Extraterestrial life?

SHADOW · 26-04-2001 12:59pm #1

Do you believe in it??
Does it exist?

Personally I think that the universe is a bit big for us to think that its all ours....

What do you think?

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azezil · 26-04-2001 1:09pm

do i believe there's life out there other than our own...yes!

do i believe in 'the grays' no, i don't believe in any of that abduction nonsence, roswell etc.

i also don't believe laois exists!

hee hee

"just because ur not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after u!"

Megatron · 26-04-2001 1:11pm

yeah .. a big place like the universe !!!
and i keep bumping into people i know from dublin in london/milan ... personally i think there is a big sign out side our solor systems that say
" do no feed 3rd planet, enter at your own risk"
cus lets face it we send out soooo much stuff out into space and if anything found it they'd defo not touch us !!

No !!!!! I will crush you with my Bare hands

logic1 · 26-04-2001 1:12pm

Yeah all of us guys have em sure ffs...
oh wait.. sorry thought the topic said something about testicles...

.logic.

JustHalf · 26-04-2001 1:15pm

Originally posted by azezil:
i also don't believe laois exists! hee hee

Ah come on, the universe is a bit big for there to be NO Laois at all.

It rained in San Francisco Wednesday evening, but the penguins were
still there Thursday morning, smiling broadly.

Evil Phil · 26-04-2001 1:15pm

Yep, it must be there, maybe as plants or something. There's probably intelligent life forms out there somewhere (cos there's bugger all down here on earth

)I don't think they're visiting us though. And they certainly are not conspiring with the CIA (ffs).

Shamans tell tales of being visited by intelligent life-forces when in a trance state, and that these life-forces serve as guides. When in the trance the shaman enters another dimension where he can converse with these beings, and gains wisdom from them. Seems more plausible to me than little green men in flying saucers.

Excelsior · 26-04-2001 1:25pm

There is a large area of space, to say the least, where alien life could exist.
However there is absolutely no evidence for or against such an occurence.

As a result, I am with-holding judgement.

The conspiracy stuff is bunkum though.

My Adolescent website:
http://www.iol.net/~mullent

Shiminay · 26-04-2001 1:42pm

Always surrounded in controversy, eh Excel?

Anyway, I think it's fair to assume there's got to be more to it than us.

All the best,

Dav
@B^)

Prepare yourself - The Beefy King stirs from his slumber...

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Magwitch · 26-04-2001 1:42pm

There is a very high likleyhood that there is alien life in some form. But given the age of the universe millions of civilisations could have risen and fallen or died out by the time we come on the scene. I am not so sure we will ever find intelligent life, though some day we might find evidence it once existed (like laois).

Keep your powder dry and your pants moist

Excelsior · 26-04-2001 1:56pm

Actually it is not controversial. There logically isn't a high liklihood. The size of space is not an indicator of more life.

I just see it as an ambivalent situation where there is negligble evidence on both sides.

The conspiracy thing might be controversial now in retrospect.

My Adolescent website:
http://www.iol.net/~mullent

Shiminay · 26-04-2001 2:09pm

Originally posted by Excelsior:
Actually it is not controversial. There logically isn't a high liklihood. The size of space is not an indicator of more life.

heh - I know mate - just messin' with you

While we're talking, (and please don't think I'm having a go, but you're probably the best man for this question)...
Could you imagine God as an alien being/race that did create us?

It's far reaching, I know, but when it comes down to it, it's as un-believable as anything else, innit?

All the best,

Dav
@B^)

Prepare yourself - The Beefy King stirs from his slumber...

[url="http://http:clanhitk.warfactory.com"][honey i] violated [the kids][/url]

azezil · 26-04-2001 2:41pm

Originally posted by Kharn:
Could you imagine God as an alien being/race that did create us?

*cough* Star Trek (TNG) episode *cough*

"just because ur not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after u!"

azezil · 26-04-2001 2:42pm

no i don't think the universe is big enough for laois to exist... i say its noting more than an old wife's tale

"just because ur not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after u!"

gandalf · 26-04-2001 2:45pm

Of course there are aliens !!!

I remember seeing DeVore after he got his Beard shaved off at Dublan ........freaky

Gandalf.

Excelsior · 26-04-2001 3:28pm

Kharn, I don't think people want me to hijack this thread an examine boring minutae of obscure theology.

And the question you asked would require and in depth answer. I could tell you in about 2 minutes, writing it on a UBB board is a different story.

My Adolescent website:
http://www.iol.net/~mullent

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Canaboid · 26-04-2001 3:53pm

Damn you Kharn. That was the point I was going to make in the oblivian thread.
God = Extra-terrestrial, Higher being, Creator.
Aliens = Extra-terrestrial, Higher beings, Creator ?

I just don't see the difference. The Alien being as creator makes more sense and doesn't require any bulls1t blind faith. Just a bit of (lacking) proof.

azezil · 26-04-2001 4:41pm

Originally posted by Canaboid:
Damn you Kharn. That was the point I was going to make in the oblivian thread.
God = Extra-terrestrial, Higher being, Creator.
Aliens = Extra-terrestrial, Higher beings, Creator ?

I just don't see the difference. The Alien being as creator makes more sense and doesn't require any bulls1t blind faith. Just a bit of (lacking) proof.

ok thats offically the stupidest thing i'v ever read...

more proof of alien influence in our lives than god... some one like to get this guy a bible! or directions to the millions of churches throughtout the world!!!

"just because ur not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after u!"

mewso · 26-04-2001 4:52pm

Of course if you have proof that aliens exist then you don't need to ask the question anymore. i.e. I know that extraterestial life exists. They are already living among us. Many of them are on the council housing list.

azezil · 26-04-2001 4:59pm

Originally posted by musician:
Of course if you have proof that aliens exist then you don't need to ask the question anymore. i.e. I know that extraterestial life exists. They are already living among us. Many of them are on the council housing list.

thank you that get the lamest joke every award!

"just because ur not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after u!"

Blitzkrieger · 26-04-2001 5:03pm

As I understand it the lastest therioes flying around NASA and the rest of the xenobiological world are that there almost defintly is alien life, and probably some intelligent alien life, but the odds of us encountering it are miniscule. If we ever do meet/make contact with aliens it is most likely to be with robots/computers, that they sent out.

GreenHell · 26-04-2001 5:16pm

Do aliens think there alien or in some strange twist of fate thing themselves human....

Excelsior · 26-04-2001 5:18pm

Where is that proof Blitz?
Why would scientists think such a thing?

My Adolescent website:
http://www.iol.net/~mullent

Paladin · 26-04-2001 5:26pm

They are already living among us. Many of them are on the council housing list.

LOL
Good one muso.

As for the question, I believe the wellies are too intelligent to be from earth Neil. You know its the truth!

--Kaiser-- · 26-04-2001 5:33pm

Originally posted by azezil:
ok thats offically the stupidest thing i'v ever read...

more proof of alien influence in our lives than god... some one like to get this guy a bible! or directions to the millions of churches throughtout the world!!!

The fact that there are religions all over the world in no way proves there is a god....there is some flaw in humans which makes crazy people make up crap, and for the gullible to believe them

plastic membrane · 26-04-2001 6:16pm

I think its wierd that all the aliens visiting this planet always seem to only be seen or abducted by rednecks. Its a disturbing thought, extra-terrestial life out there, and all it turns out to be is Billy Bob-The 3 Eyed Pus Monster alien redneck..

Seriously, some of the theories out there are completely deranged. There's something out there alright, but until i see it with my own eyes, i remain a open-minded sceptic..

Damn it Jim, im a doctor, not a Beefy King !

azezil · 26-04-2001 6:36pm

Originally posted by --Kaiser--:

The fact that there are religions all over the world in no way proves there is a god....there is some flaw in humans which makes crazy people make up crap, and for the gullible to believe them

i don't believe in god myself i was just sayin there's more evidence to suggest that there is then there is for aliens... on earth ne way!

"just because ur not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after u!"

Shinji · 26-04-2001 7:26pm

I believe that there is intelligent life out there other than our own; in fact, I suspect that once we get out of our cradle, we'll find that the universe is teeming with it.

I'm undecided as to whether humanity has had contact with alien spacefaring races in the past; there isn't enough evidence either way, so I refuse to toss my hat in the ring over this one... But I wouldn't be surprised if it had happened.

The concept of humanity being seeded on this planet by an alien race 60 million years after the dominant (reptilian) species was wiped out in a freak accident is a fascinating one indeed....

Mills · 26-04-2001 7:47pm

I'd say there probably is some form of alien life out there somewhere, but who's to say what it's like or whether we'll ever find it, for all we know life on other planes could be more primitive than our own, and in that case it's going to be pretty hard to find them unless someone stumbles upon them. I think space exploration has a long way to go still.....

Canaboid · 26-04-2001 7:47pm

Originally posted by azezil:

more proof of alien influence in our lives than god... some one like to get this guy a bible! or directions to the millions of churches throughtout the world!!!

And where did I say there was more proof of Aliens than God ? A simple reply and quote will do.
I don't know of any proof of either. I'm just saying one is slightly less ridiculous than the other to my mind.

Nice use of exclamation marks btw. Really drives the point home.

azezil · 27-04-2001 9:26am

Originally posted by Canaboid:

Nice use of exclamation marks btw. Really drives the point home.

why thank u! lol

oh i was just in a bad mood last nite when i posted that

"just because ur not paraniod, doesn't mean they're not after u!"

TwoShedsJackson · 27-04-2001 10:22am

There's as much proof of the exsistence of aliens as there is for the exsistence of God: none.

Given the fact that we roughly know the size of the universe and the number of stars, planets etc. therein, it seems somewhat more likely to me that aliens may exsist.

Excelsior · 27-04-2001 12:08pm

But size of environment alone (space) is not evidence or even a pointer to the existence of life.
Open minded ambivalent sceptic I am.

My Adolescent website:
http://www.iol.net/~mullent

SickBoy · 27-04-2001 12:59pm

I know you didn't say that its size is infinite but all scientists are aware of is what there capable of being aware of. They say the universe is constantly expanding because they are constantly developing new methods of exploring space. I'm sure there is life out there in the infinite boundaries of what we call the universe.

SickBoy · 27-04-2001 11:01pm

Originally posted by Castor Troy:
Given the fact that we roughly know the size of the universe and the number of stars, planets etc. therein, it seems somewhat more likely to me that aliens may exsist.

And the size of the universe is what then? roughly X square miles?

To say we know the size of the universe to be infinite is totally like having no idea whatsoever of its size.

TwoShedsJackson · 27-04-2001 11:19pm

And I didn't say that the universe is infinite, did I? Scientists have estimated the size, and it is known to be expanding constantly.

Manach · 28-04-2001 12:29pm

Intelligent life IMHO may not be too likely because,
a/ The moon being so large is unusual , for it is important to drive evolution especially in respect to biodiversity in the tidal zones.
b/ The Palaeontologist Stephen Gould likens intelligent life forming to an extreme random event. Evolution does not progress to one point (i.e. mankind) and if events of the Precambrian(multicellular life) were re-run an entirely new fauna couuld have emerged if any at all.
c/ If the Universe does teem with intelligent life as proposed by the Drake equations, they should have colonised this planet a long while ago,.
Of course if any of ye indicate otherwise in the From part of your profiles I might have to change my opinion

Paladin · 28-04-2001 1:04pm

The moon being so large is unusual?

You mean large like approx. the same size as phobos and diomos large, or Titan, sone few hundred times largER large?

There are, I think, 19 moons around saturn and 14 around jupiter. Nothing unusual about moons, so whats unusual about earths moon?

SHADOW · 28-04-2001 4:14pm

One of the main reasons I started this thread was because I wanted to compare peoples reactions as to the difference between belief in god and in alien life.

i.e. If they believed in God, then did they believe in Aliens.

There is no conclusive proof for either really so is it not off the wall (from a purly logical basis) to say that you believe in god but not in aliens?

I wouldnt buy into the whole life on earth being seeds planeted by aliens theory without more argument, but it does seem possible that Jesus Christ was in fact an alien who was preceived to be a god in certain ways...
Or at least, is it any less possible than that he was in fact who he claimed to be?

neuro-praxis · 28-04-2001 4:54pm

All my old UFO books, during my brief obsession with the issue, had that idea in them.

Ah how I yearn for the days when i was unashamed to read those tabloid hardbacks.

Give me back my towel. I'll sue.

Trojan · 28-04-2001 5:17pm

Just look at the number of stars.

100% of the systems we know well have life... anyone who says there couldn't be another is just plain stupid.

Al.

Clintons Cat · 28-04-2001 5:23pm

life on other planets... yes
life on other planets that visit us cut up cows and do tests on hicks...no

Didnt roswell turn out to be a stealth fighter base or somesuch?

Manach · 29-04-2001 6:35pm

Hi Paladin
Just a quick explanation about what I meant about the moon (mostly remembered from an essay by Asimov)
The moons diameter is about 2000 miles and is 1/81 the mass of Earth. This does not seem such but is very large compared to other moon

lanet ratios (i.e. Io is a the nearest in size to the Moon in the solar system & share a similar distance to their primary. But because Jupiter is so massive, Io has very little tidal effect).
The most probable explanation for the Moon's origin is a collision which impacted the Earth during to coalescence of the Solar System causing debris to be ejected which eventually collected to form the moon.
I have no figures as to what chance of this happening are in other systems but astronomers believe it to be rare.

Paladin · 29-04-2001 7:04pm

Oooh right.
Relatively (to the earth) large.
Now I get it

mrblue · 29-04-2001 7:58pm

I'm with Douglas Adams on this one.

Cricket is the reason that all the peoples of the universe shun this little blue/green globe.

*Oh no, not again*

JustHalf · 29-04-2001 10:28pm

Originally posted by Clintons Cat:
Didnt roswell turn out to be a stealth fighter base or somesuch?

Roswell turned out to be a lot of things... weather balloon, a device involved in nuclear tests (to measure something or other) and a parachute test. Frankly, I don't know what truth to believe.

It rained in San Francisco Wednesday evening, but the penguins were
still there Thursday morning, smiling broadly.

JustHalf · 29-04-2001 10:32pm

It does have to be said though, we have a planet zooming round an average star in an altogether forgetable corner of the galaxy.

Or am I just lacking sufficient levels of caffeine to think?

It rained in San Francisco Wednesday evening, but the penguins were
still there Thursday morning, smiling broadly.

Bob the Unlucky Octopus · 30-04-2001 1:20am

Now here's an interesting tidbit for skeptics like Excel et. al...roughly 4 years ago- a probability simulator was run by SETI, testing the size, probability development factors etc. of the average electrochemical startup event (what began life on Earth in all reasonable possibility)- in other words, the likelihood that there was alien life in the universe. The answer was surprising even to the believers- the range was between 4.2 x 10^6 and 9.3 x 10^7 alien species at least as intelligent as us. While a probability estimation isn't proof by scientific standards, it more than meets the mathematical requirement for standard error, so the idea must be taken seriously(after all this model hasn't ever been proven wrong- this would be a first if it was wrong

The problem with aliens contacting Earth is an astonishingly simple one. Even assuming we somehow circumvent the speed of light- it is practically impossible to detect life on a planet without very close inspection. 3 years ago, a standard Ulysses-probe clone was flown about 870 thousand kilometers above the Earth on a fly-by pass(in space terms this distance is astonishingly tiny). Guess what traces of life the probe found on Earth? None. The Van Allen radiation belts coupled with the planetary magnetic field rendered most of the probe's sensory output useless. Solar flares also did a fine job of scrambling the on-board electronics.

So short of landing on and exploring every planet in the known universe the 4-70 million species of intelligent life are just going to have to bide their time- and to be honest- I would be in no great hurry to meet the human race if I was one of said species.

Bob the Unlucky Octopus
=Carpe Diem=

--Kaiser-- · 30-04-2001 8:44am

Scew looking for intelligent life up there, i have a hard enough time finding it here.

SHADOW · 30-04-2001 3:25pm

Originally posted by Bob the Unlucky Octopus:

Short of landing on and exploring every planet in the known universe the 4-70 million species of intelligent life are just going to have to bide their time- and to be honest- I would be in no great hurry to meet the human race if I was one of said species.

B]

Bob - I think that you have based that argument on one flawed assumption. We have no idea what level of technology an alien race would have. Just because our technology cant read life from space doesnt mean that theirs couldnt. I mean we cant break the speed of light which would (if in theory they did exist) most probably be essential for them to reach us in the first place.

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Yossarian · 30-04-2001 4:30pm

Originally posted by Clintons Cat:

Didnt roswell turn out to be a stealth fighter base or somesuch?

Area 51 is where the Stealth Fighter/Bomber was developed. Also known as the Skunk Works,
its basically the R&D base for Lockhead Martin.

Also some UFO observations are of a flying triangular shaped craft, can be attributed to the Stealth Bomber.

SHADOW · 30-04-2001 5:00pm

Originally posted by Yossarian:
Area 51 is where the Stealth Fighter/Bomber was developed. Also known as the Skunk Works,
its basically the R&D base for Lockhead Martin.

Actually I think that you will find that Area 51 is actually a secret American Military test base. Its where all their "classified" projects are researched. They have an enormous area of desert there in Arizona, that is fenced off and classed as a Restricted Area. It is where they developed the Stealth bomber, which (amongst other projects) was probably mistaken in its test flights for some sort of UFO.

Altho how I really am not sure, seeing as its a huge black v shaped plane with cloaked exhausts and no outside lights.

If the bottom falls out of your world, drink Andrews and the world will fall out of your bottom!!
games?

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