Scientology- the belief system of the STARS!!!

Excelsior

Who has walked down Middle Abbey St and been approached for a free personality test?
I never go in because I have heard dodgy, cultish things about their practices.
But through the wonder of the internet you can now do the test online at:
http://www.scientology.org/oca.html

The only thing right with my personality at the moment, according to them, is my level of responsibilty.
Everything else requires URGENT (expensive) work right away!

TwoShedsJackson

I find Scientology ridiculous, then again I find all organised religious belief systems ridiculous.

Having said that, I beleive it was you who got upset recently when your faith as a Christian was derided Excelsior, so perhaps you shouldn't be scorning another religion that you personally regard as a 'cult'?

Hobbes

The test is bull****. It's designed to give you a bad answer. Even if you get every question correct they will stay something is wrong with you.

Excelsior

I don't think there are going to be many people who can argue the validity of Scientology as a church Castor.

Its posted up purely as a link.
If I offend anyone then they are more easily offended than even I am rumoured to be.
But I will apologise, of course to anyone who is hurt through my posting of the link.
I love the Oxford Capacity Analysis bit. It lends it such an air of credibility.

(edited for spelling)


[This message has been edited by Excelsior (edited 16-03-2001).]

Venom

The only truth to any religion is that they are all set up to make money for a select few.

The fact that scienctology is considered more of a joke that the other religions in the world is because L.Ron Hubbard made the whole religion up in a Sci Fi novel and a bunch of gobsh!tes deceided to worship its princables in the so called real world.

But the again look at the Bible.Its been edited or had chapters rewritten by or on the behalf of various different Popes and the less said about the current pope the better

I consider all religions nothinf more than money making rackets to rip off the foolish but Scienctology is just a complete p!sstake.

The so called religion that was in the second and above Dune books has as much credability as sciencetology,and comes in a much nicer cover than the bible

Canaboid

Those 200 questions can be summed up thusly:

1. Are you insecure ?
2. Are you bad at managing money ?

If both are yes then we want you.

Kali

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Venom:
I consider all religions nothinf more than money making rackets to rip off the foolish but Scienctology is just a complete p!sstake.</font>

then unfortunaly you've got the wrong idea of religion.
perhaps you should take a look at Buddhism or Hinduism where practicing doesnt mean digging into your pockets

Hobbes

Actually I got nabbed by them too and I hadn't a clue who they were until I went back the second time.

First some cute girl asks do I want to take a free test, so I say yes thinking it's out on the street job but walks off into a building without so much as follow me. So not being rude I bop on in.

I do the test with some other guy in the suit oppisite me doing it as well.

After being kept waiting longer then expected she starts talking about "So do you have any problems in life?" I go "No", she goes "Are you sure?" I go "Yep thanks" and we get this run around over and over on various different things. Then she goes would you be intrested in a book called Dianetics, meanwhile I'm trying to leave because it's a pain in the ass having to wait, so hoping I can leave go "yea" pay 5 bucks for a book and leave telling them I can't wait for the results of the test.

Oh yea, she said "Have you heard of Dianetics", all I could think of was that muppet Dinosaur program where they had TV advert in it "Dino-netics, the secrets of selling books". So I said that, and she wasn't too impressed.

I read the book overnight and noticed there were two chapter 11's (no idea why). So as I was dropping by the next day I went in and said the book had two chapter 11's and I want a new one. She walks off to a couple of other people and says (I hope not realising I can hear) "This idiot actually read the book and wants a fixed one". So I got my book and sitting there and she is "So you really read the book?" and I go "Yes". She doesn't believe I read it in one night, so she asks any bits I remember. So I start going on about how her interragation technique is very similar to in one chapter (even found the page for her, because it was very cult like) and that how we were seated and how she was asking questions the certain way matched exactly what was in the book. She was a bit shocked with that. Then we also got into a staring contest (if a person lies they can't stare you in the eye or something). I won that game too. (I had something nicer to look at )

She wanders off to get some guyto read my test for me. It's about now I see way up top near the ceiling a scientology poster and realise who they are.

The guy comes and he tells me that I hate people and he can help solve my problem with how I hate people with some special courses and would I like to sign up now. Something about water purification which sounded ok except for the last paragraph which claimed the course would protect you against radiation poisoning (always handy if we are nuked). I laughed and say no thanks and left.

But yea, I can see if you were anyway insecure they would go to town on that. I would recommend staying away from them. Cults are dangerous and despite what you think the most stable of people are the easiest to grab.

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Winning Hand

LOL hobbes .
I can picture her face as you tell her there's 2 chapter elevens

"This one goes up to eleven, twice"

Clintons Cat

hobbes,just a guess but i bet cold callers just love you

loved the story

Void

Christ, I'd love to meet a Scientologist some day.

Check this out:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/ot8b.html

Slashdot.org just got threatened with legal action because someone posted that text. Hopefully posting a link won't get boards.ie in trouble (yes....the Church of Scientology is THAT bloodthirsty).

Read it, come to the obvious conclusion... Then laugh.

I knew Scientology was some silly cult but I had NO idea how silly until I read their "training manuals".

That link points to a Dutch website, because of a courtcase in the Netherlands, the material is classed as evidence, and as such, is publicly available. Even so, the Scientologists have thrown truckloads of lawyers at whoever runs that website, luckily to no avail.

Clintons Cat

anyone know the pics ro**en have got of a forensic examination of a scientologist who allegedly was taken for reprogramming after expressing a desire to leave the church.
No charges were pressed because of lack of evidence or something.i havent posted a link
cause the pics require a strong stomach.heres a quick cut and paste

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">December 5, 1995, Lisa McPherson entered a Florida hospital dead on arrival, after an extended "stay" at the Church of Scientology's Fort Harrison Religious Retreat. We will not state an opinion of the nature of her 17 day visit except to say that it does not seem to have been all that conducive to her health.
In response to the CoS's claims that McPherson was voluntarily held at the Church's facilities, the prosecutor wrote this http://video.rotten.com/elron/mccabe.html (250k)]http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/ot8b.html(250k)[/URL] rather interesting document. But view the photos to see for yourself. The case was dismissed June 12, 2000 because "presentation of the Medical Examiner's current testimony to a jury will create a reasonable doubt on crucial forensic issues".

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Hobbes

Actually they are banned in Germany. In fact one version of windows had to have portions of it removed in Germany because a company run by them created the code.

Canaboid

I'll stick with the movemetarions.

"Look Marge a leader bean"

Manach

Firstly, in defense of Hubbard, he wrote some of the most OTT science-fiction novels that'd one would read just to see what unlikely thing happens next. If he didn't invent Scientology, it's members would still be buying lotto tickets and watching Celebrity Big Brother.

2ndy, I personally would like to opt-out off paying taxes to the government, or at least have some control over where my money is spent. But I don't think that they have net-access in jail . I think the Church might have gone a tad overboard with the granting of indulgences in the 16th Century but I'm sure that the Sistine Chapel more than makes up for any minor little upsets caused.

3rd The bible has been created over time, parts added /dropped / rewritten but the message still is basically unaltered. (Just to be clear, I don't know what that message is.) The present Pope, whom I admire, grew up experiencing first hand the excesses of Nazi & Soviet government types. Perhaps he is trying to clearly distinguish the Church's own universal moral code.

4th Finally, Dune: Great book, so-so film. I am happy to say that the Bene Gesserit are alive and well in HR depts all over the country.

Stephen

The Scientologists sure love courtrooms.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/17677.html

Blitzkrieger

The sad part is (insert break for beer extraction ) people do fall for it. I don't want to get into all the cult/Christianity stuff (again ) but isn't it obiovious that's it's just a bunch of chants and weird rituals designed to take the money of fools?

SheroN

Classic story hobbes.....

DeVore

I would just LOVE the scientologists to have a go at boards.ie.

Ever since they shut down the anonymiser in Finland with heavy handed court action and police kicking in doors I've been opposed to them.

Besides Boards Ltd has no cash, no employees and no assets except the site, which they couldnt keep going after a lawsuit!!
Sueing us would be like punching yourself in the face repeatedly! Painful and ultimately achieves nothing.

DeVore.

Hobbes

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Manach:
Firstly, in defense of Hubbard, he wrote some of the most OTT science-fiction novels that'd one would read just to see what unlikely thing happens next</font>

Yea like in "Battlefield Earth" where the thing your wondering about next is if you can find a sharp stick to poke your eyes out with.

btw, there was a urban legand that Hubbard created his religion as a bet. Funny enough Snopes.com used to have details on this including so called proof that it wasn't true and was told to remove the page by the scientologists.

DeVore

PS: in case I wasnt clear: Scientologists are a bunch of whacked out loonies that I highly recommend you do nothing with except laugh near.

DeVore.

yossarin

You'd think that a SF writer could have a few more space battles in his religion.

Clintons Cat

heh
i want more Rocket Telephones and Shiny Winged Helmets in any Cult I jOin,maybe ron will write one for me and yoss

Maybe we should compile a list of things we want to see in "ScientologyII the Forgoten Chapters And Bits In Between"

1 Space Battles
2 Rocket Telephones
3 Shiny Winged Helmets

want anything else included ?

pat kenny

If we were invading another country, would you feel sympathetic towards conscientious objectors in this country?
What the **** is that supposed to mean?


and out of interest who is making all the money is it one guy or loads of top guys/women in the thing.

After looking at them money grabbing ba$tards
the jahovas witnesses that call to your door dont seem so bad.

Blitzkrieger

lol, classic

Void

So then....
Here's that TOP SECRET Scientolomogist scripture! If boards.ie get any nasty letters then we may have a traitor in our midst.

By the time you read this I will no longer be occupying the body and identity
that you have known as Ron.  That identity continues to live in the hearts and
minds of many as well as in on-Source tech and admin centers around the planet,
and will inspire for years to come Scientologists and lovers of truth everywhere.

What follows is a story that has been withheld, for reasons which will soon be
obvious, until such time as there were enough OTs that something could be done
about it.  That time is now.  It is not a nice or a pretty story, but I trust
that having arrived on the OT VIII Course you are ready to hear it.  You have
undoubtedly heard pieces of data over the years that hinted at the greater
untold reality of my mission here on Earth, but the story was never written,
nor spoken, in its entirety due to security problems that have unfortunately
always plagued the organization.  It is only now that I feel it safe to release
the information, although the time is rapidly approaching when I will have no
choice in the matter, the hour draws that near.

I am not going to delve too deeply into specifics as people have a tendency to
bog themselves down in significance, which would only serve to delay the
immediacy of the task at hand.  Therefore I will be brief.

Some eighty-odd million years ago Earth time (it actually dates at 78,395,042
but dates are a bit superfluous with this material) plans were drawn by a
group outside the MEST universe for the eventual takeover of a good portion of
this universe.  Not a particularly large nor imaginative crew, their exterior
perspective, however, gives them considerable advantage over tho time-bound
beings of the MEST universe.  Borrowing from earlier operations such as
Helatrobus, they conceived an ongoing implant, some portions of which have been
fairly faithfully rendered in parts of the Bible.  This implant, laid in by
carefully controlled genetic mutation at Incident Two of OT III and
periodically reinforced by controlled historic events since then, makes it
effectively impossible for beings on the more heavily affected planets such as
Earth to become free.  It causes progressive genetic "evolution" that gives the
subject population greater and greater susceptibility to the telepathic
impingement and direction of the controllers.  In its final stage the
progression becomes almost geometric, and it is this final stage that we are
rapidly approaching.

               (0129)


Another aspect of this GE-line implant is that the body becomes in effect a
sort of theta trap that kicks in heavily on the being should he attempt to
expand his horizons beyond that of pure physical universe reality.  There can
be temporary key-outs which we have all experienced in varying degrees, but
until this area is handled it can honestly be said that there is no hope for
continued expansion.  The good news is that once this is run out.  Expansion
becomes rather effortless and almost automatic.

No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where
various events are predicted.  Also mentioned is a brief period of time in
which an arch-enemy of Christ, referred to as the anti-Christ, will reign and
his opinions will have sway.  All this makes for very fantastic, entertaining
reading but there is truth in it.  This anti-Christ represents the forces of
Lucifer (literally, the "light bearers" or "light bringer"), Lucifer being a
mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment, the Galactic
Confederacy.  My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise
represented by this brief anti-Christ period.  During this period there is a
fleeting opportunity for the whole scenario to be effectively derailed, which
would make it impossible for the mass Marcabian landing (Second Coming) to take
place.  The Second Coming is designed, among other things, to trigger a rapid
series of destructive events.

With the exception of the original Buddhism, virtually all religions of any
consequence on this planet, mono- and pantheistic alike, have been instruments
to speed the progress of this "evolution of consciousness" and bring about the
eventual enslavement of mankind.  As you know, Siddhartha Gautama never claimed
to be anything more than a man.  Having caught on to this operation, he
postulated his own return as Metteyya, part of which prophecy will have been
fulfilled upon the passing of L. Ron Hubbard.

For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the
opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths.  For instance, the historic
Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be.  In addition
to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of
temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and
other typical Marcab PR.  You have only to look at the history his teachings
inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man
still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting.

It is a good joke that the Galactic Confederacy is associated with the Serpent
in the Garden, the beast and other emissaries of the "Prince of Darkness".  Yet
in certain passages and esoteric interpretations of the Bible (much of which
has been taken out and effectively suppressed for centuries) as well as the
Cabbalah, the truth reveals itself quite nicely for the clever and the
ungullible.

So it really is a race against time and one that we happen to be losing at the
moment, as the implant drama inexorably plays itself out in spite of the
breakneck pace I've managed to keep up these last thirty-five years.

I had an inkling, but only that, of the insidiousness of this material as far
back as 1945.  Later, in charcteristic over-optimism, I thought that R6 would
be the end of it.  But that was followed by NOTs and the Purification Rundown
and still the string continued to unwind with the ball at the end of it just
out of sight.  It makes ons wonder about such things as fate and destiny, such

                     (0130)


was the resolve with which I managed to cling to that string, not often knowing
how close I was to falling into the abyss myself, but destiny is merely the
rationalization of feeble minds.  Things don't just happen, they are caused.
And causative beings can undo the plans of madmen and would-be enslavers, no
matter how long those plans may have been in the making.

I will soon leave this world only to return and complete my mission with
another identity.  Although I long to stretch my arms back in repose on some
distant star in some distant galaxy, it appears that is one dream that will
have to wait.  But my return depends on people like you doing these materials
thoroughly and completely so that there will be a genetically uncontaminated
body for me to pick up and resume where I left off.  A body free of religious
mania, right/wrong dichotomy and synthetic karma.  The job ahead is far too
tough to even contemplate doing with your standard -- courtesy of certain
other-dimensional players and their Marcab pieces, many of whom are right here
in the general populace -- genetically altered body.

Without the biogenetic meddling of those who stand outside time (who cannot yet
directly influence our world and must work through others) the dwindling spiral
is not nearly as automatic and self-perpetuating as it appears.  There are
regions even in isolated parts of the Milky Way where poets are free to poet
and magicians can paint reality with their magic wands and exteriorize without
body kickback.  But these areas unfortunately are fewer and fewer.

I will return not as a religious leader but a political one.  That happens to
be the requisite beingness for the task at hand.  I will not be known to most
of you, my activities misunderstood by many, yet along with your constant
effort in the theta band I will effectively postpone and then halt a series of
events designed to make happy slaves of us all.

So there you have it.  The secret that I have kept close to my chest all these
years.  Now you too are part of this secret and I no longer have to shoulder
the burden alone or live with the possibility of body death before all the data
could be released.  And with this briefing I entrust to each of you the
responsibility for this material until such time as I am able to return.  For
we have no help from any other quarter in this matter.  The handful of secret
societies throughout history that have caught on to this game have long since
fallen by the wayside or been taken over and become instruments of the very
menace they were set up to combat.

The rundown is long and can be arduous, but it must be done thoroughly if there
is to be any effect not only on the body of the pre-OT but the body of his or
her progeny as well.  There is some danger, but with OT VII thoroughly complete
it is not nearly so great as the danger witnessed by assorted unfortunates who
happened to stumble into this area in their sleep or in moments of reverie or
anaten, experiencing an hitherto mysterious phenomenon known as "spontaneous
combustion".

CAUTION:  DO NOT BE PTS WHILE TRAVERSING THIS THIRD AND FINAL WALL OF FIRE

But the area is well charted, the rundown many years in secret development, and
by the time you read this undoubtedly completed on myself.  The wins awaiting
you are like none that you have ever experienced, not just for you, but for
your children, your children's children and the whole of mankind, if we
succeed.  And we will.  If we had time we should pity the many poor souls, from

                    (0131)


1950 to PT, who chose such an exactly inopportune moment to drop off the road
to truth and disconnect from reality, the full burst and glory of OT
practically within their grasp.  But we haven't the time to "wax philosophic"
or ponder might have beens.

The rundown follows.  Again I say, do it thoroughly and completely, for it is
your ticket to the stars.  And beyond!

                                                  L. RON HUBBARD
                                                  FOUNDER

       LRH:lrh
       Copyright (c) 1980
       by L. Ron Hubbard
       ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

Blitzkrieger

lol - the Jahovas don't come knocking around our way anymore after our neighbour and the infamous hurley incident

"Up ya Jahova!"

That might sort out the scientoligists too

Hobbes

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blitzkrieger:
lol - the Jahovas don't come knocking around our way anymore </font>

heh heh. Actually a friend of mine got stopped in town years ago asking if he wanted to go to a prayer meeting. He told he wasn't intrested but his mother would love to go and gave them her address.

They dropped around to her the following day and they were standing at the front door for over an hour (she wouldn't let them in, but wouldn't let them go). It was a war to see who could convert who as she's a died hard catholic.

So they ask if she would be intrested in a load of prayer tapes. She said yes, took them and they left. She didn't listen to them, she taped all the local radio songs on them to listen to.

About a week later they came back and said if she wanted to keep the tapes she would have to buy them. So she gave them back. I can imagine it now "Jahova said I should listen to the red hot sounds of sunshine 101".

Canaboid

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DeVore:
I would just LOVE the scientologists to have a go at boards.ie.

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Spendid, I've mailed them the link

Evil Phil

I accepted a free personality test from the lovely scientologists. It pretty much consisted of a lot of waiting around then answering a couple of hundred questions. Actually about 3 dozen questions rephrased several times.

When I had finished my answers were taken away for analysis, more waiting around until finally the guy came back to give me the results. At this point I was taken into a little cubicle with uniform walls floor and ceiling. There was one strip light and a tiny window, covered over with a sheet of paper. If your familiar with interrogation techniques you'll get the picture. This guy then went on to tell that I was a very unhappy selfish person with generic examples of how I was selfish. I wanted more money in my job, I wanted my family to understand me etc. That I didn't like people(!) and pretty much went on like this for about 10 minutes. It was a very caustic review of yours truly. His body language was also very oppressive, I got the impression he was trained to do this as when I started using the same body language he started to lose control of the situation. Basically the whole thing, from my point of view, was designed to make you feel small and insecure so they could sell their book, and maybe press-gang you into joining up. They offered both options.

I said no

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The people who vote decide nothing. The people who count the vote decide everything.

- Joseph Stalin

Koopa

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In additionto being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts oftemper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding andother typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his teachingsinspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet manstill clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting
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haha, i dont believe any of that jesus crap, but how did these people find out jesus was a homosexual and hated everyone? do they have a direct link to jesus's brain? how is this a 'historical fact'

i got bored reading halfway through that, so far everything ive seen of scientologists is that their propaganda-crap is written by people who arent the most intelligent around, "not the brightest bulbs on the front porch", etc (most colourful crayons in the box, tallest trees in the wood, etc)

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amp

hmmmm I've always thought that there was something more to Scientology than a cult. It's too big and too well organised.

One theory I have is that El Ron was copying the idea from the early part of Asimovs Foundations series - using religion as a mask for another purpose.

I'd become a Scientologist for week (this week I am mostly worshipping Gaia) only I can't afford it

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Lunacy Abounds! GLminesweeper RO><ORS!
art is everything and of course nothing and possibly also a sausage

mewso

I'll reiterate what was said earlier in this post. A long time ago I remember reading that L Ron had a bet with Arthur C. Clarke, apparently they were friends, that he could start a cult. This was before they gained the power that they now appear to possess. Kind of figures that a story like that would go away once the group is big enough to quosh it.
I remember reading a good article on Scientologists and about Tom Cruise. Apparently the woman who leaked that he was a member was excommunicated for it. Bad enough but even worse as this meant she could never speak to or see her husband and children again. When asked for comment from Tom as to whether he supported this punishment he issued a comment about his belief in scientology etc. and refused to address the question.
As much as organised religions of this kind and in particular powerful ones disgust me I am somewhat comforted by the thought that they all believe in a Sci-Fi novel written by L Ron for a bet.

OmegaDude

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by musician:
I'll reiterate what was said earlier in this post. A long time ago I remember reading that L Ron had a bet with Arthur C. Clarke, apparently they were friends, that he could start a cult.
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As much as organised religions of this kind and in particular powerful ones disgust me I am somewhat comforted by the thought that they all believe in a Sci-Fi novel written by L Ron for a bet.</font>

Emmm As i can recall Sciencetology has never appeared in a fiction book written by L Ron. (being a sad git who has actually read some of his stuff. in some of his books he has "slagged" off other methods of working with the brain.

also i am not sure it was a bet, Hubbard appeared at a meeting of Sci fi authors in New York(i heard this one from Harry Harrison who was there) and explained all about scientology...and they all thought this was a great idea....untill they thought about it. however i don't think it was a bet.

scutchy

Originally posted by Excelsior:
I never go in because I have heard dodgy, cultish things about their practices.

Come on mate, you're hardly insecure in your beliefs ;-)

Geoff here btw, Andy's athiest amoralist martial artist mate. Nice board you've got here ;-)