Rosary beads

Nightwish

im looking for somewhere to buy rosary beads that doesnt entail going into a church. anyone know anywhere in dublin?id like to get a set that are as long as possible.

Miles

Try here I don't think they are a church, or at least the shop is seperate:

SAINT MARTIN APOSTOLATE 42 PARNELL SQUARE DUBLIN 1

Shop linkie

Nightwish

thanks.Ill give them a try. Hope they aint preachy or anything!

Miles

I think by the time you are buying rosary beads they give you a free pass. Now I probably would not mention that they are just a fashion statement for an outfit.

vibrant

Don't really understand why on earth anyone would want to wear a symbol of something they're hinting at disliking... it's actually quite offensive... but for what it's worth try Veritas on Lower Abbey Street. See? I can talk out of both sides of my mouth too

Miles

Outside of beliefs I think it is a new fashion to wear rosary beads. I know the church is pissed off in the states about it.


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eth0_

I'm with you on that one, Vibrant.

Rozabeez

Just wait till communion season, they'll pop up everywhere, dunno why you'd wear them though, they're kinda evil feeling, mine are shoved under my bed or something.

vibrant

Miles wrote:

I think it is a new fashion to wear rosary beads.

Oh. I thought they were required for a Madonna-circa-1983 outfit. :cool:

Miles

Here is a news link on BBC:

Church upset



Church fears rosary fashion craze


David Beckham modelled a rosary for Vanity Fair magazine
A fashion craze for rosary beads has been criticised by the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales.
After pop star Britney Spears and England footballer David Beckham were both recently photographed wearing them, sales are booming across the UK.

So much so that the Catholic Church fears they are being trivialised and has issued a special leaflet that gives guidance on their use as prayer aids.

Yet one jeweller said they were now more and more seen as fashion items.


Prayer counters

Father Allen Morris, secretary of the Catholic Church's department for Christian life and worship, said that while rosary beads "look very nice...it is a great pity if they are only being used as a decoration and not for devotional purposes".


They are definitely very fashionable at the moment, and seen as a nice piece of jewellery, not just a religious item

Jeweller Aida Norman

He added that while such celebrities wearing rosary beads were "not doing wicked things and leading us astray, I am sorry that people are wearing them as fashion accessories and are not mindful of their religious significance".

The beads are traditionally used by Roman Catholics to count off prayers.

At jewellery store Aida in Ealing, London, owner Aida Norman said there had definitely been a surge in rosary bead sales over the last year.

Pretty designs

"They are definitely very fashionable at the moment, and seen as a nice piece of jewellery, not just a religious item," she said.

"I have always sold a great many of them around traditional confirmation time, such as May and June, but now they are selling very quickly throughout the year."

In past years the Roman Catholic Church has complained about celebrities such as Madonna, who is a lapsed Catholic, wearing crucifixes.

Father Morris noted that the rosary also bears a crucifix.

"It is a very odd thing to wear as a piece of decoration - the cross is an instrument of torture," he said.

"Why not wear an electric chair?"






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Miles

vibrant wrote:

Oh. I thought they were required for a Madonna-circa-1983 outfit. :cool:

I think I probably agree with you on that.

Rozabeez

So, do they wear them around their necks or on their wrists?

Miles

I think mostly around their necks, but long ones are preferred.

Miles

Miles wrote:

In past years the Roman Catholic Church has complained about celebrities such as Madonna, who is a lapsed Catholic, wearing crucifixes.

:cool:

There's a quote for you Vibrant.

Nightwish

i want rosary beads cos i think they look nice.not as a symbol of hate revenge anger or anything.the reason i dont wish to enter a church is cos i aint catholic.i think u jumped to conclusions a bit 2 quickly by thinking i was just another goth or pagan.i may be a goth but how do u know im not a christian too.who says i cant be both.
thank u again for your suggestions.sorry for the rant i just get a lot of **** from people for what i wear.

vibrant

Nightwish wrote:

i think u jumped to conclusions a bit 2 quickly by thinking i was just another goth or pagan

Did I miss something? Is Madonna a goth? I thought she was into the Kaballah now. Is Kaballah the "new goth"?

Miles

Nightwish wrote:

i want rosary beads cos i think they look nice.not as a symbol of hate revenge anger or anything.the reason i dont wish to enter a church is cos i aint catholic.i think u jumped to conclusions a bit 2 quickly by thinking i was just another goth or pagan.i may be a goth but how do u know im not a christian too.who says i cant be both.
thank u again for your suggestions.sorry for the rant i just get a lot of **** from people for what i wear.

Yea I now Nightwish, I think we were just chatting about the rosary bead fashion trend more than anything.

Rozabeez

Nightwish, I don't think anyone meant to offend you, I'm sorry if I did anyhoo.

Nightwish

its ok i get a little touchy sometimes

Lafortezza

Nightwish wrote:

its ok i get a little touchy sometimes

Yep, its part of being a goth...

meepmeep

River Island have them, I saw them in there the other day.

This was the one in Wateford but i'm sure the rest will have them as well

dudara

This isn't meant to cause offense to anyone, so apologies, but I hate the idea of wearing the rosary beads as a fashion item.

To a lot of people, they're precious. I know both my grandmothers couldn't be parted from theirs. They represent a lot to some people. So why debase them? It's as if you wore the Koran as a hat. Or decided to wear a Jewish prayer hat because it looked cool.

BTW, I'm not religious, but I think it's about having respect.

vibrant

Well said, dudara.

meepmeep

well i wouldn't wear them but then again im not catholic so they don't mean anything to me as such, but I can see why some people wouldn't like it.

But each to their own....

cajun_tiger

they have them on sale in metal morphis the crazy clothes part... i don't get the craze my self but hey what ever floats your boat

Nightwish

wheres metal morphis

cajun_tiger

TEMPLE BAR
its a piercing salon and its really cheep too

Nightwish

i know the place. thanks

simu

Rosary beads are in fashion???

Whatever next? Scapulars? (We used to get lots of these sent to us from my great-aunt who is a nun when we were small).



I have to agree with Dudara, though - you should only wear these things if you believe in the religion behind them. If you don't believe, long beaded necklaces should do the trick in terms of appearance.

Fysh

Well, on the one hand we shouldn't go out of our way to insult people's religious beliefs, but on the other hand...it's already been stated that Nightwish isn't a Catholic - why should she be required to not wear certain items because of this? [Off topic]I mean, these things are objects - in terms of the actual book concerned, that'd come perilously close to breaking one of the commandments - the important thing is the faith, not the trappings of faith. It's like saying a priest without a dog collar is just some bloke reading from a book[/Off topic]

But, if non-catholics aren't allowed to wear rosary beads, does this mean all those stellas and skangers who wear crosses around their necks shouldn't be allowed to?

I don't see what the big deal is; it's as if people were going out of their way to be insulted by something. I don't understand how, if I were catholic, someone wearing a religious symbol without being catholic would be personally insulting. It's not like they're going up to people and saying "nyer, I think your religion is a bit poo but I like this thing so I'm going to wear it". My gran would probably find it upsetting, but then again my gran finds it upsetting that they show Vicar Of Dibley and Father Ted, because she thinks they "make a mockery of the church". I don't get why people like to think that, in this context where nobody is actually approaching them or forcing them to acknowledge something, they have the right to not be offended.

Having said all that...I wouldn't wear one myself, because the symbol doesn't really do it for me. But if I found some other religious symbol or icon that I liked, I'd have no hesitation in wearing a picture of it, regardless of whether its adherents consider themselves to be insulted by this.

elivsvonchiaing

Fysh wrote:

Well, on the one hand we shouldn't go out of our way to insult people's religious beliefs, but on the other hand...it's already been stated that Nightwish isn't a Catholic - why should she be required to not wear certain items because of this? [Off topic]I mean, these things are objects - in terms of the actual book concerned, that'd come perilously close to breaking one of the commandments - the important thing is the faith, not the trappings of faith. It's like saying a priest without a dog collar is just some bloke reading from a book[/Off topic]

But, if non-catholics aren't allowed to wear rosary beads, does this mean all those stellas and skangers who wear crosses around their necks shouldn't be allowed to?

I don't see what the big deal is; it's as if people were going out of their way to be insulted by something. I don't understand how, if I were catholic, someone wearing a religious symbol without being catholic would be personally insulting. It's not like they're going up to people and saying "nyer, I think your religion is a bit poo but I like this thing so I'm going to wear it". My gran would probably find it upsetting, but then again my gran finds it upsetting that they show Vicar Of Dibley and Father Ted, because she thinks they "make a mockery of the church". I don't get why people like to think that, in this context where nobody is actually approaching them or forcing them to acknowledge something, they have the right to not be offended.

Having said all that...I wouldn't wear one myself, because the symbol doesn't really do it for me. But if I found some other religious symbol or icon that I liked, I'd have no hesitation in wearing a picture of it, regardless of whether its adherents consider themselves to be insulted by this.

Think in a nutshell - this is about having respect for older folks. I couldn't give a flying fúck if saw a bunch of goths wearing rosary beads each carrying a chalice up O'Connell street. Think it would upset the older generation though - think this is the way it should be:... by all means wear rosaries - just wait to to put them on when you get to where your going, i.e. pub (if its a young pub), nightclub etc.

Fysh

elivsvonchiaing wrote:

Think in a nutshell - this is about having respect for older folks. I couldn't give a flying fúck if saw a bunch of goths wearing rosary beads each carrying a chalice up O'Connell street. Think it would upset the older generation though - think this is the way it should be:... by all means wear rosaries - just wait to to put them on when you get to where your going, i.e. pub (if its a young pub), nightclub etc.

If I were to "respect" everything the older generation thinks, I'd be required to spend a significant amount of time badmouthing things which I like or agree with rather than staying silent, so as to not make my granny feel that she doesn't understand me. Besides which, when we're talking about not upsetting the older generation's clinging to an institution rife with unpunished paedophiles, I'm not going to have much sympathy. I don't understand or have time for this notion that someone's personal conduct or style of dress can be insulting to someone without it being in any way directed at them - what this sounds like is just old people bitching that "things aren't like they were in my day" and the fact that they don't have the authoritah to make everyone do as they say. Back in their day homosexuality was illegal, among other things - I don't see any reason to pretend to respect that when I don't actually, and I don't see why someone should be expected to do so if they don't want to.

elivsvonchiaing

Fysh wrote:

If I were to "respect" everything the older generation thinks, I'd be required to spend a significant amount of time badmouthing things which I like or agree with rather than staying silent, so as to not make my granny feel that she doesn't understand me. Besides which, when we're talking about not upsetting the older generation's clinging to an institution rife with unpunished paedophiles, I'm not going to have much sympathy. I don't understand or have time for this notion that someone's personal conduct or style of dress can be insulting to someone without it being in any way directed at them - what this sounds like is just old people bitching that "things aren't like they were in my day" and the fact that they don't have the authoritah to make everyone do as they say. Back in their day homosexuality was illegal, among other things - I don't see any reason to pretend to respect that when I don't actually, and I don't see why someone should be expected to do so if they don't want to.

...Just this- if your gran can deal with it - fine! Not sure everyone's gran can deal with it! There is no reason to respect what the older generation thinks - I do feel the need to respect how they feel - even if it means hiding your full identity from them!

I am glad my granny died before the paedophile priest fiasco broke. 'Twould have given misery in her last years.

I've tortured my Ma with this fiasco on several occassions when I've been on the sauce and wish I could take it back - life is too short for regrets!

Despite that I've argued that with my Ma about homosexuality - it's ok for lesbians - as there's no mention in the bible Just want to expand her mindset.

If your gran is only 60 or so - go for it - but leave it out if she's older I reckon - (just a rule of thumb)

Nightwish

im sorry to have started this whole debate. but yeah i do think rosary beads look good. to me they do have a symbolic meaning, just not the same meaning as catholics (saying the rosary). i dont feel i'd be offending anyone with them. how would anyone catholic or not, know my reasons for wearing them. if anyone immediately assumed i was wearing them for the same reason david beckham wears them, then they are guilty of passing judgement, where they have know right to pass judgement. mydress sense has never ever offended any of the so called "older" generation. its the people of my own generation that slag me, and make comments.

Fysh

With my gran in particular I wouldn't go out of my way to bring things up, but I think she's finally noticed the way that when certain subjects come up and she's involved in the conversation, I change from my usual chatty self to being strangely quiet...the reason being, much as I love my nan, the main thing stopping me at least bringing up the discussion is the fact that, were anything to happen to her (god forbid), I'd get an unending world of grief from the family for "upsetting her". Because clearly whatever happened to her would be directly related to whatever I said. :rolleyes:

That said....I dont see why my personal appearance has to be subject to the approval of others. Certainly not in my case - at age 22 and paying my way, I'll dress how I damn well like (or at least in my free time, although my current job is fairly relaxed about that, which is nice). My normal reaction to family trying to start telling me how to do things is to start spending less time with them, and after a while they get the hint. (In case you're wondering, I've tried the actually-talking-to-them-to-sort-stuff-out approach, and it usually gets me nowhere).

elivsvonchiaing

Fysh wrote:

That said....I dont see why my personal appearance has to be subject to the approval of others. Certainly not in my case - at age 22 and paying my way, I'll dress how I damn well like (or at least in my free time, although my current job is fairly relaxed about that, which is nice). My normal reaction to family trying to start telling me how to do things is to start spending less time with them, and after a while they get the hint. (In case you're wondering, I've tried the actually-talking-to-them-to-sort-stuff-out approach, and it usually gets me nowhere).

You have to admit that Goths wearing rosary beads would be offensive to many old people though! Likewise resurrectionist punks - anyone in an Elvis costume - 'scuse the pun!

[EDIT] I betray my age here but suspect this is just a Goth thing... :eek: [/EDIT]

Kappar

I haven't read this entire thread so forgive me if someone else has said it. But there are many styles of rosery beads in River Island on Grafton street beside the register on the second floor.

Fysh

elivsvonchiaing wrote:

You have to admit that Goths wearing rosary beads would be offensive to many old people though! Likewise resurrectionist punks - anyone in an Elvis costume - 'scuse the pun!

[EDIT] I betray my age here but suspect this is just a Goth thing... :eek: [/EDIT]

This is just the thing I don't get - hardcore gangsta rappers who rap about shooting n*ggas and how many ho's they've got don't get criticised if they have big gold blinging crosses dangling from their neck; what's different about goths wearing rosary beads? Besides which - if someone finds my appearance "offensive" it's their problem, not mine. I'm not willing to self-edit (Apart from obvious things like tshirts with obscenities or whatever) just because someone might find something offensive. I mean, boards is proof enough that somewhere, there's someone who'll find just about anything offensive or worthy of a "down with that sort of thing"...

elivsvonchiaing

Fysh wrote:

This is just the thing I don't get - hardcore gangsta rappers who rap about shooting n*ggas and how many ho's they've got don't get criticised if they have big gold blinging crosses dangling from their neck; what's different about goths wearing rosary beads? Besides which - if someone finds my appearance "offensive" it's their problem, not mine. I'm not willing to self-edit (Apart from obvious things like tshirts with obscenities or whatever) just because someone might find something offensive. I mean, boards is proof enough that somewhere, there's someone who'll find just about anything offensive or worthy of a "down with that sort of thing"...

Goths don't usually carry Uzi's, Mach-10's "I have no problem with your rosary-beads Sir!" Is what I think is the appropriate response to a gangsta!

Just don't be in the old folks faces is all I'm saying here...