Lads its only the junior cert.

Squirrel

Calm down. Study all u want. it doesnt make much difference. i didnt and got all honours. its not tat hard

PurpleFistMixer

Why thankyou for devaluing any and all work anyone may be putting into this.

It's really appreciated.

Raphael

Squirrel wrote:

Calm down. Study all u want. it doesnt make much difference. i didnt and got all honours. its not tat hard

Even in english? Well there's a shock

Squirrel

I'm not devaluing any work you've done, I know loads of people who studied really hard but then only after it was over they realised that it was just another exam. What subjects and at what level are you doing? Oh yeah, I got a "C" in honours English.
Good Luck. And remember to take a break over Christmas.

Raphael

Oh, you just frgot to apply it, no harm done (Not sarcasm)

PurpleFistMixer

Isn't the point of it to treat it like it actually meant something, though? A preparation for the leaving cert perhaps, so you can actually teach yourself how to study and whatnot?
And, in my interpretation, when you say "It doesn't make a difference whether you work or not, it doesn't matter, etc." that is devaluing work.

I'm just sick of people saying this to me, is all. Fine, it's not the end of the world but I think that kind of talk is only necessary if people are actually doing themself harm getting worked up over it. Otherwise why not let people believe that the work they're putting in to it will actually yield results to be proud of, and not just to say "sure it's only the junior cert, it doesn't matter at all."

/me is doing irish, english, maths, history, geography, science, art, business studies, french + CSPE, all honours save for non streamed classes, if that question was directed at me.

Raphael

My thoughts exactly. You only get 2 chances to do a state exam, best to use the first to get used to the system

shelly04

Squirrel i couldnt agree more with ya!! didnt open a book 4 my junior cert and was absent more times than i was in got 9 honours and a pass in french.. my parents was full sure i failed it (oh they of little faith!!!!!!) so boys and girlies chill out and relax! (no point in studying if you gonna panic and forget it all) shall all be fine!! a in pass eng. b in honours irish.a in honours art.

Raphael

You know that it's only an honour if it's at higher level, right?

shelly04

only took english at ord as had personality clash with higer teacher. hated the cow

Raphael

I feel your pain. That's why I dropped music after 1st year. Teacher was utterly incompetent

shelly04

regret it now as i didnt do anythin in pass but still passed should have stuck with hon.

segadreamcast

Reasons why you should study the Junior Cert:
1. Large indicator of personal performance and the best that can be hoped for.
2. Generally decides what level you will do at Leaving Cert.
3. Familiarises you with the layout of a formal state exam.

shelly04

i got 450 points in leaving... but i did sudy 4 it.. j.c is a breeze

the smiley one

Ok, I just had to post a reply because I can hear a tad of the patronising thing going on. Now I'm doing my LC btw so I do have (a little) authority on the matter of the JC. It's all very well and good to say "yeah it's easy" etc. but at the time, if i can remember back that far, it was a big deal - first state exam etc, well actually, first REAL exam. So do use it as a learning process. But, in the same breath, don't take it too seriously ; try not to get stressed, and remember that although the exam is important (for e.g if you are applying to english system; they seriously consider your JC results, and streaming next year) but that it isn't the end of the world.
Do a little study, work steadily throughout the year and you'll be fine

newgrange

It might not be a big deal to the sort of person who comes from a home where education is a priority, and who will automatically be expected by their family to stay on for Leaving, and to follow on to college, but it IS a big deal to a large number of people - for some it is their Leaving Cert..
Bully for all of you who got all honours in the Junior Cert. - I hope you appreciate how lucky you are compared to many people in the real world.

shelly04

Well good luck to all those who are taking their junior cert as their leaving cert... but is there really any point in stressing so much so that you panic and forget everything. anyway best of luck.

lil_miss_perfec

Raphael wrote:

My thoughts exactly. You only get 2 chances to do a state exam, best to use the first to get used to the system

aren't all college exams state exams? and yor driving test?

your all gonna look back at this forum in june and be like 'i cant believe i was worried about those tests'

i skipped to school with an ice pop the morning of my first exam. oh wat fun it was! enjoy 3rd year, it's lotsa fun! :cool:

PurpleFistMixer

lil_miss_perfec wrote:

your all gonna look back at this forum in june and be like 'i cant believe i was worried about those tests'

That's presuming that we are worried about them in the first place...

Can't people wait for someone to start having difficulties before offering help and advice? It looks to me like everyone just wants an excuse to come along and say "yeah, been there, done that, breezed through it" with a lovely almost patronisingly superior tone...

*bitter and angry*

Squirrel

I'm not trying to devalue any work done by anyone, but the L.C is just a means to an end. You could get 600 points and still be beaten in college exams by people who got 300. If the J.C is only there to get you ready for the L.C, then what are the mocks for. Youcover all the J.C exam papers in class and the final month is used for revision over learning anything new. Anyone doing metalwork, I can't do it in 4th year in my school, what is the project (higher or ordinary) this year.

billy the squid

Squirrel wrote:

I'm not trying to devalue any work done by anyone, but the L.C is just a means to an end. You could get 600 points and still be beaten in college exams by people who got 300. If the J.C is only there to get you ready for the L.C, then what are the mocks for. Youcover all the J.C exam papers in class and the final month is used for revision over learning anything new. Anyone doing metalwork, I can't do it in 4th year in my school, what is the project (higher or ordinary) this year.

the person who gets 600 points in their leaving certificate has a wider choice and a better chance of getting into college than the person who gets 300. sure once both individuals get into the same college the person with 300 leaving certificate points migh do better at that college course.

what other system would you suggest, a lottery for college places. the current system is the fairest in that it picks the students who are determined enough to attain those 600 points first. if there was a lotery or a "lets give low scoring students a college place" system initiated, then the quality of graduates would slip.

I missed sa sizable amount of my junior certifacte year between mid novembe 92 and january 93, and had to work extremely hard to catch up with the mocks only weeks away, followed not long after by the actual exams, so to tell someone that the exam is worthless is indeed patronising.

if you choose to take the easier subjects (ordinary level, foundation level) then the junior certificate will be easier, but the subject levels you pick in the junior certificate will have a direct bearing on what subjects you can do in the Leaving certificate.

The mock exams are not really a taster of a state exam because it is your own teachers who are supervising them, and if a previous exam paper is being used then you are more than likely to have seen it before. As well as that you are under no real pressure,'cos its only the mock."

The fact that cheating in the junior cert disqualifies you from any state employment for life is an indication of how seriously the state takes the junior cert.

The junior cert also helps the student decide what subjects they might take for their lleaving certificate. the results from the junior cert would help a student decide whether they would be stronger in languages or the sciences for example, that way they can make the right selection of subjects for their leaving certificate.

Aoibheann

to anyone doing the junior cert, try your hardest, it'll decide what classes you get into for your leaving cert. Seriously. We all say when it's over it's not such a big deal, but I can tell you this much, I was worried after every single exam, even though I did very well. If you work hard all year, you're getting a lot of the knowledge through into your head, even if you dont think you are, you'll remember during the exam. Listen as much as you can in class, yes especially in the boring classes, as much as you dont want to. You'll feel much more satisfied next September with the knowledge that you've tried as best as you can, and it will pay off.

Best of luck to you all!

Squirrel

billy the squid wrote:

I missed sa sizable amount of my junior certifacte year between mid novembe 92 and january 93, and had to work extremely hard to catch up with the mocks only weeks away, followed not long after by the actual exams, so to tell someone that the exam is worthless is indeed patronising.

if you choose to take the easier subjects (ordinary level, foundation level) then the junior certificate will be easier, but the subject levels you pick in the junior certificate will have a direct bearing on what subjects you can do in the Leaving certificate.

I never said that the exam is worth less. You can check my previous posts, I never once said that.

If you do all the "easier levels" for the junior cert than would you be capable of doing higher level for the leaving cert?

Your levels in the junior cert bear no relation whatsoever to what subjects you can pick,what does matter is the attitude of the teachers towards starting new subjects and the availability of spaces in the classes.

Theres no point panicking and overloading at home. I agree with Aoibheann Brady in saying that if you work all year you'll do fine

Victor

Squirrel wrote:

Your levels in the junior cert bear no relation whatsoever to what subjects you can pick,what does matter is the attitude of the teachers towards starting new subjects and the availability of spaces in the classes.

Doing lower level maths at JC will affect your ability to do higher level maths at LC. It would certainly lead to a lot of catching up.

Rozabeez

How are we supposed to take a break over Xmas if the mocks start in January? You may have done well without studying, but some people arent capable of doing that.

Squirrel

Rozabeez wrote:

How are we supposed to take a break over Xmas if the mox start in January? You may have done well without studying, but some people arent capable of doing that.

Its easy, you just don't study for a few days, you don't have to take many but you'll wear yourself out if you keep going. The mocks are there to learn the layout and timing of the exam. Good luck in them and the J.C

Raphael

Don't underestimate the mocks, you've never sat an exam that wasn't set/corrected by your teacher before

Corruptedmorals

Victor wrote:

Doing lower level maths at JC will affect your ability to do higher level maths at LC. It would certainly lead to a lot of catching up.

In my school if you did pass maths for JC they won't let you take higher for the LC. Same with all streamed subjects.

I did this years JC and there were some people in my year who got far too worked up about it and basically terminated their social lives completely over it. I think that's too far..especially when they start it the first week of september...

Squirrel

Corruptedmorals has the right idea. Don't overdo it

Corruptedmorals

I always do..

But there's no harm in wanting to get all A's in all honours..so long as you're actually able to do it without suffering a breakdown due to stress.

Squirrel

Corruptedmorals wrote:

I always do..

But there's no harm in wanting to get all A's in all honours..so long as you're actually able to do it without suffering a breakdown due to stress.

True. Let me get something straight, what I meant at the start is that the J.C isn't essential. I never said it was worthless. Its always nice to get good results as I did but its not the end of the world if you don't.

Does anyone know what the project for metalwork higher or ordinary.

I never thought I would get this many replies though

aidan_walsh

And let me be the first to tell you exactly how well that was conveyed in your first message.

Terribly. Lesson for the future? Think, then post.

Timothy Tickles

Junior Cert = Only an exam but still work for it
Leaving Cert = Only an exam but still work quite hard for it

I've been there done them both. Yes to an extent they are important but the pressure and the hype that surrounds these exams is fcuking ridiculous.

Don't worry about exams there are far more important things in life like your health and loved ones. Enjoy life, live it to the full, you're young so don't worry about exams!

Squirrel

doodle_sketch wrote:

And let me be the first to tell you exactly how well that was conveyed in your first message.

Terribly. Lesson for the future? Think, then post.

Good point. The 3rd years in my school were going through my head arguing about who's doing more studying, and the teachers are worse, loads of them still think I'm in 3rd year and complaining that we're not working. No-one knows the metalwork projects then?

Raphael

First post of 2005!

Mimikyu

This post has been deleted.

PurpleFistMixer

Huzzah!


Now the realisation that the mocks are, indeed, starting this month. Huh. Zah.

johnnyq

I agree with SQURIL JC is rubbish worth nothin, y waste ur time studin crap* 4 wat? 15 A's don't matter dumbass.

Raphael

Or, in english

"I agree with squireel, the JC is rubbish. It's worth nothing, why waste your time studying crap? For what? 15 A's doesn't matter dumbass

Or, in common sense

"TROLLING TROLL TROLL I'M A MUPPET!!!one"

This clarification brought to you by Raphael. Bored on the internet since August 2003

Jackewacky

First post of 2010.
Mocks (pre's) next week, and I'm studying mad for it.
Is it just teachers supervising?

Ronan Keating

In before the lockout.

Jackobyte

Jackewacky wrote: »

First post of 2010.
Mocks (pre's) next week, and I'm studying mad for it.
Is it just teachers supervising?

It's been dead since January 2005 so it's not that hard to be the first post of 2010

Ronan Keating

Well done Jackobyte - first post of 19:00 hours in 2010.

Fad

Jackewacky wrote: »

First post of 2010.
Mocks (pre's) next week, and I'm studying mad for it.
Is it just teachers supervising?