Dublin

Zillah

Right, as some of you might have noticed over the last few months, I have a small but growing interest in the paranoramal, despite my endlessly scientifiic out look. So here's what I want from you. Where's haunted in Dublin? Preferably public areas. Anywhere in the city that people have heard is haunted, or even places that you get wierd sensations from. I don't have the patience to wait for a PRAI investigation. Thanks!

Nevyn

if you want a tour go to the tourist office and they will give you the conacts for the chost tour and the murders of dublin walking tour.

Personally i would not put up a list of "hot spots" or haunting for people to go have a feel may as well tell people to stick your finger in a plug socket.

Zillah

To continue your analogy, I fully intend to put my finger in whatever socket I can find, so you may as well help me to find one with low voltage.

Nevyn

I have no means of knowing what your experices or tolreances are that is a tingle to me may be a huge chock to the system for you and I would be resposibile.

Zillah

It would be your responsibility were I a child or an invalid etc. But I'm not, I'm a curious independent adult asking for help, and your only response seems to be a condescending refusal. A least show me the respect to trust that I'm not going to go do anything stupid. At the very least, reccomend how it might be done safely, rather than just shooting me down.

Do you actually have any ideas or are you just arguing hypothetically?

Talliesin

phlematic wrote:

I don't have the patience to wait for a PRAI investigation

phlematic wrote:

It would be your responsibility were I a child or an invalid etc. But I'm not, I'm a curious independent adult asking for help, and your only response seems to be a condescending refusal.

Those two statements seem rather at odds.

Zillah

Impatience is soley the purview of children now?

Nevyn

phlematic wrote:

It would be your responsibility were I a child or an invalid etc. But I'm not, I'm a curious independent adult asking for help,

According to my religion and beliefs I would be resposible and that is why i am cautious.

phlematic wrote:

and your only response seems to be a condescending refusal.

no infact i gave you two starting points.
the tour by torchlight and the ghost tour of dublin and when to get further info on them .

phlematic wrote:

A least show me the respect to trust that I'm not going to go do anything stupid. At the very least, reccomend how it might be done safely, rather than just shooting me down.

if you have no experience at these things then what may seems the most logical thing to do can be stupid.

There are ways this can be done safely but I would be remiss and again resposible if I was to put up a list of do and donts. every place that you visit has it's own rules and if you are not tuned in enough to figure out what they are when you get if you get there then it is not safe at all.

phlematic wrote:

Do you actually have any ideas or are you just arguing hypothetically?

those i stated above and do go on the PRAI feild trips if you are intrested, that way you should be with some one who is experienced.

oh and never attempt stuff like that while under the influence of strong emotion , alchol or other mind or system altering substances.

stormkeeper

I'd like to add a few things to what the poster I'm quoting said. I read over it all before responding, and I do agree with him/her (sorry, I dunno which you are ). I'm just adding in opinions of my own, based on my own experiences.

Thaed wrote:

According to my religion and beliefs I would be resposible and that is why i am cautious.

It's understandable, considering the nature of the subject. Even a simple walk in the park, depending on where it is can be dangerous, depending on what went on there.

no infact i gave you two starting points.
the tour by torchlight and the ghost tour of dublin and when to get further info on them .

You can go to Dublin bus on O'Connell Street to book the Ghost Bus tour. And the two above places are good enough starting places. I'd like to do them myself.

if you have no experience at these things then what may seems the most logical thing to do can be stupid.

Yeah, and sometimes the result of the action is none-too-pleasant.

There are ways this can be done safely but I would be remiss and again resposible if I was to put up a list of do and donts. every place that you visit has it's own rules and if you are not tuned in enough to figure out what they are when you get if you get there then it is not safe at all.

That would be an awfully long list. I mean, each active location has spirits with different personalities and temperaments, just like people. I'm sure you'd be pretty annoyed if people started doing things on your property that you didn't like. Most spirits were people once too. It's a good thing to keep in mind.

those i stated above and do go on the PRAI feild trips if you are intrested, that way you should be with some one who is experienced.

There aren't any planned that I reall, but I'm sure some will eventually come up and will be put on the site.

oh and never attempt stuff like that while under the influence of strong emotion , alchol or other mind or system altering substances.

This is always something to keep in mind; It may be the most obvious thing, but we don't always think of the obvious.

stormkeeper

phlematic wrote:

A least show me the respect to trust that I'm not going to go do anything stupid.

You forget though... As humans, we're bound to do something stupid many times in our lives. That's called a mistake, if you want to refer to it in another name. We all make mistakes. If you don't make mistakes, then you're obviously a perfect being. I've never seen a perfect being, ever... Actually, if a perfect being were to exist, I'd be very afraid since it wouldn't be human. To be human is to be flawed, and that means making mistakes, and learning from them.

keu

may as well tell people to stick your finger in a plug socket.

I dunno why people go looking for haunted places, if your interested in finding proof in order to have something to believe in there are many other ways of doing it. Wouldn't it be nicer if that proof was delivered via a nice experience..with good feelings?

keu

I've never seen a perfect being, ever... Actually, if a perfect being were to exist, I'd be very afraid since it wouldn't be human.

aliens?


long time no see Kennett, hope all is well.

stormkeeper

keu wrote:

aliens?

lol, I suppose...

long time no see Kennett, hope all is well.

Indeedy. How have you been? I've been alright, had a nasty stomach bug, just got over it now, it seems...

Zillah

keu wrote:

I dunno why people go looking for haunted places

Keu, we weren't all born with a hyper sensitivity to electrical things or energies about us(if I recall correctly). I'm curious about a world I have yet to experience, a world that seems extremely insular, and one I'm pretty sure I won't touch on by travelling around on some dinky bus tour.

All of you that have posted so far have clearly had experiences in this regard, and god dammit I want to at least touch on something similar, but you seem to show nothing but a blockade of one who is obviously an outsider.

It's very easy to say "no it's dangerous" or "you probably shouldn't" when you've already had the experience. You so casually refer to something I've never known while still denying me the help to see it too. I'm not asking to be possessed or go for a walk in the astral, I just want to see something other than office blocks and empty streets.

I think this is the first time I've been so utterly disappointed on boards.

Zillah

Kennett wrote:

Actually, if a perfect being were to exist, I'd be very afraid since it wouldn't be human. To be human is to be flawed, and that means making mistakes, and learning from them.

This is half of what I'm saying. I'll never learn anything if I just keep my head down.

If it really is a mistake then it's mine to make. At least I'll have tried. Or I could just close my eyes again, go back to a grey world and mock those who believe something. Pff ghost, what a load of nonsense. Spirits? Ha! Hippy crap...

keu

I don't know what to say phlematic.
I think everyone here is only advising to stay out of harms way. Experiences usually seek you out, not the other way around.
If you want to learn or get a greater understanding, read some books. (some good ones have been suggested)

btw..most people I know who are sensitive to such things are people who have experienced traumatic situations..either they've had near death experiences or obe's (which aren't all that nice) or have suffered a loss. They didn't go out looking for it.

Sometimes spirit encounters can be very subtle. We all have this idea of things going bump in the night or phantoms appearing like shadows, but in most cases where spirit has not moved on, as in hauntings (whether you believe me or not) the effects on a person being around that energy can be unnoticible to the untrained eye..negative energy can bring on depression, headaches and a generally feeling of being unwell, or in some instances rage and anger.
This how is how sensitives pick up energy...through their senses, either through thought impressions or physical sensations. Its not always a case of seeing apparitions.

keu

Keu, we weren't all born with a hyper sensitivity to electrical things or energies about us(if I recall correctly)

I think we were, we just forget as we get older.

Zillah

keu wrote:

This how is how sensitives pick up energy...through their senses, either through thought impressions or physical sensations. Its not always a case of seeing apparitions.

That's exactly what I mean. I have no intention of walking into an old building and seeing ghosts walking around. I have no illusions about shadowy figures and headless horsemen. I want to see if I can get those impressions or feel those physical sensations. All I want is advice on how to do it.

keu wrote:

I think we were, we just forget as we get older.

I'm afraid I might have forgotten, and you seem so resistant to me relearning.

Talliesin

phlematic wrote:

I'm curious about a world I have yet to experience, a world that seems extremely insular, and one I'm pretty sure I won't touch on by travelling around on some dinky bus tour.

If you want a list of places that are reported to be hot spots for this kind of activity they do have one though.

phlematic wrote:

All of you that have posted so far have clearly had experiences in this regard, and god dammit I want to at least touch on something similar, but you seem to show nothing but a blockade of one who is obviously an outsider.

I don't think anyone can really help you there. These things don't happen on demand for any of us. Some of the people here have had nasty experiences that they'd rather not have had. There are people (most likely not posting here though) who would envy you that you haven't had these experiences.

There are also people who would love to be able to just do something that would suddenly let others have the same experiences, especially if they find it quite lonely to have experiences the majority of people in our culture would put down to lying or mental disturbance and many of the minority who do believe in them would be unsettled by.

It's worth adding that most attempts at objective research into these matters, whether conducted by sceptics, believers or even those who've had personal experiences at other times, end up with inconclusive results at best.

phlematic wrote:

Keu, we weren't all born with a hyper sensitivity to electrical things or energies about us(if I recall correctly).

Not everyone has much innate ability (and I knew one person with innate ability who was pretty much scared of anything vaguely occult or paranormal, as you can imagine the two didn't mix to make her particulary happy). Pretty much anyone can learn some paranormal skills like divination if they really work at it, and that will make the sort of experiences you are talking about more likely, though once you get serious enough about developing such senses to have any success that will no longer be the point.

Please don't stick your fingers in any sockets, but sure go ahead an see if the lights work.

keu

well...opening up to those sensations is all good and well but its also a huge responsibility, good and bad are two sides of the one coin and without the right kind of guidance can lead to experiences which are just uneccessary.
I don't think I am qualified to hold such responsibility.
In the UK and the states its fairly easy to walk into spiritualist churches and communities who openly "baptize" /tune people up. There is probably a good reason why those types of communities are not here in Ireland.
Harry potter may be only a character in books, but the whole schooling process is real, learning how to protect and clear and differentiate, what you can trust and what you should walk away fom are all very important aspects when dealing with spirit.
I'm not trying to prevent you from learning, in fact I have suggested a forum where people who are spiritually aware can come together and discuss things.
read some books, and I'll use that old cliche, when the student is ready the teacher will appear, but speaking from my own experiences I wouldn't be in such a rush to go through all that again.

keu

is Ireland just full of solitaires? No guidance, just a case of learning through experience?
I'm all crispy and burnt on the outside

stormkeeper

keu wrote:

is Ireland just full of solitaires? No guidance, just a case of learning through experience?

That's dangerous in itself.

keu

note my crispyness.
Truthfully I came here as, being the largest irish online community I thought I would be able to find someone with experience who could guide and advise or discuss..it like looking for a needle in a haystack.

stormkeeper

A lot of the time, people think you're crazy for thinking of such things. I've been told I know a lot of stuff, but I feel held back. I need to balance out my spiritual side, as I'm useless in that regard at the moment, bar a few small things....

keu

I personally find it amazing in a country thats synonymous with spirit and divination as a cultural tradition, finding qualified and experienced people to help develop or guide is like trying to get water out of a turnip. Its no wonder people are afraid or feel held back. (especialy when its the genuine article)
They all hiding under rocks?

keu

ah wait..I know..take up yoga, or tai chi, or learn reiki or reflexology. Thats about as close to development, gaining spiritual balance and learning or guidance as you will get in Ireland.

stormkeeper

I might take it up for a few weeks, as I'll eb gone to England soon, and I might do a spiritual church. There's a spiritual circle in Dublin, I found out. I was gonna visit it, but I've not had much time to call yet. I can give you the number if you're in the area?

I've been told I have a gift, though I dunno what actually is holding me back, since I was brought up to respect all this stuff. I've been able to feel "resistance" though, like when I face my palms together, if that makes sense? That's all I can actively do at the moment, bar the odd time I can predict the odd future event (mostly accurate) or know what people talk about before they say it. There's been other things too, but the instances in general are rare...

Talliesin

keu wrote:

I personally find it amazing in a country thats synonymous with spirit and divination as a cultural tradition, finding qualified and experienced people to help develop or guide is like trying to get water out of a turnip. Its no wonder people are afraid or feel held back. (especialy when its the genuine article)
They all hiding under rocks?

Yes they are!
Beware of groups that are easy to find.

keu

I can relate in a way kennett, my father was my spiritual teacher, but he just happens to be dead and I find it difficult to find anybody I can trust with such implicity, as for groups, I do have some friends who walk in specific circles, they do go out and celebrate pagan traditions and have gatherings, but I'm not really into it too much.
I don't generally trust groups which are easy to find, (like spiritualist churches) and I don't put too much faith in the many of the practitioners, I don't trust their motives. (I've met many reiki practitioners who are not as competent as they make themselves out to be)..I'm just bemused at how its like a sin to even talkabout the subject in this country.

stormkeeper

Talliesin wrote:

Beware of groups that are easy to find.

Hmm.....

stormkeeper

keu wrote:

I can relate in a way kennett, my father was my spiritual teacher, but he just happens to be dead and I find it difficult to find anybody I can trust with such implicity, as for groups, I do have some friends who walk in specific circles, they do go out and celebrate pagan traditions and have gatherings, but I'm not really into it too much.
I don't generally trust groups which are easy to find, (like spiritualist churches) and I don't put too much faith in the many of the practitioners, I don't trust their motives. (I've met many reiki practitioners who are not as competent as they make themselves out to be)..I'm just bemused at how its like a sin to even talkabout the subject in this country.

At the moment, there's very few people I know who are into this stuff, let alone people who are nearby... I'd love to learn about it, but this blockage frustrates me... I find it hard to believe in my abilities. Unfortunately I haven't really been able to expand my spiritual side as much as I have liked, due to circumstances I won't repeat in public.

Zillah

keu wrote:

I'm just bemused at how its like a sin to even talkabout the subject in this country.

I blame the christians

keu

/me laughs.

Oryx

Kennett, my experience similar to yours, Its a very hard area to find like minds, but if it helps, Im one of us!!

Original poster, As far as ghostly places, anywhere there has been human interaction for a long time will carry spiritual echoes which can be picked up. These are often subtle and you have to train your mind to filter out all extraneous thought. So if you go to any old ruin, castle, or existing old house you may pick up something. Practically any building has some spiritual activity but I would avoid places where conflict has taken place, or hospitals etc at first. I would advise that you learn how to create a protective barrier around yourself, as if you walk into something unpleasant you may find it hard to shake off. And you may also find that when you learn to open up to spirit you may not be able to stop, which is both a blessing and a curse.

stormkeeper

KatieK wrote:

Kennett, my experience similar to yours, Its a very hard area to find like minds, but if it helps, Im one of us!!

Good stuff ^_^ I sent you a response by the way.

Original poster, As far as ghostly places, anywhere there has been human interaction for a long time will carry spiritual echoes which can be picked up. These are often subtle and you have to train your mind to filter out all extraneous thought. So if you go to any old ruin, castle, or existing old house you may pick up something. Practically any building has some spiritual activity but I would avoid places where conflict has taken place, or hospitals etc at first. I would advise that you learn how to create a protective barrier around yourself, as if you walk into something unpleasant you may find it hard to shake off. And you may also find that when you learn to open up to spirit you may not be able to stop, which is both a blessing and a curse.

I very much agree, and there's times you don't realise you've left yourself open, which can be a very bad thing =/

stormkeeper

keu wrote:

ah wait..I know..take up yoga, or tai chi, or learn reiki or reflexology. Thats about as close to development, gaining spiritual balance and learning or guidance as you will get in Ireland.

I'm gonna take up Yoga... Got a CD about learning it today. I'm gonna wait a while before getting a CD on meditation.. My mum tried it once and was talking to a horse of a friend of mine... He/She was saying about a problem with its throat and a problem with its knee and/or leg. Not long after, it was out on a run, and it clipped its leg while jumping and fell down, breaking its neck and leg. It's really sad about what happened, but it's pretty suprisiing what happened O_o

keu

I took up yoga about 5 years ago, just the way you did, bought a video after I had trashed my car and needed to work on strengthening muscle after damage, worked wonders and the breathing really helps gain focus. I have a friend who is a tai chi teacher and did that once or twice but always found myself falling over laughing...she takes it very seriously.
Have another friend who just recieved her yoga teachers license so hopefully will start back up again soon.

re the horse, have you ever wondered what the purpose in being able to recieve that kind of information is?

Oryx

*sticking oar in*
I dont think all the info thats channelled has a purpose, sometimes its like listening to a radio, whatevers on air comes over to you. Or sometimes something irrelevant or unchangeable like the horse incident might only serve to further the channellers development.

keu

maybe.

Or sometimes something irrelevant or unchangeable like the horse incident might only serve to further the channellers development.

I'm not trying to be pedantic, but to what end?
I understand that a "chaneller" can pick up whatever wavelength they happen to be tuned into, and I understand that each experience brings with it a sense of learning or understanding, but to what end?
For example, does being telepathic serve a purpose or is the ultimate point of development just comming to finally understand that we are all connected in some way.
just curious.

keu

p.s. say hello to your mom for me Kennett, you should tell her to get on boards sometime and give us some input.

Oryx

keu wrote:

maybe.
I'm not trying to be pedantic, but to what end?
I understand that a "chaneller" can pick up whatever wavelength they happen to be tuned into, and I understand that each experience brings with it a sense of learning or understanding, but to what end?
For example, does being telepathic serve a purpose or is the ultimate point of development just comming to finally understand that we are all connected in some way.
just curious.

Ill let you know when I finally find out myself With the type of channelling I do, my ultimate hope would be to bring healing and peace of mind to the person the messages are for.

keu

thats a very honourbale reason. I remember feeling the need to do the same, but things changed and I no longer feel compelled to "be a planetary pooper scooper" and I don't feel guilty for no longer having the same compassion for humanity.
Some people I met had serious issues and I found should be just left to walk their own path. I learned it is a great responsibility and I don't intend to get involved with others "spiritual development" (not that they were my intentions in the first place) . I look after my own.

Oryx

keu wrote:

thats a very honourbale reason. I remember feeling the need to do the same, but things changed and I no longer feel compelled to "be a planetary pooper scooper" and I don't feel guilty for no longer having the same compassion for humanity.
Some people I met had serious issues and I found should be just left to walk their own path. I learned it is a great responsibility and I don't intend to get involved with others "spiritual development" again, the binds are eternal. I look after my own.

Ah, theres a difference between us. I havent been involved in anyone elses spiritual development, apart from trying to cure a friends fear of ghosts! My spiritual development and what I do with it is my responsibilty, everyone else must, by definition, find their own path. It is very easy to become someones crutch, psychologists get the same thing.

keu

you say "With the type of channelling I do, my ultimate hope would be to bring healing and peace of mind to the person the messages are for."
do you not consider giving "chanelled" messages being involved with others spiritual development?

keu

and tell me, are you picking up spirit energy too right now?

Oryx

Hadnt thought of it as that. But I dont set out to expand peoples spirituality, only to pass on a message from spirit that can be quite mundane, but mean a lot to the person its for. As far as Im aware noone has changed their religious outlook because of me. If someone gets a psychic reading, and it makes them look on the world in a different, more open way, then that is part of their spiritual path, but Im not there as a guide in any way.

Am I picking up spirit energy now? No, too busy typing

keu

But I dont set out to expand peoples spirituality, only to pass on a message from spirit that can be quite mundane, but mean a lot to the person its for. As far as Im aware noone has changed their religious outlook because of me. If someone gets a psychic reading, and it makes them look on the world in a different, more open way, then that is part of their spiritual path, but Im not there as a guide in any way.

thats about as involved as I got and tbh I never tried to do it, it would just happen.

Am I picking up spirit energy now? No, too busy typing

I picked up on something.,

Oryx

keu wrote:

thats about as involved as I got and tbh I never tried to do it, it would just happen.

Started like that with me too, and I found the more I try to get something specific, the less likely it is to happen. Sometimes the strongest messages come when you least expect them.

keu wrote:

I picked up on something.,

Completely tuned out here due to long days work. What you get???

keu

Completely tuned out here due to long days work. What you get???

could be one of two things. either I'm pissing you off or
there is a male figure in spirit.
although in saying that, could be residual left over from the last one.
lots of heady energy.

Oryx

Is this connected to me or just in general? Oh, you not pissing me off

stormkeeper

keu wrote:

p.s. say hello to your mom for me Kennett, you should tell her to get on boards sometime and give us some input.

I'll send her your regards, and I'll see what I can do

Btw, upon reading the past few threads, I'm impressed with how you picked up on something Keu. I don't usually pick up things like that myself, but I prolly block things out without thinking at times. Only time I pick up things online is when things are a slight bit more relaxed...