People who commit suicide

dendenz

Its Xmas and New Year and again someone has committed suicide up my way. This time its a bloke of 38 yo. To be honest I have no sympathy for anyone like that, you get one shot at life and to do a cowardly act like that proves your not a man in the first place. If you have problems sort them. I understand my views are contrvesial and indeed some people may have lost loved ones due to suicide but I firmly believe what I believe. I have not one shred of sympathy for the person in question, their family yes but not them.

Tusky

dendenz wrote:

Its Xmas and New Year and again someone has committed suicide up my way. This time its a bloke of 38 yo. To be honest I have no sympathy for anyone like that, you get one shot at life and to do a cowardly act like that proves your not a man in the first place. If you have problems sort them. I understand my views are contrvesial and indeed some people may have lost loved ones due to suicide but I firmly believe what I believe. I have not one shred of sympathy for the person in question, their family yes but not them.

I agree to a point. You have to have soem compassion though and try to imagine what they must have been feeling and thinking in their head to decide to kill themselves...

joe.

It is very easy to say that. But it wouldn't be an easy choice. Just try to think of the things the person must have been going through to commit suicide.

dendenz

Themselves, they have a problem, they should talk about them. I have to admit that men arent brought up to talk about their problems, I was as my mother brought me up that way but a lot of men dont and they are the ones most risk from suicide. They think of themselves at a time they kill themmselves, not family or friends.

RobertFoster

dendenz wrote:

Its Xmas and New Year and again someone has committed suicide up my way. This time its a bloke of 38 yo. To be honest I have no sympathy for anyone like that, you get one shot at life and to do a cowardly act like that proves your not a man in the first place. If you have problems sort them. I understand my views are contrvesial and indeed some people may have lost loved ones due to suicide but I firmly believe what I believe. I have not one shred of sympathy for the person in question, their family yes but not them.

seriously though, why do you care enough to actully talk about it?

pickarooney

He's hoping to annoy people and get attention again, I suspect.

Hobbes

Its very easy to say that. It is a different situation when your the person in question. People commit suicide for many reasons, many of those reasons can be seen as trivial by others (or them if they take the time to sit down on it for a while).

Rather then telling people they have no balls, a better solution is to understand what drove that person to suicide and also learn what the warning signs are so you could potencially stop someone from committing suicide.

For example do you know what to say to a person who has just told they are going to commit suicide to determine if they need help or not?

If someone you know says they plan to commit suicide the first question you should ask them is "How do you plan to do it?".

The reason being if the person is serious they would of already planned this and may give you an answer like "I bought drugs to overdose" or "I have the rope bought to hang myself".

If you get that answer then you should treat it as a medical emergency. Get them to a psychiatrist (either hospital or local doctor will help).

Jim

You can't judge them. You might know their situation, but your not going through it yourself.

I don't think people who commit suicide (I'm talking about people who genuinly want to end their lives) are looking for your sympathy.

koneko

Troll, clearly. Either that or he's completely ignorant and has no sympathy for people suffering from complete mental torture.

mycroft

dendenz wrote:

Themselves, they have a problem, they should talk about them. I have to admit that men arent brought up to talk about their problems, I was as my mother brought me up that way but a lot of men dont and they are the ones most risk from suicide. They think of themselves at a time they kill themmselves, not family or friends.

Once again dendenz proves he has the humanity compassion and empathy of a toilet. Seriously mate are you one of Mc Dowells foot soldiers or did mammy just not let you breast feed enough?

Trojan

From AH.

Jim

Probably better in Humanities Troj.

Meh, too late.

JackKelly

yea, how could someone feel so bad that they couldnt just talk it out.
Im sure (i havent first hand experience) that its not that easy when you are suicidal to just "talk to someone about it".jees

goin'_to_the_PS

not everyones life is as perfect as yours denz :rolleyes:

pickarooney

Bets on this thread's next port of call:

Recycle Bin - 4/1
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Beruthiel

this is not a personal issue for the thread starter, whos ignorance is astounding....

off to Humanities
B

Gordon

Bru should have betted on that.

Dendenz, I think you should subscribe to boards so that you can have a journal to express your ideas.

Beruthiel

Beruthiel wrote:

this is not a personal issue for the thread starter, whos ignorance is astounding....

off to Humanities
B

This is where I miss the rep system.
I was either going to quote Hobbes post as the one I totally agree(I do) or yours Beruthiel.
Hobbes has said mostly what I would have said

I chose Beruthiels post to quote as I too think the thread starters ignorance is astounding.

therecklessone

pickarooney wrote:

Bets on this thread's next port of call:

Recycle Bin - 4/1
Humanites - 7/2
Cuckoo's Nest - 6/1
Back to AH - 14/1
Politics - 25/1

Bets on who's putting dendenz on their ignore list:

Me - 2/5

Actually, close that book, its a dead cert.

Capt'n Midnight

dendenz wrote:

To be honest I have no sympathy for anyone like that, you get one shot at life and to do a cowardly act like that proves your not a man in the first place. If you have problems sort them.

"that proves your not a man" Huh ?
Look at northern England during the years of Thacherism, suidice rate went way up, and it wasn't just nancy boys. Similarily climate has an infuence too cf. "SAD". It can be induced in some animals by overcrowding.

Suicide is just a permenant solution to a temporary problem.

An extension of your views could be like saying that anyone who can't make it to hospital by themselves shouldn't be treated, because they obviously don't like life enough to make the effort.

logonapr

Accept that a person taking their life is in great mental torment but still feel that where there is family it is a very selfish act

shelly04

dendenz thats clearly a horrible thing to say. you cant judge people... its not fair, have you any idea how that person must be feeling? thinking that people hate them so much or that they are so worthless and they dont deserve to live? you say your mum brought you up to talk about your feelings.. well i reckon its a pity she didnt bring you up to consider other peoples too. :mad:

combs

Please make this the last post in this thread. Mods, why don't you lock it? It's trolling.

Karl Hungus

I'd like to kill myself just to piss off whingey jerks like you, dendenz.

Of course, I'm not going to do that, because there's a lot more whingey jerks I can piss off by staying alive.

dendenz

Is there a ban on talking about sensitive issues? I just hold my belief after what I have seen I went through cancer this year and survived, I thought **** what sort of quality of life have I got and then I realised a very good one. Dont get me wrong I am hardly a life coach but I realised how much life is worth, its there to be enjoyed. Why does God waste it by giving it to some plank who hangs himself from a tree? Well fair enough let them hang themselves, we are probably better off without them. I hold my point of view and stick by it. Call me an arsehole, call me what you want.

BTW If no one has anything constructive to say fu<k off, accusations of being a troll are hardly contributing to this thread are they?

To Timay, I unsderstand we all have problems indeed we are all human but whats so bad that you cant talk about it? Honestly...

Captn Midnight, thats wrong, anyone who wants to go to hospital wants to live, not die! I think you should use another metaphor to describe what you mean.

Shelley when someone is alive and they are down in the dumps they have a lot of my sympathy, its only when they top themselves without consideration for others that I take my harsh stance.

Mercury_Tilt

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DublinWriter

dendenz wrote:

Its Xmas and New Year and again someone has committed suicide up my way. This time its a bloke of 38 yo. To be honest I have no sympathy for anyone like that, you get one shot at life and to do a cowardly act like that proves your not a man in the first place

Tell you what Dude, step up to the stump and take a shot at having a mental illness yourself.

I do agree that suicide is a very selfish act, but until you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes then you really have no right to preach or judge.

We have one of the highest rates of suicide in this country in terms of the European norm. About twice as many people died from suicide as from car related fatalities here year on year and what do the government do about it? SFA.

I really wish the government had put the same energy and resources in tackling young male suicides as they did the Penelty Point System. It still reamins a huge problem here that we brush under the carpet through the whole stigma of mental illness.

Mercury_Tilt

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dendenz

Dublin Writer I will be honest, I dont know what its like to have a mental illness but then again not all people who kill themselves are mental patients? I tell you what gives me the right to talk about this, the fact I have an opinion.
I am giving an honest opinion (which may or may not be wrong) on what I think of suicide.

I am MAN

denzdenz this post and the post you started "People who do drugs should be shot" are the most ingorant posts i've ever seen in my life.

dendenz

And there is no explanation as to why you think its ignorant? I think thats ignorance on your part pal...

goin'_to_the_PS

you can't have an opinion on something you know nothing about. Now thats a FACT

dendenz

Are the majority of suicide victims alive to argue their corner?

shelly04

but can you imagine how confused/scared/out of touch a suicidal person is feeling? that nobody understands them? or tells them to get over something that might seem trivial to others but very upsetting/important to others.. i suppose what im trying to say, yeah its selfish to an extent but its not fair to judge them like that.

goin'_to_the_PS

dendenz wrote:

Are the majority of suicide victims alive to argue their corner?

THATS THE MOST STUPID COME BACK EVER.

Paddy20

Suicide; The intentional killing of oneself. from the oxford English referance dictionary.

Personally,Imho it is tragic ugly fact of life that people choose this way to die, and it is their right to choose.

Euthanasia, is more common than ever as well, for those suffering terminal illness, yet some people who believe they have the right to judge others, believe that is also just another form of suicide.

I sympathise with those who commit suicide, and I sympathise with those who are left behind, asking why ?..but I would never condemn any individual who has taken their own life.


P.

dendenz

The fact of the matter is everyone has a point of view, you dont have to experience something to give an opinion on something.I know people who have lost loved ones due to suicide, and when I was 14/15 in school (I am 22 now) I felt suicidal due to bullying. I have matured since that (I can see them laughing now , just pm me the comments regards this). I agree I know nothing about suicide or what it feels like but it still does not stop me having an opinion on it.

goin'_to_the_PS

dendenz wrote:

you dont have to experience something to give an opinion on something?

yes you do. Say you were born on a deserted island and after 20 years you were rescued and the first thing someone said to you is "do you like man u" are trying to tell me that person has the right to an opinion just as much as a man u player(yes i know i can't name one ).

dendenz

how could he know what Man Utd was when he never heard of them? With a subject like suicide , its in the media, you hear about it locally... so you know the impact it has a community or a family. Thats just a pointless post !

Zombrex

dendenz I think the reason people were calling this a troll is because you aren't actually saying much beyond people who commit suicide are cowards, which isn't really a discussion topic.

For a start, people commit suicide for a whole load of reasons. Mental illiness, and depression are probably the most common reasons, but I am not an expert. It is known that in Northern countries with less light suicide is higher than in other countries. Saying that they do it because they are too scared to continue living is rather narrow minded and non sensical view point. It is like saying a person jumped off a bridge to their death because they couldn't face the vertigo of walking across it.

It seems to me that after your battle with cancer you are glad to be alive and angry at people who seem to throw their life away. This is perfectly understandable, and I myself have a hard time understanding why someone would kill themselves, even if things were very very bad. But to dismiss them out right without any attempt to understand or effort to help is in my opion cruel and itself cowardly, as it lets our own fears towards death and life, stop us from helping people who obviously need help in some form

Just my opinion

Mercury_Tilt

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goin'_to_the_PS

dendenz wrote:

how could he know what Man Utd was when he never heard of them? With a subject like suicide , its in the media, you hear about it locally... so you know the impact it has a community or a family. Thats just a pointless post !

you don't know what it feels like, its as good as never hearing about man u. When you read and here about do you feel the same pain as the person..............NO

dendenz

Wicknight wrote:

It seems to me that after your battle with cancer you are glad to be alive and angry at people who seem to throw their life away. This is perfectly understandable, and I myself have a hard time understanding why someone would kill themselves, even if things were very very bad. But to dismiss them out right without any attempt to understand or effort to help is in my opion cruel and itself cowardly, as it lets our own fears towards death and life, stop us from helping people who obviously need help in some form

Just my opinion

Now thats a valid point and I agree with what you say. I have had this opinion since I went to college and yes you are right with the cancer it is amplified even more. I have said the same to my parents and friends and I can say the reaction has been the same. I am all up for enjoying life. Since I was 18 and wnet to college I have had this opinion.

Merc your right I should expand a bit more...

You get one life, why not take a shot at it and enjoy it? Get out there and do things you would never do in life, fly a plane, go bungee jumping, a ticket to New Zealand, whatever your heart desires. There is no point dwinldling on the bad points in life (I admit you have to sometimes) . Feeling suicidal is going against all these things.

dendenz

goin'_to_the_PS wrote:

you don't know what it feels like, its as good as never hearing about man u. When you read and here about do you feel the same pain as the person..............NO

You are right, no faulting you there, you dont know the anguish or torture the person is going through but you see the affects it has on their family and on the person that saw the news has. It makes people think. Are you telling me that when 9/11 happened we shouldnt have made comments about it because we were no there? Bollox, events such as suicide inspire emotions in people and make them think.

shelly04

dendenz wrote:

Are the majority of suicide victims alive to argue their corner?

so jus cos they arent here to defend themselves its ok to say that. and there is people that survived it.

dendenz

I would welcome anyone who has survived suicide attempt to post in this thread.

joe.

dendenz wrote:

I would welcome anyone who has survived suicide attempt to post in this thread.

maybe there is people already who are replying to this thread

goin'_to_the_PS

we know innocent people died at 9/11, we don't know the pain sucidele people go through simple.
I think people should stop feeding this troll. No matter what he says i won't reply. boycott

dendenz

Thats my point though, you see it happening and you get an idea, albeit a very clouded one which needs proper clarification. As I say goin..PS you dont have to reply if you dont like it. Say something constructive.

Sangre

Dont have time to make a full post but I would like to make this quick point.
People who call them selfish for committing suicide don't realise that in most cases they believe they are burden on their friends and families and that it would be better for all if they were dead.

I have actually posted on PI about how it was selfish, search if your bothered. I felt the act was very selfish but my opinions have changed and I realise that I saw so much hurt in people and I knew it could have been prevented by him hence my reaction.

dendenz

I am the opposite, I thought it was a way out and then saw the pain families go through.