indigos

keu

i'm tired of denial, I'm comming out.

Zillah

In terms of your sexuality, or does this have something to do with auras?

stevenmu

keu wrote:

i'm tired of denial, I'm comming out.

I never realised there was any reason to hide it, into the closet for me so ?

keu

I never realised there was any reason to hide it, into the closet for me so ?

I had loads of reasons to, I managed to dull my senses to the point of numbness to stop the pain, completely disconnected and to be honest miss my guide.
I P*ssed off.

keu

I need the light : (

satori

**hugs keu**

keu

((thanks Satori))
good timing too, I just logged on..you must be psychic or somethin..:eek:

satori

*spooky music in background*

You never know...

hehehe
and well done in embraseing your own true being

*you go girl*

keu

I don't have enough emoticons to reply appropriately.

keu

found one
I'll try and forgive myself.

keu

J.Cainer wrote:

Enzo Boschi believes the whole planet shook after Sunday's earthquake. He feels it even had an impact on the earth's rotation. I have no reason to doubt the head of the Italian Institute of Geophysics. Nor do I doubt that the earthquake has triggered another wave; of psychological reaction all over the globe. An unimaginably vast amount of energy has been released. Our minds may never be able to grasp this or to fully understand the tragedy it has led to. Our hearts and souls though, can already sense that it means something profound.

hope that image works. I like the symbolismin the picture.

keu

eheheh..the pic changed, but I like that one too..will change daily, keep tabs.

stevenmu

keu wrote:

I had loads of reasons to, I managed to dull my senses to the point of numbness to stop the pain, completely disconnected and to be honest miss my guide.
I P*ssed off.

I see, I think. Want to share with the rest of the class whatbeing an indigo means to you ?

keu

I dunno teacher.
although in saying that, I would love to be able to talk about it, but boards isn't exactly the place to be doing it.
I'm (or used to be) very connected to the earth. I'm a very feely person
And I know everybody develops differently in different areas, I'm more sentient, as in I pick up on others feelings and thoughts, especially when there's negative energy which needs transmuting, but I realised I'm not a planetary pooper scoper and the planet can clean up it's own poo. it's not my karma.

actually, y'know, I pick up so much of the energy around me that readers don't get personal info in so much as whatever energy I'm wearing that day. It's like I have a hole in my energy field..and it just gets filled up with whatevers in the air.
I really should start meditating again.

keu

I do remember the colour indigo tho, but it's been a long time since I wore it. it tends to make you very magnetic heheh.

Gordon

Introspect a little more, try changing your sleeping patterns to get a higher REM sleep maybe. Sounds like you are concentrating too much on others when you should be thinking about yourself.

Take up a new interest/creation. Buy a digital camera for example and get into photography.

keu

I'm working on it.
Plan on taking up yoga, wanted to do jujitsu but can't find anyone locally, will certainly be making lots of new years resolutions to break tha habit tho.

Gordon

Don't plan it indigo, just do it. Find information via Google and make a start on your own. Go for a jog.

heh jog

keu

I can hear the sound of chaffing thighs already.

keu

i used to walk 7 miles a day to and from work last year and work a full day on top of it, and I was loosing too much weight and becomming exhausted (job was emotionally draining) so I quit and have spent the last year chillin out. I know it's time to get back in the saddle so to speak.
didn't make me any less sensitive tho, I was just fitter.

keu

I blame the hole in the o-zone. I think those UV rays (ultra voilet or indigo) have been affecting us on a molecular level and our dna is evoloving to adapt.
I aw the hole in the ozone when I was about 7, scared the bejesus out of me and have been concerned about the environment ever since.

Zillah

keu wrote:

I blame the hole in the o-zone. I think those UV rays (ultra voilet or indigo) have been affecting us on a molecular level and our dna is evoloving to adapt.
I aw the hole in the ozone when I was about 7, scared the bejesus out of me and have been concerned about the environment ever since.

You see, here's the thing, you've gone and brought science into it, and not only that, you've brought a confused and very wrong understanding of science into it. Evolution takes millions and millions of years and I can guarantee you that the hole in the ozone caused by CFCs has not had a thousanth of a percent of the time it would take to have an impact on our evolution.

Plus the idea of our DNA evolving to adapt is a common misconception about evolution. Evolution exemplifies the idea of "sh*t happens". There is no thought behind it, no direction or plans. Stuff happens, if it works the animal lives and passes on it's DNA, if it doesn't, then the creature dies and doesn't pass on it's DNA.

I appreciate any theories you might have about the ozone and auras etc etc, but I just have a problem with the misuse of scientific concepts, especially to support things that they were never meant to.

Nevyn

well there are some who say it is to do with the dawning of the age of the aquaris, that the last age that of pieces say the rule of christainty in the west and that is slowly changing, personally we should have stayed in the year of the fruit bat.

keu

You see, here's the thing, you've gone and brought science into it, and not only that, you've brought a confused and very wrong understanding of science into it. Evolution takes millions and millions of years and I can guarantee you that the hole in the ozone caused by CFCs has not had a thousanth of a percent of the time it would take to have an impact on our evolution.

Plus the idea of our DNA evolving to adapt is a common misconception about evolution. Evolution exemplifies the idea of "sh*t happens". There is no thought behind it, no direction or plans. Stuff happens, if it works the animal lives and passes on it's DNA, if it doesn't, then the creature dies and doesn't pass on it's DNA.

I appreciate any theories you might have about the ozone and auras etc etc, but I just have a problem with the misuse of scientific concepts, especially to support things that they were never meant to.

you see, here's the thing, your comprehension of evolution might be a bit far fetched to encompass my interpretation. It's not so much about science as it is observation. If you stand out in the sun for too long your likely to get sun burnt, especially when the protective layer of the atmosphere which is supposed to shield us from harmful uv rays is in disrepair. so now, if you stay out in te sun too long, not only are you likely to get sunburned, your also likely to develop cancer. The UV rays do affect us on a molecular level albeit our current understanding is of the harmful effects it can have, mutating healthy cells into cancerous ones. Evolution.

and thats only what we know, for all you know over exposure to UV rays may cause heightened sensitivity. (its how healthy cells mutate into cancerous ones isn't it?..because they are sensitive to uv.)

keu

the earth is a bit sensitive to it too. The global warming effect certainly didn't take millions of years to develop either.
"The year 2004, punctuated by severe storms, was the fourth-hottest on record, extending a trend since 1990 that has registered the 10 warmest years, the U.N. said."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/12/16/climateconference.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/12/15/earlyspring.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/12/14/argentina.climate.ap/index.html
and anything that has an effect on the environment (as part of our evolution) is going to affect the organisms living there. Even if it is something as simple as making us more aware 9sensative) of it.

keu

Plus the idea of our DNA evolving to adapt is a common misconception about evolution. Evolution exemplifies the idea of "sh*t happens".

actually, when we were single cell forms, before the earth had an atmosphere, it was the cosmic radiation which caused the dna to mutate and evolve. So UV rays are directly linked to our evolution.

Zillah

To borrow a phrase from a friend of mine, you're just using words from science, none of that is actually very scientific.

Keu wrote:

you see, here's the thing, your comprehension of evolution might be a bit far fetched to encompass my interpretation. It's not so much about science as it is observation. If you stand out in the sun for too long your likely to get sun burnt, especially when the protective layer of the atmosphere which is supposed to shield us from harmful uv rays is in disrepair. so now, if you stay out in te sun too long, not only are you likely to get sunburned, your also likely to develop cancer. The UV rays do affect us on a molecular level albeit our current understanding is of the harmful effects it can have, mutating healthy cells into cancerous ones. Evolution.

"your comprehension of evolution might be a bit far fetched to encompass my interpretation."
I have no idea what you're trying to say with that. Far fetched? Are you implying it's fantastical? (as opposed to based on science!)

UV radiation does affect us on the molecular level, and radiation of many types does play a part in evolution, but that doesn't get around the fact that it takes millions of years. One mutation doesn't make for evolution. Darwins theory of evolution doesn't merely explain a change from one thing to another, it explains the overall development of species through natural selection, and in the sort of time scale we're discussing here there simply is not even a tiny tiny period of the needed time for natural selection to take effect.

"mutating healthy cells into cancerous ones. Evolution."

Um no, that's a mutation. Mutation does not = evolution. Mutation is an immediate effect, evolution is a concept that spans hundreds of millions of years. Ten billion mutations might be considered evolution as long as enough time had gone past for natural selection to kick in.

Keu wrote:

and thats only what we know, for all you know over exposure to UV rays may cause heightened sensitivity. (its how healthy cells mutate into cancerous ones isn't it?..because they are sensitive to uv.)

Radiation causes mutations when the incredibly unlikely happens. A single high energy particle is flying towards a person and manages to collide with a part of your DNA, causing it to behave differently. Often the cell might just die, maybe it will compensate, or maybe it will start to reproduce crazily. Thats what cancer is, and what that has to do with your notion of "sensitivity" I don't know.

Keu wrote:

...anything that has an effect on the environment (as part of our evolution) is going to affect the organisms living there. Even if it is something as simple as making us more aware 9sensative) of it.

Again you're ignoring the fact that evolution needs millions of years. Yes our environment will massively dictate how we evolve, but it won't be noticible for another, perhaps, five million years...

Keu wrote:

actually, when we were single cell forms, before the earth had an atmosphere, it was the cosmic radiation which caused the dna to mutate and evolve. So UV rays are directly linked to our evolution.

Eh...what? There were no organism on earth before there was an atmosphere. Period. Life did not come into existence until way way way after there was an atmosphere. I think you're confused about a different theory about the origin of earthly life, a debate over the catalyst for the formation of the first DNA.

The radiation that cells are exposed to simply provides the possibilty of mutation, nothing more, and thats not evolution. It's not like in the xmen(which forwards the most God awfully wrong ideas about evol.), as if single celled organism got blasted by space radiation and started growing into better bigger animals. That radiation killed a huge chunk of them, screwed up and ultimatley killed another huge chunk of them, and maybe...one percent, if even that, survived with some sort of benefit, and their offspring continued to exist.

To summarise, I'd strongly suggest you do some thorough research and get a proper understanding of it before you start posting and debating over evolution. I get the impression that you gave something to do with evolution a superficial reading and came away with many half truths and misleading interpretations.



PS : I'm very sorry if any of this is offensive to you, but my science is very important to me.

keu

me wrote:

"your comprehension of evolution might be a bit far fetched to encompass my interpretation."

phlematic wrote:

It's not like in the xmen... as if single celled organism got blasted by space radiation and started growing into better bigger animals

see, your comprehension of my interpretation is that of x-men, when its actually not as far fetched, in fact its very real.

phlematic wrote:

The radiation that cells are exposed to simply provides the possibilty of mutation, nothing more, and thats not evolution.

It is possible for the DNA of an organism to occasionally change, or mutate. A mutation changes the DNA of an organism in a way that affects its offspring, either immediately or several generations down the line.

The change brought about by a mutation is either beneficial, harmful or neutral. If the change is harmful, then it is unlikely that the offspring will survive to reproduce, so the mutation dies out and goes nowhere. If the change is beneficial, then it is likely that the offspring will do better than other offspring and so will reproduce more. Through reproduction, the beneficial mutation spreads. The process of culling bad mutations and spreading good mutations is called natural selection.

As mutations occur and spread over long periods of time, they cause new species to form. Over the course of many millions of years, the processes of mutation and natural selection have created every species of life that we see in the world today, from the simplest bacteria to humans and everything in between.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution1.htm

I'm just aware that what we are experiencing now is just a step in our evolutionary process. Little steps.

phlematic wrote:

The radiation that cells are exposed to simply provides the possibilty of mutation, nothing more, and thats not evolution.

The theory of evolution explains how strands of DNA change. An X-ray, cosmic ray, chemical reaction or similar mechanism can modify a base pair in the DNA strand to create a mutation, and this modification can lead to the creation of a new protein or enzyme.
The theory of evolution further proposes that billions of these mutations created all of the life forms we see today. An initial self-replicating molecule spontaneously formed. It evolved into single-cell organisms. These evolved into multi-cell organisms, which evolved into vertebrates like fish, and so on. In the process, DNA structures evolved from the asexual single-strand format found in bacteria today into the dual-strand chromosomal format found in all higher life forms.

I'm not suggesting we are going to turn into hybrid monsters, but we can certainly alter our genetic coding, in a similar way bacteria and viruses can and we have watched in our lifetime this process where new strains cause antibiotics to become redundant.

PS : I'm very sorry if any of this is offensive to you, but my science is very important to me.

no, not offended, but just disappointed that it's not possible to discuss in real terms (and not fantasical x-men ones) As a scientist tends to see evolution only in hindsight rather than actually watching it occur right under their own noses.
Wouldn't you like to think its possible that humans can over time (and in the space of several generations, not millions of years) alter their genertic coding in an effort to become immune to cancer?

keu

wouldn't you like to know that children are being born with that enhanced genetic coding already?
This is why their energy fields are indigo.

Zillah

Keu wrote:

wouldn't you like to know that children are being born with...

Keu wrote:

Wouldn't you like to think its possible that humans can

Unlike many others, I only believe somethign because of evidence and logic, not because I want to.

Keu wrote:

see, your comprehension of my interpretation is that of x-men, when its actually not as far fetched, in fact its very real.

To say it's far-fetched is misleading, I'm just saying its wrong. Wrong because of...

Keu wrote:

but we can certainly alter our genetic coding, in a similar way bacteria and viruses can and we have watched in our lifetime this process where new strains cause antibiotics to become redundant.

and

Keu wrote:

humans can over time (and in the space of several generations, not millions of years) alter their genertic coding

This is what I mean. You don't get it. There is no will, no planning no structure. A crazy bunch of stuff happens and if it goes wrong stuff dies, if it goes well stuff lives. Humans dont change their genetic structure, it just happens and most of the time they're born mutated or with crippling syndromes. Other times, very very rarely the change might through pure dumb luck just happen to be beneficial.

Also, as for the Xmen, the reason I compare your points to the Xmen storyline is because from my point of view they're no better. Both have been derived from a limited and misleading understanding of the underlying principles.

And just for the record

Some Web Page wrote:

The theory of evolution explains how strands of DNA change.

That's just plain wrong, I don't know who wrote it but its extremely misleading.

Keu wrote:

scientist tends to see evolution only in hindsight rather than actually watching it occur right under their own noses.

That's not fair. Where are you getting that from? Is it actually based on something? People who really get evolution (scientists) generally understand that its an on going process. I for one know very well that evolution is a never ending process.

keu

Unlike many others, I only believe somethign because of evidence and logic, not because I want to.

well I guess you'll have to wait a couple of hundred years before you get the evidence you need. I'm not disputing evolution is a never ending process.

stevenmu

keu wrote:

but I realised I'm not a planetary pooper scoper and the planet can clean up it's own poo. it's not my karma.

actually, y'know, I pick up so much of the energy around me that readers don't get personal info in so much as whatever energy I'm wearing that day. It's like I have a hole in my energy field..and it just gets filled up with whatevers in the air.
I really should start meditating again.

I know what you mean, I seem to have this amazing ability to attract people and their problems to me, never realised I could switch it off, I've just been trying to avoid people as much as possible.

stevenmu

As for evolution, if the holes in the ozone layer cause genetic mutations, which they obviously do, and these mutations survive and enter the gene pool then this is evolution, no ? Granted it's nothing dramatic like an extra limb, maybe it's just a little bit extra on top of a pre existing natural process. Thinking about it, with all the extra radiation of various forms that modern society subjects us to we pretty much have to either evolve to deal with it or wipe ourselves out. It's expected now that 1 in 3 people will contract cancer of some form. Those who don't are either lucky or have some biological characteristic which hardens them against it. This makes them more likely to survive and pass on their genes. While evolution may generally be a slow process, when an eviromental factor threatens a third of the population of the species then it can happen quite quickly, altough medical science does delay the process quite a bit.

keu

I know what you mean, I seem to have this amazing ability to attract people and their problems to me, never realised I could switch it off, I've just been trying to avoid people as much as possible.

probably because you can make them feel better.

stevenmu

keu wrote:

wouldn't you like to know that children are being born with that enhanced genetic coding already?
This is why their energy fields are indigo.

Btw, there are also children being born that are immune to HIV aswell. It's something to do with the way their DNA is structured (as opposed to just a change in the pattern), I first read about it on a pseudo-scientific spitituaist but I've seen it mentioned in a few reputable places too. I'll try and find some links when I have some time later.

Nevyn

ah Keu I would like to bring to your notice the edit button,
it is a handy little device that will allow you to edit or add to your
last post so that you dont have to post several times in a row.

Reactionary posting looks bad and it far from easy on the eyes
when trying to read a thread. Your smart enough to think then post

I and my jaded retinas thank you.

Zillah

stevenmu wrote:

Btw, there are also children being born that are immune to HIV aswell. It's something to do with the way their DNA is structured (as opposed to just a change in the pattern), I first read about it on a pseudo-scientific spitituaist but I've seen it mentioned in a few reputable places too. I'll try and find some links when I have some time later.

Give links or I'll flame you so much... You can't just come out with something like that.


I found something that may have confused you.

www.immunecentral.com wrote:

A small number of people first infected with HIV 10 or more years ago have not developed symptoms of AIDS. Scientists are trying to determine what factors may account for their lack of progression to AIDS, such as particular characteristics of their immune systems or whether they were infected with a less aggressive strain of the virus, or if their genes may protect them from the effects of HIV. Scientists hope that understanding the body's natural method of control may lead to ideas for protective HIV vaccines and use of vaccines to prevent the disease from progressing.

Until you can show us something backing up what you've said, I name you poster of erroneus things.

stevenmu

Sounds like a challenge ....
Here's two links to start off with, I'll try to find better ones, but untill then maybe they're enough to earn me the slightly lesser title of mislead poster ?

From http://www.greatdreams.com/indigo.htm

It is the third group that I am most interested in - the Children of AIDS. About 10 or 11 years ago in the US, there was a baby born with AIDS. They tested him at birth and at 6 months and he tested positive for AIDS. They tested him a year later and he still tested positive. Then they didn't test him again until he was 6, and what was amazing is that this test showed that he was completely AIDS free! In fact, there was no trace that he ever had AIDS or HIV whatsoever!

He was taken to UCLA to see what was going on and those tests showed that he didn't have normal human DNA. In the human DNA we have 4 nucleic acids that combine in sets of 3 producing 64 different patterns that are called codons. Human DNA all over the world always has 20 of these codons turned on and the rest of them are turned off, except for 3 which are the stop and start codes, much like a computer. Science always assumed that the ones that were turned off were old programs from our past. I've always seen them like application programs in a computer. Anyway...this boy had 24 codons turned on - 4 more than any other human being. Then they tested this kid to see how strong his immune system was.

They took a very lethal dose of AIDS in a petri dish and mixed it with some of his cells and his cells remained completely unaffected. They kept raising the lethalness of the composition and finally went up to 3,000 times more than what was necessary to infect a human being and his cells stayed completely disease free. Then they started testing his blood with other things like cancer and discovered that this kid was immune to everything! Then they found another kid with these codons turned on - then another one - then another one - then 10,000, then 100,000, then a million of them - and at this point, UCLA, by watching world-wide DNA testing, estimates that 1% of the world has this new DNA. That breaks down to approximately 60 million people who are not human by the old criteria.

And from http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/01/content_379267.htm

SHENZHEN: Two women have been identified as carrying a mutant gene that is immune to HIV/AIDS, the first such cases uncovered in China, a researcher said.
.....
"Before, such mutant genes were only found in Caucasians. The finding has encouraged us to do further research in China, with the aim of developing medicines to prevent and cure HIV/AIDS for different races,"said Zhu.

keu

ah Keu I would like to bring to your notice the edit button,
it is a handy little device that will allow you to edit or add to your
last post so that you dont have to post several times in a row.

sorry bout that...

stevenmu

Not really a huge addition but there's an interview with a Dr Berrenda Fox here http://www.globalpsychics.com/lp/Prophecy/children_light.htm , she seems to have pretty much the exact same thoughts Keu does. Not definite proof by any means but interesting anyway, in fact some of the symptom mentioned seem a litle too familiar :eek: (Altough the bullitted list of symptoms in the article below seems a little too wide, varied and generic for my liking, I'd bet anyone reading it would nod their head at a few of them). I've tried looking for more information about her but it seems that soon after the article she was shut down by the AMA and has since dissapeared, I'll need to buy some tin-foil and a big metal sieve before I can check any more into it .

keu

she seems to have pretty much the exact same thoughts Keu does. Not definite proof by any means but interesting anyway, in fact some of the symptom mentioned seem a litle too familiar

oh my, someone with the title of Dr is in agreement with me.

I did have to bypass some of the material, as soon as "chanelling" and races from beyond our solar system" come into it, people tend to tune out, which is a shame. There has to be some balance to it all. On the subject of blood tests proving new dna, anyone willing to donate, or more to the point anyone willing to test (if thats possible).

stevenmu

Yeah, some of the material on the site is a bit "questionable". I should point out that this interview didn't originate on this site and is available on many others by simply googling "Dr Berrenda Fox", I probably should have picked one of the others to quote but that seemed a little dishonest.

I'd gladly donate blood but I think testing it would be pretty difficult. From what I know of normal DNA testing, it wouldn't pick up the kind of structures being described here. I'm not sure exactly what it would show, I suspect that it would show as normal DNA, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be conclusive either way. I'm thinking that something along the lines of electron microscopy would be needed to map the exact structure, and that's a bit beyond the reach of most of us, at least until DK bring out their "My First Home Electron Microscope" kit (ages 5+)

Then again I do have a tendency to look for the most complicated solution possible, maybe someone else knows better ?

Zillah

Well at least you didn't just make it up


The second link you posted is the only one I'd put any serious scientific merit in. First of all, the first link is, and I quote; "Channelled from the Ascended Masters." It also says things along the lines of "draw in the souls of other Psychic Children" and "describes a new race of humanity emerging on Earth."

To be honest it's not very scientific.

The third one is from globalpsychics.com....

John

Believe me, if a child was ever born with the ability to use more than 20 codons it would make big news in the science world. Something like that would have huge reprecussions for current theories on everything in molecular biology (which is pretty much everything in your body).

I agree with phlematic, whatever you think is evolution isn't evolution. Cancer is a mutation. A mutation affects one individual. And unless a mutation occurs in the gonads it's not going to be passed on. You think UV rays are going to cause many gonad related mutations? How many people do you know that walk about with their bits dangling out? For women this is even more unrealistic when you consider how deep inside their body the ovaries are.

Check out The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins for a very good explaination of how evolution works.

Oryx

Am trying to boost my knowledge on evolution etc, but have started with evo-lite, ie Bill Brysons History of Everything, and even thats a lot to take in. Any other books recomended? Think Carl Sagan is a bit too heavy for a beginner

I know this is off topic, but I really cant follow the indigo part of the thread at all, I can pick up on auras, but I havent read much on literal meanings.

stevenmu

Bill Brysons book is excellent, for all kinds of information, stick with it. If you want more detailed stuff afterwards you could try looking at Biology Online for a tutorial, from what I've read so far a background in biology and a good dictionary would be very helpfull.

As for Indigos, basically I think everybody has a kind of default base colour to their aura that reveals various things about them. At some stage in the 90's lots of children started being born with indigo as their base colour. Metagifted.org explains it better than I could (look for the links down the left).

Oryx

Interesting link, cheers Havent a clue what my base colour is, too hard to read myself! Dont think I have to though, I think Im peculiar enough to qualify as indigo!

stevenmu

John2 wrote:

Believe me, if a child was ever born with the ability to use more than 20 codons it would make big news in the science world. Something like that would have huge reprecussions for current theories on everything in molecular biology (which is pretty much everything in your body).

Are you sure they wouldn't just dismiss it and carry on believing in the theories they already have ? I'm sure you'll admit that it wouldn't be unkown, or even uncommon, for scientists and science in generall to do that ?

Anyway back to mutations and evolution, I haven't found any evidence of it taking place now but,
From Biology Online

However there are many mutagenic agents that artificially increase the rate of mutations in an organism. The following are some factors that increase genetic mutations in organisms

• Members of species in a particular geographic area or ethnic origin are more susceptible to mutations
• High dosages of X-Rays or ultraviolet light can increase the likeliness of a mutation
• Radioactive substances increase the rate of mutations exponentially

As mentioned previously, genetic mutations are a source of new variation in a species because it physically alters the sequence of nucleotides in a given sequence, therefore altering the genome in a unique way.

Evidence of mutation leading to increased chance of natural selection (i.e. evolution) from PBS (and elsewhere if they're not trustworthy enough)

It turns out that, in these areas, HbS carriers have been naturally selected, because the trait confers some resistance to malaria.

and it's been suggested that humanity essentially evolved away from apes because of one single mutation at RedNova (again other sources available if needed).

I think I've done enough to show that mutation is capable of causing evolution. The alternative is that all genetic information currently in existence was around for the beginnings of life. Genetic information was then deleted from the pool and made redundant through natural selection leading to the life forms we recognise today. That all seems a little too creationist for my likings. What Keu has suggested, which I'm starting to think is more and more likely, may seem improbable but I think it's definitly possible.

Zillah

Oh holy crap I just realised something. John2 accidentally brought it to my attention. When I talk about mutations and evolution and stuff I kinda forgot that all of you havn't done leaving cert biology or science at UCD, so although I did explain what I was talking about, they were plenty of things I just took for granted of you knowing. So for the record, when I speak about mutations in terms of evolution, the only mutation that I am refering to is that which happens (and it does for plenty of reasons, some of them having nothing to do with external factors) when a zygote is formed(ie, conception). That's the only mutation that evolution gives a crap about. Because when a mutation happens in the first cell of a child, ALL the childs cells have it, it's now part of it's gene code, and will be passed on to his children.

Oh wow we were talking on completely different levels. When radiation from the sun causes a mutation, thats cancer, and as John already said, thats just bloody normal skin cancer and has pretty much zero to do with evolution.

My apoligies for not realising earlier in exactly what way you were wrong.


Edit:

KatieK wrote:

Am trying to boost my knowledge on evolution

Bravo, an admirable goal. All the best.

Stevenmu wrote:

Are you sure they wouldn't just dismiss it and carry on believing in the theories they already have ? I'm sure you'll admit that it wouldn't be unkown, or even uncommon, for scientists and science in generall to do that ?

Anyway back to

Are you insane? Where the hell are you getting that from? This isn't the sixteenth century! If a scientist discovered something that big it's an insta-Nobel-prize and millions in the bank, not to mention prestige fame and a place in history.

Seriously people, enough with the offhanded insults towards scientists in general.

keu

your so sexeh phlematic.

stevenmu

phlematic wrote:

Oh holy crap I just realised something. John2 accidentally brought it to my attention. When I talk about mutations and evolution and stuff I kinda forgot that all of you havn't done leaving cert biology or science at UCD, so although I did explain what I was talking about, they were plenty of things I just took for granted of you knowing. So for the record, when I speak about mutations in terms of evolution, the only mutation that I am refering to is that which happens (and it does for plenty of reasons, some of them having nothing to do with external factors) when a zygote is formed(ie, conception). That's the only mutation that evolution gives a crap about. Because when a mutation happens in the first cell of a child, ALL the childs cells have it, it's now part of it's gene code, and will be passed on to his children.

I think at this stage it's probably fair to say at this stage that we're all misunderstanding each other (I can barely understand myself at this stage ). You seem to think that whats being talked about is some kind Stephen King scenario where cosmic rays are mutating kids and giving them super powers. As cool as that would be I don't think anybody's talking about that.

Chaos theory would suggest that a very small change across a large enough sample base (say about 6 billion) can have a pretty large effect. I think chaos theory can be said to apply, to some degree, to evolution. Therefore it follows, that subtle enviromental and lifestyle changes, and the changes over the last century haven't exactly been subtle, can lead to noticeable effect. A concrete example that's easily verifiable is that IQs have increased dramatically over the last few decades.

Also, how big a change are we really talking about here anyway. How big of an evolutionary leap is required to make people slightly more psychic. It seems to me to be much less of a jump than growing and extra limb or anything like that.

edit: oh and btw I remember seeing a documentary where they did an experiment with radiation and fruit flies. They subjected various specific bits of flies to radiation, head, thorax, abdomen etc and each fly's offspring would be born with a duplicate of that body part. I'll search for some linkage now.