black/death

slssprite

Hm, ok...Is anyone here listening to such music?...I hope, yes.

Some questions:
1)Any specialized (in these styles) shops, where I can buy music cds. (dublin)

2) Are there any bands?...Just interested to listen to anything in reality...

Geranium

I know pretty much nothing about death but I like black. Apart from Sound Cellar I don't know where you can buy them. Tower are usually quite good though. Good bands....well aside from Emperor, Darkthrone, Mayhem etc. other good ones are Hecate Enthroned and Behemoth. Zyklon are also good but they're not strictly black. And if you're looking for something with more keyboard poncerey and top hats try Dimmu Borgir. Check out Black Metal Radio online where you can listen to loads of them and find ones you like.
Enjoy!

P.S. Marduk aren't half as good as they're cracked up to be.

slssprite

1) Thanks, but when i was last time in tower i didnt find some bands like gorgoroth, burzum, amon amarth...

2)I didnt mean those popular worldwide bands!...I know them. I meant _irish_ black/death bands. Underground, not famous, any...

Geranium

I think I saw Burzum in HMV once....but yeah you have a point. Go to central Europe and buy around twenty of them for fifty euro. Ireland smells when it comes to CDs. Sol Axis are the only good Irish BM band I know of but there are probably others. Maniac Butcher are very good. They're from eastern Europe somewhere. They have great covers that are even cheesier than Immortals.

Karl Hungus

Irish bands, eh?

Check out Hexxed, Primordial, Waylander, Mael Mordha, Belinus, Stand Up Guy... Loads others.

Have a look at www.metalireland.com for a pretty comprehensive list of Irish metal.

slssprite

Ok thanks to everyone.

Pugsley

Sherman m4 are a superb band from Galway, if at all possable, do yourself a favour and get some of their stuff, phenomonall stuff.

Sheol

Karl Hungus wrote:

Irish bands, eh?

Check out Hexxed, Primordial, Waylander, Mael Mordha, Belinus, Stand Up Guy... Loads others.

Have a look at www.metalireland.com for a pretty comprehensive list of Irish metal.

wow..that's a great site! finally all..or most bands..on one site..

my favs so far are coldwar and the swarm...amazing stuff!!

roper are pretty good too tho...

Sonic Titan

Coldwar and The Swarm are hardly Black/Death Metal or am i missing something?

Sheol

Sonic Titan wrote:

Coldwar and The Swarm are hardly Black/Death Metal or am i missing something?

so..what would you call them, then?

Sonic Titan

To me they'd both be Hardcore bands. Sorry for being pernickity by the way.

John

Go to Sound Cellar for all your metal needs.

If you like Burzum, try the Swans early stuff. The first couple of Burzum albums remind me of Swans stuff, check out Greed/Holy Money, Filth and Public Castration Is A Good Idea. They're found in the rock and pop section of Tower but they're far from rock and pop. Very very heavy and very very unpleasent.

Sheol

Sonic Titan wrote:

To me they'd both be Hardcore bands. Sorry for being pernickity by the way.

ah..i see...well i guess you're right then...i think i'm not quite up to date with all the technical terms...nu-metal, hardcore, metalcore...i keep simplistic and call everything..heavy, black or death metal...*lol* hm...maybe i should update tho...

BobTheBeat

Try Abaddon Incarnate. Unbelievable stuff..... Seen these guys in Limerick a couple o times.

Executive Steve

whatever happened to arcane sun? they were wicked... saw them with primordial and the late lamented [well.. by me anyway] dreamsfear in slattery's years ago...


do you guys take all the "evil satanic anger" stuff seriously? i always find it really hard not to burst out laughing when i hear stuff like dimmu borgir or cradle of filth...

Sonic Titan

Black Metal is an awesome Metal force. I listen to lots of different Metal and Black has to be one of the best genres. I know the image of the bands can be hard to take but you should look past the image and focus on the music. After all, Metal is not about Image but the power of the Music.

Karl Hungus

[cm]tyranny wrote:

do you guys take all the "evil satanic anger" stuff seriously? i always find it really hard not to burst out laughing when i hear stuff like dimmu borgir or cradle of filth...

Personally, I think you have to take the likes of Dimmu with a sense of tongue-in-cheek, over-the-top overstatement. This is in fact a band who use an extreme amount of orchestrations, so subtlety isn't really in their vocabulary really.

To be honest, I don't buy into any of the so-called 'Anger' in metal.

John

Not even St. Anger?

ShadowFax

Some black is OK, MOST IS CRAP !!

Try out some melodic Death like Dark Tranquillity. They ****in rock. Unbelievable.

Anyone ever hear of a Irish melodicdeath band called "Mephitis". They got a kick ass fukin demo out couple of years ago and made it onto a few compilations.

www.sentinelireland.com (InUnison Compilation) Best of the Irish Metal scene!! Check it out

Karl Hungus

ShadowFax wrote:

Some black is OK, MOST IS CRAP !!

Lies!

Immortal, Enslaved, Emperor, Arcturus, to name just a few... Phenominal stuff.

ShadowFax

Heard one BM band, you heard em all !!!

Different strokes for different folks dude !!!

If your looking for good music check out mailorder

www.sentinelireland.com

loads of ****, based in wicklow

Karl Hungus

ShadowFax wrote:

Heard one BM band, you heard em all !!!

That's absolute horse****. Are you saying that Arcturus sound like everything else? Or for that matter, Enslaved?

You sound like you just plain don't know what you're talking about. Which bands have you heard?

John

Isn't melodic death metal a bit of an oxymoron? I always thought death metal was the antithesis of melody

Birdman

I Listen to a bit of Cannibal corpse and Death.
I wouldn't go lookin for it.

Karl Hungus

John2 wrote:

Isn't melodic death metal a bit of an oxymoron? I always thought death metal was the antithesis of melody

Not really, check out some bands like At The Gates, Arch Enemy, In Flames (early stuff) and while they're fairly harsh in their style, there's plenty of melody there.

Sheol

John2 wrote:

Isn't melodic death metal a bit of an oxymoron? I always thought death metal was the antithesis of melody

i'd say it totally depends on the perspective...from my experience: when you're into that kind of music you begin discover all its beautiful melodic components...but if you generally hear 'lighter' stuff it all sounds like noice to you..

my absolute fav is naglfar...simply amazing!
(not irish tho...)

John

I can't really get into a lot of death metal so I suppose that doesn't help me. And the bands that Karl listed as death metal I thought were just regular heavy metal.

Sheol

oh..uhm..and naglfar is actually black metal...with death influences or something..oh nevermind...

ShadowFax

Karl Hungus wrote:

That's absolute horse****. Are you saying that Arcturus sound like everything else? Or for that matter, Enslaved?

You sound like you just plain don't know what you're talking about. Which bands have you heard?

I don't know what I'm talking about, HORSE**** dude. I've been listening to and collecting all types of death and black for the last 15 years as well as playing this type of music for years !!

I was into enslaved, Arcturus, Immortal back in the day, before it was fashionable and every little dick was going round wearing immortal, emperor shirts. Being a musician, I can destinguish between a band that can properly play their instruments and those that can't, and just keep repeating themselves album after album.

Which band's have I heard ??? Have you got a couple of hours, I heard possibly every poxy black and death band on the planet, from tape trading years and years ago, boxes and boxes of old demos, inc Arturus, Immortal, and Enslaved and hundreds and hundreds of cd's, 7" & 12" albums, ep's blah blah blah.

You name it, I've heard it !!!!!!!!!!!!

Karl Hungus

Hey, great for you, want a medal?

So if you think that "Heard one, heard 'em all" then I say "Pull the other one" to your above statement.

ShadowFax

Karl Hungus wrote:

Hey, great for you, want a medal?

So if you think that "Heard one, heard 'em all" then I say "Pull the other one" to your above statement.

Obviously your knowledge of music doesnt go very far, I don't wanna start ****, couldn't be fukin bothered.

Take up an Instrument dude, that's the only way your gonna know what's **** and whats not!!

Happy New Year

Karl Hungus

ShadowFax wrote:

Take up an Instrument dude

Oh that's a good one!

feylya

Ah, I needed that laugh

Geranium

I agree with Feylya and suggest that everyone take a nice cup of tea before posting any more dangerously angst ridden messages.

ShadowFax

Notice all the dudes that thought that was funny, probably dont play anything except with themselves!!!!

You'll never know what it's like to play that sort of music, I kinda feel sorry for ye, keep listening, cos thats all you'll ever be able to do. !!!

End of discussion

Karl Hungus

ShadowFax wrote:

Notice all the dudes that thought that was funny, probably dont play anything except with themselves!!!!

No, let me explain why it's funny.
You come in here, make some grand statements, then tell me to take up an instrument without any knowledge of me, nor what instruments I can play or how well I can play them. Now that alone is a pretty silly thing to do, simply because it's ignorant to make such assumptions about people, but the funny part is how wrong your assumption is. Now I'm certainly not one to blow my own horn, but just peeking into the instruments board you can see just how much I'm into the playing end of music.

And even moreso funny that you say "All the dudes who thought it was funny probably don't play anything" yet, who else thought it was funny? One of the best guitarists boards has to offer.

So that's your "End Of Discussion" for you.

feylya

ShadowFax wrote:

Notice all the dudes that thought that was funny, probably dont play anything except with themselves!!!!

I'd love to hear your logic behind this statement. Now, I'm not a death/black metal fan at all. I'll gladly admit that. But I do play a lot of guitar and some bass and I enjoy some of the guitarists in the black/death metal scene.

That said, I still find this thread damn funny. This sort of stuff can't be scripted!!!

ShadowFax

And even moreso funny that you say "All the dudes who thought it was funny probably don't play anything" yet, who else thought it was funny? One of the best guitarists boards has to offer.

I seriously ****in doubt it.

Lets just go back to you thinkin Arcturus and Enslaved are great and not having a ****in clue!! BUMP

Giblet

ShadowFax wrote:

And even moreso funny that you say "All the dudes who thought it was funny probably don't play anything" yet, who else thought it was funny? One of the best guitarists boards has to offer.

I seriously ****in doubt it.

Lets just go back to you thinkin Arcturus and Enslaved are great and not having a ****in clue!! BUMP

Still on our little trip are we?

Just because you listen to wanky toneless crap doesn't mean that is all there is. How do we know you dont just chug on the E string for a while and hamfist out a few solos with the treble turned up full.

Back it up, or shut up.

John

If by hearing one black metal band you've heard them all, why bother collecting that mass of recordings? When I don't think much of a type of music I just don't get any more. Or did you all of a sudden mature after 15 years and couldn't listen to the music anymore? (Although from your posts I see no sign of maturity)

Karl Hungus

John2 wrote:

If by hearing one black metal band you've heard them all, why bother collecting that mass of recordings?

ShadowFax

Karl, I have to give you some credit, With a picture of Chuck and "The Philospher"....a fukin kick ass song with serious guitar & bass riffs and some intense drumming, Individual Thought patterns is a fukin classic album, I love it.

Gotta commend you on that !!!

Karl check out the following link;

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4060383635&ssPageName=STRK:MEUS:IT

If your looking for a copy, let me know, I'll sort you out, my bands even on it !!!

Plus if you've heard anything about "Inunision" Irish metal compilation, get it, my bands on that too!!

www.sentinelireland.com


Dont wanna fight guys, its the new year and all that !! Karl, what other black/death you listen too???

Karl Hungus

ShadowFax wrote:

Dont wanna fight guys, its the new year and all that !! Karl, what other black/death you listen too???

That's cool so.

As for what black/death I'd listen to, I've simply not the time to get into the bulk of it, I listen to a LOT of different stuff, not just in aforementioned genres.

Suffice to say here's a few favorite bands of said genres I'm a fan of:

Opeth
Death
Emperor
Enslaved
Sigh
Morbid Angel
Behemoth
Carcass
Immortal

You get the idea.

ShadowFax

Suffice to say here's a few favorite bands of said genres I'm a fan of:

Opeth
Death
Emperor
Enslaved
Sigh
Morbid Angel
Behemoth
Carcass
Immortal

Death rock big time, into early emperor, early enslaved, Morid Angel are intense, love carcass, seen em in dublin sometime in early 90's, kick ass gig, into early immortal.

Some of the **** I'd listen too would be;

Arch Enemy,
In Flames,
Dark Tranquillity,
Primordial, into alot of irish bands,
At the Gates,
Autopsy, early stuff
Napalm Death, early
Bolt Thrower, early
Death,
Deicide,
My dying bride,
Dismember
Entombed, early
Paradise Lost
Vader
Six Feet Under
Pestilence
Opeth, early
Nile,
Obituary, early,
Carcass
Katatonia
Amorphis, kick ass
Deranged
Dimmu Borgir
NightWish
Venom,
Therion

plus hundreds more. Into alot of underground bands, some by now defunct, other with crappy little deals, some are alot better than bands currently with deals !!

ShadowFax

check out the following link for gigs in dublin, of fairly ok bands, ran by a veteran of the irish metal scene;

some cool bands they bring over, might interest you;

http://www.emeraldpromotions.8m.com/

John

Paradise lost, there's a band you don't hear mentioned often. Shame really because their old stuff is deadly. Not so hot on their latter days though.

Sheol

ShadowFax wrote:

Amorphis, kick ass

hell yeah! amorphis are deadly!! but mainly the old stuff..'a tale from a thousand lakes' was their best album i'd say. 'far from the sun' took a while to get used to..more rock than metal...but you gotta give them credit for the lyrics..great stuff!

was lucky enough to see them last summer, before pasi left...don't think they'll be the same without him!

ShadowFax

have to agree Paradise Lost kick ass, there latest stuff is fairly ****. Seen em live in 90's in dublin around ICON, excellent.

Think, Shades of God or Gothic was their best.

John

Gothic would be my choice

ShadowFax

"Gothic" Rocks dude, but listen to As i Die, full fukin blast, legendary !!

Karl Hungus

Have to concur about Paradise Lost, I was quite the fan years ago, but I saw them live there two years ago, and they were definetly lacking.