which one is faster???

walter · 18-12-2004 3:27pm #1

Sempron 1.8mhg or amdxp 1.8mhg

they all have the same L1 L2,the only different is fsb,which one is faster?

galwaydude18 · 18-12-2004 3:39pm

id say the amd xp 1.8. the sempron is the baby brother of the amd xp!

walter · 18-12-2004 3:48pm

3d mark 2003 test
sempron 1.8G @ 180 fsb cup test =460
amd xp 1.8G @ 133 fsb cpu test= 410

galwaydude18 · 18-12-2004 3:54pm

yes but the the intel p4 has a baby brother (intel celeron) and is faster in every respect. The amd xp is the big brother of its sempron and will be better in the long run!

galwaydude18 · 18-12-2004 3:55pm

also look at your 3d mark test. the sempron is set to 180fsb while the xp is set to 133fsb thats why the results are different!

Dempsey · 18-12-2004 4:08pm

galwaydude18 wrote:

also look at your 3d mark test. the sempron is set to 180fsb while the xp is set to 133fsb thats why the results are different!

And this is why its better :rolleyes:

galwaydude18 · 18-12-2004 4:10pm

dempsey i would honestly say you know why that is better! you are experienced in computers!!!

Dempsey · 18-12-2004 4:28pm

galwaydude18 wrote:

dempsey i would honestly say you know why that is better! you are experienced in computers!!!

I dunno if your being sarcastic or not

They are both rated at 1.8G but the Sempron is using a faster FSB which means faster memory can be used. If the CPU can access the ram faster then the chip is better.

walter · 18-12-2004 8:39pm

does the cpu test marks in 3dmark Relates with ram?

walter · 18-12-2004 8:41pm

P4 2.0 OC 2.4 3DMARK 2003 CPU TEST 449 ,LOL system bus 480

Dempsey · 19-12-2004 1:49am

walter wrote:

P4 2.0 OC 2.4 3DMARK 2003 CPU TEST 449 ,LOL system bus 480

Wha??

BloodBath · 19-12-2004 4:52am

Semprons are better than xp's at the same speed. Any benchmark will back this up.

BloodBath

TacT · 19-12-2004 12:55pm

BloodBath wrote:

Semprons are better than xp's at the same speed. Any benchmark will back this up.

BloodBath

this is all that matters sempr0n>xp

Kazujo · 19-12-2004 2:04pm

The Xp's have more cache than the Sempron's which can make a difference though

walter · 19-12-2004 3:05pm

Kazujo wrote:

The Xp's have more cache than the Sempron's which can make a difference though

both have same L1 and L2 except barton

gline · 20-12-2004 4:33pm

walter wrote:

3d mark 2003 test
sempron 1.8G @ 180 fsb cup test =460
amd xp 1.8G @ 133 fsb cpu test= 410

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Since when do people use 3dmark to benchmark cpus, u would be better off using different programs for that, like pcmark or sisoft?? correct me if im wrong

airetam_storm · 24-12-2004 8:07pm

Yeah i dont see how 3dmark came into this either

Thought semprons were just a cut down XPs?

BloodBath · 24-12-2004 9:19pm

Thought semprons were just a cut down XPs?

No they are cut down a64's.

BloodBath

gline · 24-12-2004 9:31pm

didnt think they were 64bit?? are they???

Dempsey · 24-12-2004 11:20pm

Semprons are better than Xp's

padraigf · 24-12-2004 11:26pm

gline, they have the 64bit abilities cut. Made with them then theyre disabled.

Stark · 24-12-2004 11:26pm

There are 2 types of Sempron. The Socket A version is a new version of the XPs, and the Socket 754 version is an Athlon64 with the 64-bit components disabled. The Socket A Semprons are not that good apparently and will run slower than an XP at the same clock speed (though they come in higher clock speeds so it's like the Pentium 3 vs Pentium 4 argument). The Socket 754 Semprons are supposed to be great value chips though.

Re: Sempron being baby brother of XP

The Sempron is the replacement for the Athlon XP. The baby brother of the Athlon XP is the Duron. I don't think they'll be making Durons any more since the Sempron will be becoming the new budget chip, the Athlon64 the new mainstream chip and the AthlonFX the new performance(insanely priced) chip.

gline · 25-12-2004 12:22am

cool, thanks for the info lads

Digi_Tilmitt · 25-12-2004 11:55pm

The socket a sempr0n's are just renamed thoroughbred's. Better off with a Barton. The socket 754 sempr0n's have better clock for clock performance than a barton though, despite their lesser cache, due to the massive performance increase of the on-die memory controller.

airetam_storm · 28-12-2004 5:16pm

thanx STARK that clear the semprons up

Redrocket · 02-01-2005 2:59pm

hey walter you stoned monkey, are you talking about the socket A versions?
then go for the xp, the sempron is a crippled version of the xp

po0k · 03-01-2005 9:41am

galwaydude18 wrote:

yes but the the intel p4 has a baby brother (intel celeron) and is faster in every respect. The amd xp is the big brother of its sempron and will be better in the long run!

:sigh:

The lower-end (SocketA) Semperons are AthlonXP cores in just about every respect.

The higher-end (Socket754) Semperons are just Athlon64s that have either been castrated down to effectively AthlonXP level (just 32-bit, but with the onboard memory controller) or are Athlon64s where they didn't work in 64-bit but were functional at 32-bit and were binned accordingly.

The AthlonXP/MP is/was the "Big brother" (read: mainstream/high-end part) of the Duron, which was the low-end/budget part.

The Semperon is now replacing the Duron as the low-end/budget part in AMD's product line, with the Athlon64 as the mainstream and the Athlon64fx / Opteron as the High-end/Enterprise parts.

Intel has the Celeron and Pentium 4 parts for low-end and mainstream with the top-speed P4s and P4EEs for high-end, with the XeonDP for Workstation and XeonMP for the enterprise, with the Itanium family for really high-end//Big Iron stuff.

Please do a little reading on a few of the tech sites listed in the stickies before commenting

{edit} just saw Stark's post

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astrofool · 03-01-2005 4:00pm

the sempron actually seems to be a tiny bit faster than the old AthlonXP at the same speed/cache. Whether its down to a more efficient core layout, updating microcode or something else is unknown as AMD haven't released any official reason why there should be this small difference.

gline · 03-01-2005 9:35pm

so basically the sempron replaces duron on socket A boards, where did u hear that the sempron is better than XP, got any links???

po0k · 04-01-2005 4:52pm

gline wrote:

so basically the sempron replaces duron on socket A boards, where did u hear that the sempron is better than XP, got any links???

no-no, the Semperon replaces Duron and AthlonXP in socket A, and creates a budget chip for socket 754 and 939 boards.

From a functionality pov, the sktA and skt754/939 Semperons are the same as AthlonXPs/Durons (ignoring cache sizes and mem controllers).

This really isn't that hard a concept to grasp, it's just a bit of product re-adjustment to fill in market gaps.

gline · 04-01-2005 5:14pm

SyxPak wrote:

(ignoring cache sizes and mem controllers).

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which would be faster on socket A an athlon XP or sempron at equal speeds???? thats all i wanted to kno.

Dempsey · 04-01-2005 6:17pm

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2139&p=6

First page is General Usage but if you go to page 8 i think they benchmark them for games

gline · 04-01-2005 9:09pm

Dempsey wrote:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2139&p=6

First page is General Usage but if you go to page 8 i think they benchmark them for games

Thanks man, some good reading

Redrocket · 05-01-2005 7:31am

the sempron 2800 doesnt beat the athlon 2500 by much in those graphs......
the 2600 beats it in some tests.....
id like to see a comparison with the xp 2800.
****in cripple

gline · 05-01-2005 9:31am

Yeh it looks like a high spec athlon XP is still the way to go on socket A's, like a 3200

po0k · 05-01-2005 4:11pm

Why sktA at all?
Get yourself a skt754 or 939 board and a matching Semperon, you can upgrade to an A64 later without changing your board.

gline · 05-01-2005 4:29pm

SyxPak wrote:

Why sktA at all?
Get yourself a skt754 or 939 board and a matching Semperon, you can upgrade to an A64 later without changing your board.

Well its not for me, so watever comes cheapest, hehehehe

which one is faster???

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