial art as something that teaches you to fight well. I also acknowledge the existence of Martial Dances, Martial Sports, and Martial Spirituality / Healing.
Very few cater for drunks and junkies who are incapable of feeling pain due to substance abuse.
<sigh> Let's play the alphabet game, shall we? (Do they still teach that in kindergarten?)
Aikido: Introduce Mr Skull to Mr Concrete or Mr Wall. Break wrist, elbow and shoulder. Ditto to other arm.
Bare Knuckle Boxing: Beat them to death. Anyone who thinks the Guv'nor couldn’t have taken a few drunks deserves a kicking.
Capoeira: Lure them into a kick that removes their head from their body.
8 Drunken Immortals: Rip their throat off. (You TRAIN while drunk in this style)
Escrima: Cut their throat, stab to the heart...
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Goju Ryu: Let them hit you. Laugh. Headbutt them. Punch them once. Watch them fall over.
Hapkido. Put a few of their ribs through their lung. Mess their arm up with a throw.
Iaido: In about two seconds, draw your sword, open their torso and return it to it's scabbard.
Judo: Get 'em on the ground and break something
Jujitsu: Rip their throat off, remove their arms, gouge their eyes out...
Kickboxing: Tap them lightly in the face with your foot. Get the sh*t kicked out of you. (next post)
Lua: Break their bones, dislocate their joints. That's all this style does...
Matsumuro Seito: Turn off various parts of their body. Give them a herniated disk in their neck (fatal). Break their femur. Break their pelvis. Break their skull. Mess up their knees. Drop them on concrete. Follow them down. Break some more stuff.
Ninjitsu: Throw sharp pointy things at them until they're dead.
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Philippino Knife Fighting: Self-explanatory.
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Tae Kwon Do: Put a few of their ribs through their heart, destroy their legs, drop 'em on the ground, kick them in such a way that they land head first.
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Vale Tudo: Brazilian, means "Anything Goes". Not a style, more a rules system for sparring. Look into it...
Wado Ryu. Punch 'em once and watch 'em fall down.
You get one shot - do you drop him (break his leg for example), or just try hurting him. If you do the former, you can go to jail for excessive violence, especially if you throw the first blow. if you do the latter, you risk not putting him down and ending up with your ass handed to you.
The Irish legal system: He who wins the fight, goes to jail. A blackbelt was attacked by some bloke with a knife in Limerick - while the guy was struggling on the ground after losing the knife he hurt his own shoulder. Guess who won the court case? What's your point, by the way?
Remember...confident, c0cky, dead.
Take on four blokes... expect to die.
And now, on to Wu Shu, a dance form invented by the Chinese a couple of decades ago, designed to look good for demonstrations and on TV, as any halfway decent Wu Shu practitioner will tell you. Like Jet Li for instance - check out his site.
But anyway, back to your examples:
Centre guard - that's letting them hit you. It works if you've done conditioning, internal training, or are just plain hard.
Inner fist block - you... punch them. Nice block mate.
Break out and outer fist block - done properly, this is a forearm strike to someone else's arm, designed to put that limb out of commission.
Rising fist block and downward block - as above, but to a kick
Inner and downward fist block - ditto
Rising elbow block - it's an elbow
Downward inner fore arm block - hits a kicking leg
Open handed upper cross block - it's a grab for a knife defence, or an escape from a choke hold
Lower bridge hand parry - it's a parry
Deceptive hands - no idea what that is
Upper and lower palm blocks - palm heel strike to your opponent - not a block.
Rising wrist parry - it's a parry
Rising wing hand parry - it's a parry
Inner wrist parry - it's a... in future, I'm ignoring anything that says parry. They're obviously parries, and proof you're an idiot.
Outer palm heel parry
Hooking mantis parry
Rising, Outer, Inner and Downward parries
Snake hand parries
Double palm push - ... Am I alone in thinking this is a PUSH!!!?
My initial comment was a generalisation: Blocks I know: Muay Thai - use shin to block low kicks. Bare knuckle boxing: use forehead to block punches.
I would be very wary about calling Wu Shu a "McDojo" or a heap of ****e - its pretty shaggin dangerous.
No, it looks good on TV. It's what it's designed to do, and it does it very well. Read Jet Li's site mate, it isn't designed for combat.
For anyone who is not familiar with the syle, Ray Park (Darth Maul, The Toad in Xmen, Headless Horseman for ground fighting scenes) was on the British nation Wu Shu team, who are currently one of the best in the world. Large parts of the fighting style he uses in these movies are taken rdirectly from Wu Shu.
You just proved my point matey...
I would no more want Ray Park backing me up in a fight than I would Dr Carter fix my broken leg. An extreme example, but WU SHU IS FOR DEMONSTRATIONS, AND LOOKING GOOD ON TV! ACCEPT IT!
An ex-colleaguie used to train in Wu Shu with him. It is not a McDojo, and it sure as hell uses blocks.
It does what it sets out to very well, and practitioners can handle themselves in a fight, but the focus is on looking good.
I could also give you a list of a massive number of other martial arts which contain blocks, but I'll limit myself to one :
Or none, as the case is so far...
Pencak (sic) Silat (or just Silat for short) uses blocks and parries. AFAIK, it is almost unique amongst the martial arts in that there is no "sports" version of it - it remains a true combat-oriented fighting style.
Nice shot at spelling that mate... wanna try again? And I'll bet my firstborn you're confusing blocks with parries or forearm strikes.
So, scutchy, given that you were a bit scathing of someone elses uncertainty about their martial arts information, I think I will use your own words against you - you are talking thru your **** .
You can't be talking through your **** ... no human could hold that much shít.
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Hi mate, just wanted to correct a few assumptions on your part...
well from what I have read and seen (and learned a very small bit!), kick boxing is really the only "martial art" that would be good in a straight fighting situation.
There are two types of kick boxing:
(1) a style invented in the states by karate practitioners to get 'round insurance laws
(2) What we have here
What we have here is sport orientated. The goal is to tap (no power required) your opponent while wearing gloves and footpads above the waist. The ref will then stop the fight. You always spar in your weight division, there are no weapons, no multiple opponents, the fight never goes to the ground, there's no grappling, and if someone lands a decent hit, you get a breather. In my opinion, this training will not transfer very well to a real fight.
It's far more aggressive and essentially violent compared to the more art-like practises of Karate and so on (as someone said, very good in practice or in competitions).
As someone else said, care to explain that to the last four guys who fúcked with me It isn't violent if you aren't doing groin shots, leg shots, joint manipulation, groundfighting...
I saw a very good show on one the Discovery channels on martial arts (Discovery somethingorother), which showed how Tae Kwon Do as we know it today is split into two types - the original art of fighting type thing, and the modern thing you'll most likely see around.
Too true - a martial sport and a martial art. Those white skull guys were cool! They patrol the border in Korea - they aren't allowed shoot the Nth Korean soldiers for political reasons, so they challenge them to mortal combat. You don't get more realistic than that, and they do TKD, Mool Sool Do, Hapkido - traditional martial arts.
What was impressive is that if learned properly, it looked awesome. There were 10 year old kids that could do round-house kicks like Van Damme.
Van Damme sucks. The only fight he was ever in he got his a$s handed to him by a hell's angel. Watch his movies - there's no power in his kicks, and they're always big flashy efforts off the right leg.
as used by Bruce Lee (but then again, he was a master of just about everything).
No he wasn't He discarded massive chunks of styles that he couldn't immediately see a use for. His groundfighting wasn't great for a start. In fact, he never mastered a single style...
I suppose Judo would be best to avoid damaging someone in a fight, as it's about wrestling basically, and not an aggressive type of art.
Only if you're doing it horribly, horribly wrong. What happens if you dump someone on their head on concrete? Or break their arms? Quite damaging...
I think kick-boxing would be best if you actually want to know how to throw a good punch (a real punch), how to block and throw off a punch (most muggers throw slow punches I think, and are sloppy and very easily blocked if you see it done, you could learn how to throw a jab and block within around 5 mins).
(1) Kickboxers punch for speed, not for power. Look at a backfist for example. In fact, jabs aren't allowed in most competitions. (2) Blocks shouldn't exist. Theyre parries or forearm strikes taught badly.
Also, you would learn where to kick them,
above the waist, in accordance with the rules
Guy I know who did military service in Singapore for 2 years showed me how to block a knive, all very simple.
I've got a rubber knife - I guarantee that if what you're doing is a block, I'll be able to get it to your throat.
It also looks cooler as you can do the whole Tong Po thing from Blood Sport,
Wasn't Tong Po the Muay Thai guy from Kickboxer? (Note - 99% of that film was Muay Thai)
Damn long post... I'm getting brekkie...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Death Sentence:
jesus sutchy, are you a fÜcking master of martial art or did you copy it from a book fÜck sake, thats one monster post. good too.
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Entheusiastic amateur thanks mate.
Bonkey, I'll get back to you later. I realise I'm being agressive, but I do genuinely feel that martial arts are a matter of life and death, and false information about them is the equivalent of complicity in GBH.
You got me on blocks - they exist to a limited extent in some styles. I'll post later - busy at the moment.
And I of course acknowledge that training will not make you unstoppable. Probably should have mentioned that one
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by scutchy:
And I of course acknowledge that training will not make you unstoppable. Probably should have mentioned that one
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ahh, you are young grasshopper......
but you will learn.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bonkey:
You obviously have strong feelings about them, and know a fair bit. I just dont think agression lends any credence to the message you are trying to put across. If anything, it detracts from it.Originally posted by scutchy:
Bonkey, I'll get back to you later. I realise I'm being agressive, but I do genuinely feel that martial arts are a matter of life and death, and false information about them is the equivalent of complicity in GBH.
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Hmmm....maybe we should kick up (heheheh) a seperate thread for this one...
jc
Perhaps I'm a tad passionate about it I'll start a new thread on it.
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Scutchy I was not talking through me **** . You very very careful when quoting me to leave out (I think).
I did not reply to this thread looking to start a fight with you and I was giving my opinion on martial arts.
Block ok deflecting attacks punches wathever you want to call them.
I don't care what you think but running from a fight is always the best solution.
You really must have issues if your bragging about four muppets that you personaly managed to kick the crap out off.0 -
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I don't think I'll be in DCU this week. I've a bit of a cold which is why I'm hiding in DNC from the rain at the moment.
Oh wait... I think it's stopped!
John (yes THE John!)
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."0 -
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Originally posted by The FANJ:
Scutchy I was not talking through me **** . You very very careful when quoting me to leave out (I think).
I was attempting to imply that your experience in the martial arts was insufficient to give credence to the opinions you voiced. It was a personal attack and the easiest option; you have my apologies - I should have tried to make my point more politely.
I did not reply to this thread looking to start a fight with you and I was giving my opinion on martial arts.
If this refers to my offer to spar you dog brothers' rules, you should perhaps examine said rules:
"No judges, no referees, no trophies. One rule only Be friends at the end of the day. This means no one should spend the night in the hospital, and everyone should leave with the IQ that they came with."
According to these rules, I can lend you my battle axe if you want. You say martial arts aren't useful in real life situations - I offered you a relatively safe way to prove it. You can bring friends. You can bring blunt weapons. Hell, you can bring sharp pointy weapons or an Uzi if you like, as long as you stay within said rules.
(If anyone else is interested and has some prior training, I'm always willing to learn btw)
It was not meant in a threatening way, and I have no desire to fight you. I hang 'round with an eclectic bunch; such an invite is considered friendly. Perhaps I should spend more time in the real world. If I gave you the wrong impression, I apologise.
I don't care what you think but running from a fight is always the best solution.
Wrong I'm afraid.
Sometimes you have to drop them first.
Sometimes you should give them your money.
Sometimes it's a bad idea to resist rape.
Sometimes you have to run into a fight so your mates can get away.
Sometimes you have to die.
Sometimes you have to kill.
Please think. You are giving advice on life and death situations. Your advice is wrong. Why do you persist?
You really must have issues if your bragging about four muppets that you personaly managed to kick the crap out off.
All but one of them could move under their own power afterwards. (Quite fast in fact) I reported the incident, and judging by the fact that the cops never called back, they all made some semblance of a recovery. You said martial arts weren't of any use in real-life situations, I provided you with a real-life example. Would you have accepted anything less? I did not intend it as bragging. (If I was bragging, I'd post a pic of me doing the chair splits )
have you checked out www.sherdog.com yet btw?0 -
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Yes it has! (But I am not going to fix it) Sorry Lucy.
I did not mean a fight as in us going at it I meant an argument on these boards. Sorry when you type something it does not always come across as meant.
OK maybe when you are at a high level of expertise in martial arts, as you seem to be they will become useful in real life. From experience I have found that people do a self-defence course for a couple of weeks think they are great and it gives them a false sense of confidence. The possibility then is there that they get into a tough situation and they think they can deal with it so instead of making a run for it. They try take on an attacker this in my opinion will end in tears. The top martial artist have been doing it for years and I don’t think you can have a useable grasp of it in a few weeks or even a year.
I’d take you on in that dog brothers rules for the laugh if you really wanted, although I am pretty sure I would get my ass kicked.
You have to play me in a rugby match after how about that.
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I did not mean a fight as in us going at it I meant an argument on these boards. Sorry when you type something it does not always come across as meant.
Ah - I should probably read more carefully in future
From experience I have found that people do a self-defence course for a couple of weeks think they are great and it gives them a false sense of confidence.
I know - the McDojo concept again I've seen ads that made me want to hurl - "No intimidating men to practice against!" "Learn to fight in a non-contact manner!" "Aerobic Kickboxing <snip> good for self defence!" "Learn to fight from one of Ireland's top point sparrers!" While I'd agree that there are a lot of bad teachers out there, I feel the fault lies in the teacher, not the art.
The possibility then is there that they get into a tough situation and they think they can deal with it so instead of making a run for it.
You've heard of Tae Bo? Billy Blanks (the guy who teaches it) keeps on saying that it's not for self-defence, it's just exercise, and certain persons keep on thinking they can fight because they've kicked air a few times...
The top martial artist have been doing it for years and I don’t think you can have a useable grasp of it in a few weeks or even a year.
The timeframe can be rough - in Aikido for instance there's a throw called the 20 year throw - a reference to how long it takes to learn it. And Muay Thai, although a relatively uncomplicated art, isn't much good until you've conditioned your shins and forearms. And are built like a tank ;-)
That said, I've got a nice stone bruise on my chest that I picked up through 4 inches of a foam shield - I was teaching a beginner (female, no prior training, not particularly fit) the correct technique for a sidekick. When she started, she was falling over. It took a half hour I know she'll have forgotten most of it by next tuesday, and a sidekick isn't going to get you out of everything, plus I doubt she's got the mindset for a fight yet.
I give it two or three weeks to basic competence.
Styles that will get you to a reasonable fighting level quickly are: western boxing, wing chun, jeet kune do... inspiration lacking at the moment. Martial sciences usually claim high speed development, eg american combatives.
You have to play me in a rugby match after how about that.
A mate of mine used to play - got his nose broken 6 times in his life - 3 rugby, 1 bike, 1 MA and 1 car crash. I know a fair few martial artists (well, they think of themselves as such :P) who would loose horribly to rugby players Rugby is closer to full contact than a lot of MA clubs - sad really... 0 -
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