everyone is in such a rush these days!!

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 6:17pm #1

Was just driving home on the m50 north bound from dundrum.. approx 5.30..

As you all probably know the limit at that stretch of the m50 is 60mph.. So i'm in the 'fast' lane pretty much dead on 60mph.. There is an astra behind me, the astra is behind me for a couple of minutes and then decides to flash me... and i'm just thinking WTF!! i'm not doin anything wrong!! this impatient prick had plenty of time to overtake me way before this but doesn't.. instead he flashes me

Obviously i don't do anythin and stick to my speed,, eventually he overtakes me and while doing so he gives me a dirty look :mad: :mad:

What the **** is wrong with people.. the limit is there for a reason.. the guy was such a dumbass.. so much so that within seconds later i had passed him whilst taking my exit.. not only did he overtake me for no reason and breaking the limit while doing so.. once he did he basically came to a dead stop because of the traffic.. i had to laugh to myself when i passed him.. he's probably still on the m50

Alun · 09-12-2004 6:21pm

newband wrote:

What the **** is wrong with people.. the limit is there for a reason..

If there is, I'd like to know what it is ... must be those really savage bends

dahamsta · 09-12-2004 6:50pm

newband wrote:

i'm in the 'fast' lane pretty much dead on 60mph.

There's no such thing as a "fast lane" in Ireland. The lane you were in is an overtaking lane, which is intended for the sole use of overtaking slower-moving traffic, hence the name. When you're finished overtaking you're supposed to move back into the left-hand lane as soon as traffic permits. Your speed or the speed of the person behind you has has no bearing whatsoever on this.

If I could, I would have this stamped in reverse on the forehead of every driver in Ireland, so it'd be the first thing they'd see when they got up in the morning. Take a trip to Spain for yourself asap, you might learn a thing or two about using lanes correctly.

adam

Canis Lupus · 09-12-2004 7:22pm

agrees with da hamsta.... it is simply the most infuriating thing IN THE WORLD when u come up behind a driver in the right hand lane and they won't pull in as they are supposed to.

EDIT: altho I still agree with the sentiment.

Silvera · 09-12-2004 7:46pm

What makes me laugh are the simpletons who speed up to overtake you (when you are already doing the speed limit) only to take the next exit which is literally minutes away ! Gob*****s

dahamsta · 09-12-2004 7:52pm

Silvera wrote:

What makes me laugh are the simpletons who speed up to overtake you (when you are already doing the speed limit) only to take the next exit which is literally minutes away !

Ever think they just didn't want to drive behind you?

Silvera · 09-12-2004 7:58pm

What is the point in overtaking, moving into the outside lane, only to return to the inside lane and take the next (fast approaching!) exit ?!

Answer: there is no point !

A pointless manouver that shows the immaturity/lack of knowledge of such drivers.

seamus · 09-12-2004 7:58pm

I'm constantly flashing morons on the N4 to get out of my way. Some people seem to think you'll catch something if you drive in the empty left-hand lane.

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 8:01pm

dahamsta wrote:

There's no such thing as a "fast lane" in Ireland. The lane you were in is an overtaking lane, which is intended for the sole use of overtaking slower-moving traffic, hence the name. When you're finished overtaking you're supposed to move back into the left-hand lane as soon as traffic permits. Your speed or the speed of the person behind you has has no bearing whatsoever on this.

If I could, I would have this stamped in reverse on the forehead of every driver in Ireland, so it'd be the first thing they'd see when they got up in the morning. Take a trip to Spain for yourself asap, you might learn a thing or two about using lanes correctly.

adam

just to let you know.. i was doing exactly 60mph in a 60mph zone.. do you permit the use of speeding to overtake?

i would understand if i was going slowly in the 'fast' lane.. but i wasn't.. i was at the speed limit.. So i see no reason to move over for some ignorant prick who flashes me cos he's an impatient bastard..

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 8:03pm

seamus wrote:

I'm constantly flashing morons on the N4 to get out of my way. Some people seem to think you'll catch something if you drive in the empty left-hand lane.

the other lane wasn't empty.. this was in the middle of rush hour.. i see no reason to move out of the way of people who insist on speeding.. i wasn't causing any kind of obstruction by driving too slow

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 8:05pm

dahamsta wrote:

There's no such thing as a "fast lane" in Ireland. The lane you were in is an overtaking lane, which is intended for the sole use of overtaking slower-moving traffic, hence the name.

adam

and i was overtaking people by the way..

seamus · 09-12-2004 9:51pm

newband wrote:

just to let you know.. i was doing exactly 60mph in a 60mph zone.. do you permit the use of speeding to overtake?

i would understand if i was going slowly in the 'fast' lane.. but i wasn't.. i was at the speed limit.. So i see no reason to move over for some ignorant prick who flashes me cos he's an impatient bastard..

You move over because that's the law. That's your reason. You were doing 60mph, well done. His speed is none of your concern. If he flashes you to overtake, you must pull in (where/when safe) and allow him to pass. I use flashing because it's a non-aggressive way of letting someone know you wish to overtake them.

i see no reason to move out of the way of people who insist on speeding.. i wasn't causing any kind of obstruction by driving too slow

Actually, my statement wasn't directed at you. But by not allowing him to pass, you *are* causing an obstruction, and you can be done for any of a plethora of offences.

The key here is that the right-hand lane is an overtaking lane. You should treat it like you would when overtaking on a single-lane road - i.e. move out, overtake, move back in. If there's a car 400m in front of you, going slower then you, you are wrong to remain in the right-hand lane until you reach it. If there is a considerable gap between two vehicles in the left-hand lane, you must overtake one, pull in, follow correct procedure when you reach the second one, pull out and overtake, and pull in again.

We already know it's an offence to obstruct (or otherwise make life difficult for) someone if they wish to overtake you. The same rule applies here. Iirc mackerski also posted up evidence of why it's an offence to remain in the right-hand lane when not overtaking.

fletch · 09-12-2004 9:58pm

So i'm in the 'fast' lane pretty much dead on 60mph.. There is an astra behind me....i'm not doin anything wrong!! this impatient prick had plenty of time to overtake me way before this but doesn't.. instead he flashes me...Obviously i don't do anythin and stick to my speed,, eventually he overtakes me

I am a bit confused....You were in the "fast lane" and he overtook you? Did he drive along the grass on the central reservation or did you move aside or did he undertake you?

Seth Brundle · 09-12-2004 9:59pm

seamus wrote:

But by not allowing him to pass, you *are* causing an obstruction, and you can be done for any of a plethora of offences.

Unfortunatley as there is no real traffic plicing in this country then can should be re-written as 'could but more than likely won't'!

fletch · 09-12-2004 10:02pm

Just because you are doing 60mph does not give you the right to enforce the speed limit on other road users. If they want to break the law that is their business. My advice, move aside and leave them at it. Why bother agravating the situation when there is no need.
Also wtf were you sitting in the overtaking lane for, it's name as it suggests is for overtaking

is_that_so · 09-12-2004 10:06pm

newband wrote:

Was just driving home on the m50 north bound from dundrum.. approx 5.30..

As you all probably know the limit at that stretch of the m50 is 60mph.. So i'm in the 'fast' lane pretty much dead on 60mph.. There is an astra behind me, the astra is behind me for a couple of minutes and then decides to flash me... and i'm just thinking WTF!! i'm not doin anything wrong!! this impatient prick had plenty of time to overtake me way before this but doesn't.. instead he flashes me

Flashing is downright rude. I lose all ability to accelerate when it happens, blinded as I am by the light and get slower and slower. Seamus would be well upset with me.

Seth Brundle · 09-12-2004 10:07pm

erm Fletch, he did say this...

newband wrote:

and i was overtaking people by the way..

Quatre Mains · 09-12-2004 10:15pm

Hello Newband
when you say you were overtaking do you mean 2 or 3 cars, or was the other lane full?

is_that_so · 09-12-2004 10:24pm

Johnnycabs wrote:

Hello Newband
I am just posting to support what seamus and others have said. Safe driving isn't just about speed limits - if someone wants to go past you should let them. If they want to speed thats not your problem nor is it your place to try policing that. While I do sympathise with your standpoint on one level, you need to bear in mind that actions like these could result in another driver getting wound up and making an irresponsible undertaking maneouvre. You can shrug your shoulders and say not your problem, but I would urge you to think about it.

Seamus's approach to driving is not safe . By his own admission the road is full of morons. That seems to suggest a somewhat irrational attitude to driving. The overtaking lane is the outside lane, however in heavy traffic where you have no option to move in , it becomes a normal lane. I agree with newband but also acknowledge that those in the overtaking lane are not policing others speed limit. That notwithstanding a little bit of patience will not go amiss. We all stand a chance of getting home safely that way .

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 10:24pm

exacty!!! i was overtaking people ffs!!

To be honest i don't give a **** what the law says, i was in the so called fast lane, going 60mph.. its heavy traffic i, As i said, i was NOT causing an obstruction..

if the situation was reversed i would

A) Not do a ****ing thing because the person in front is travelling as fast as the SPEED LIMIT allows legally.. and i wouldn't see that as an obstruction ffs!

or

If by chance the person in front was going considerably less than what the speed limit allows, then i would over/undertake.. I would NOT flash my lights.. because it's fúckin childish and pointless..

Jesus christ people, if this is how everyone reacts when someone's not going as fast as the driver behind them would like them to.. then it's no fúckin wonder there's so many deaths on the roads:rolleyes:

Seth Brundle · 09-12-2004 10:35pm

1. there is not fast lane - remember that!
2. what was the road like in front of you - were there many cars? Im assuming not as otherwise he wouldn't have bothered to flash you. Were you going much faster than the cars you were overtaking?

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 10:41pm

kbannon wrote:

1. there is not fast lane - remember that!
2. what was the road like in front of you - were there many cars? Im assuming not as otherwise he wouldn't have bothered to flash you. Were you going much faster than the cars you were overtaking?

i know i know. but read my post

i was in the so called fast lane

No there weren't many cars in front.. and i wasn't going much faster than everyone else.. i'd say everyone else was at around 55+mph and i was dead on 60.. so i wasn't overtaking in lightening speed or anything like that..

Seth Brundle · 09-12-2004 10:43pm

my understanding then is that you were pretty much blocking the overtaking lane!

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 10:45pm

no.. i was overtaking in the overtaking lane.. the overtaking lane is not a lane where you must drive considerably faster then everyone else.. it is for overtaking.. which is what i was doing.

Bogger77 · 09-12-2004 10:47pm

If I remember, Newband's driving on a provisional license, and shouldn't have been on any motorway, let alone be driving badly and incorrectly on one!

that's my 2c.

Seth Brundle · 09-12-2004 10:47pm

how can you overtake responsibly by doing less than 5mph more than the vehicle you are passing? You could have driven all the way round from Dundrum to tallaght during that manouvre then! An overtaking manouvre should be short and quick!

Seth Brundle · 09-12-2004 10:48pm

furthermore, "and i was dead on 60." - were you concentrating on overtaking or your speed?

is_that_so · 09-12-2004 10:48pm

The act of overtaking is: indicate , move out , execute the manoeuvre and move back in when it is safe to do so

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 10:49pm

how can you overtake responsibly by doing less than 5mph more than the vehicle you are passing? You could have driven all the way round from Dundrum to tallaght during that manouvre then! An overtaking manouvre should be short and quick!

oh.. well i didn't know that:rolleyes:

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 10:51pm

kbannon wrote:

furthermore, "and i was dead on 60." - were you concentrating on overtaking or your speed?

well you know.. it IS the speed limit.. so i do try and make an effort to stay within the limit.. wtf is wrong with people!! god forbid i loose all concentration on the speed limit :rolleyes:

There isn't a whole lot of concentration involved.. when im at 60.. i stop pushing with my right foot, ya dig? Once i have done that i drive and then i overtake people... that's basically whats involved

RuggieBear · 09-12-2004 11:00pm

Bogger77 wrote:

If I remember, Newband's driving on a provisional license, and shouldn't have been on any motorway, let alone be driving badly and incorrectly on one!

that's my 2c.

tis not a motorway if the speed limit is 60mph.....

but i'm very much open to correction on that

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 11:02pm

Bogger77 wrote:

If I remember, Newband's driving on a provisional license, and shouldn't have been on any motorway, let alone be driving badly and incorrectly on one!

that's my 2c.

oh please :rolleyes:

and please explain how i was driving badly and incorrectly?? i'd love to know..

Is it because i was sticking to the speed limit? unlike others.. was it because i was overtaking a little slower than people would have liked, however still overtaking..

With all due respect, stick that 2c up your arse

Bogger77 · 09-12-2004 11:06pm

newband wrote:

oh please :rolleyes:

If you're not denying it, it's true then,

Get off the road, and quit whinging

you still driving the punto, that explains why you know you were doing 60, that car couldn't do more than 62, unless it's down hill

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 11:08pm

Bogger77 wrote:

If you're not denying it, it's true then,

Get off the road, and quit whinging

you still driving the punto, that explains why you know you were doing 60, that car couldn't do more than 62, unless it's down hill

ha ha,, such a child.. is that the best argument you got?? does your head whistle in a cross wind by any chance :rolleyes:

Bogger77 · 09-12-2004 11:09pm

RuggieBear wrote:

tis not a motorway if the speed limit is 60mph..... but i'm very much open to correction on that

Speed limit of 70 doesn't mean a motor, or vice versa, if you've driven from Holyhead to Manchester, you'll notice that most of the road is 70MPH, but not motor way. Motorways are governed by a special set of rules, min speeds, types of drivers allowed etc. 70 is the max, but 60 is usually found on "Dangerous" section (dangerous relative to motorways). 50MPH is common in UK for urban motorways.

edit the sections of the m50 currently marked 60 don't deserve to be, but given the traffic volumes that section usually has too much volume to be doing 70.

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 11:11pm

Bogger77 wrote:

edit the sections of the m50 currently marked 60 don't deserve to be, but given the traffic volumes that section usually has too much volume to be doing 70.

edit - are you actually condoning overtaking at considerable speed in a area with a large volume of traffic?? tut tut bogger, tut tut

Bogger77 · 09-12-2004 11:12pm

newband wrote:

60 was the limit... are you actually condoning overtaking at considerable speed in a 'dangerous' section?? tut tut bogger, tut tut

Please quote the whole section.

Bogger77 · 09-12-2004 11:14pm

Newband,
are you aware of the rules of the road, esp the regulations relating to travel on a motorway? I suggest you read them, and then as soon as you pass a test (not anytime soon, i reckon), put them into action on the roads of this country.

thank you, good night

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 11:14pm

i'll edit my post to match yours so

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 11:18pm

Bogger77 wrote:

Newband,
are you aware of the rules of the road, esp the regulations relating to travel on a motorway? I suggest you read them, and then as soon as you pass a test (not anytime soon, i reckon), put them into action on the roads of this country.

thank you, good night

well, that was inspiring bogger, truely inspiring..

i see you still have explained why i was driving badly.. again, was it because i wasn't breaking the spped limit?

Bogger77 · 09-12-2004 11:20pm

newband wrote:

60 was the limit... are you actually condoning overtaking at considerable speed in a 'dangerous' section?? tut tut bogger, tut tut

If you cannot safely complete any manoeuvre on the road, you should not attempt to. That includes, overtaking, moving from a junction. Other road users may show their disapproval of your ill-advised actions, by flashing their lights, giving you the bird or reporting you to the police.

Get over it. You expected sympathy from us, yet you admit to holding the overtaking lane of a motoway, sorry. Pass your test and you might get some.

RuggieBear · 09-12-2004 11:21pm

Bogger77 wrote:

edit the sections of the m50 currently marked 60 don't deserve to be, but given the traffic volumes that section usually has too much volume to be doing 70.

You could very well be right about eng....actually i heard that the sections of the M50 were 60mph, as they hadn't hooked up the emergency phones and as a consequence it couldn't be classified as motorway...which meant it couldn't get a 70mph limit....

admitedly that could all be bull**** as it was explained to me by a mate's father....

Bogger77 · 09-12-2004 11:22pm

newband wrote:

well, that was inspiring bogger, truely inspiring..

i see you still have explained why i was driving badly.. again, was it because i wasn't breaking the spped limit?

Ya see, most people have already told you what you were doing wrong, are you as slow as your car, You admit to being in the outside passing lane of a motorway, holding up faster moving traffic. That is an offence under the Road Traffic acts.

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 11:24pm

Bogger77 wrote:

If you cannot safely complete any manoeuvre on the road, you should not attempt to. That includes, overtaking, moving from a junction. Other road users may show their disapproval of your ill-advised actions, by flashing their lights, giving you the bird or reporting you to the police.

Get over it. You expected sympathy from us, yet you admit to holding the overtaking lane of a motoway, sorry. Pass your test and you might get some.

well explain to me how i did not complete the manoeuvre safely.. lets see, i moved into the overtaking lane after indicating.. i obviously overtook people, then moved back into the inside lane and then took my exit.. seems pretty safe to me.. what's not safe? would you prefer i break the speeding limit just to get it done a little quicker? say it isn't so :rolleyes:

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 11:25pm

Bogger77 wrote:

Ya see, most people have already told you what you were doing wrong, are you as slow as your car, You admit to being in the outside passing lane of a motorway, holding up faster moving traffic. That is an offence under the Road Traffic acts.

it is an offense to speed.. and i don't remember all the cars behind me flashing.. it was just one ignorant motorist with no patience..

are you saying i should dangerously move into the inside land when there is insufficient space to do so just to let the driver past?

is_that_so · 09-12-2004 11:27pm

RuggieBear wrote:

You could very well be right about eng....actually i heard that the sections of the M50 were 60mph, as they hadn't hooked up the emergency phones and as a consequence it couldn't be classified as motorway...which meant it couldn't get a 70mph limit....

admitedly that could all be bull**** as it was explained to me by a mate's father....

It's for gardai to issue penalty points.

Lots of people forget the speed limit there on that stretch

Bogger77 · 09-12-2004 11:29pm

RuggieBear wrote:

You could very well be right about eng....actually i heard that the sections of the M50 were 60mph, as they hadn't hooked up the emergency phones and as a consequence it couldn't be classified as motorway...which meant it couldn't get a 70mph limit....

admitedly that could all be bull**** as it was explained to me by a mate's father....

The main things that make a motorway are seperate flow of traffic, at least two lanes of traffic, and a safety lane (hard shoulder), restricted access to vehicles (no slow vehicles, small CC'd engines, no horses or bicyclists), restricted drivers (No L plate drivers), lack of interuptions to traffic flow (off ramps and fly overs, no roundbouts, or T junctions). The speed limit is normally higher than national ordinary roads, but just as N class roads can be reduced to 50/40 even though dual carraigeways (eg kilmacanoge? on N11), so can Motorways, for safety reasons or traffic volumes, like the M4 in UK where they reduce speed limits in heavy traffic using the electronic road signs, here we just reduce the limit 100% of the time.

70mph doesn't make a motorway, 60 MPH doesn't make it not a motorway. It's basically those Blue signs that make it one :-)

Bogger77 · 09-12-2004 11:31pm

is_that_so wrote:

It's for gardai to issue penalty points. Lots of people forget the speed limit there on that stretch

It's also for them to enforce the Road Traffic laws, not us. The advice, from Traffic cops is to let the speeding driver past you, and inform the cops, not as in Newbands case, hold him up by blocking a lane!

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-12-2004 11:34pm

you flash a lot of people don't ya.. it wasn't you who was behind me was it? relax man, you'll live longer.. whats the rush?

As i said, i'm not gonna break the limit or dangerously move into the inner lane when there is insufficient space to do so.. i'm not gettin myself killed because of some impatient bastard behind me.. cop on will ya :rolleyes:

is_that_so · 09-12-2004 11:35pm

Bogger77 wrote:

no roundbouts 70mph doesn't make a motorway, 60 MPH doesn't make it not a motorway. It's basically those Blue signs that make it one :-)

So neither M1 nor M50 are proper motorways . Only place I have ever seen two motorways connected by
- a roundabout
- traffic lights

Bogger77 · 09-12-2004 11:40pm

is_that_so wrote:

So neither M1 nor M50 are proper motorways . Only place I have ever seen two motorways connected by
- a roundabout
- traffic lights

The Roundabout at the m1/M50 junction is after the end of motorway restrictions, check the next time you pass through.

The junction ain't ideal, it was the cheapest to build and they are going to fix it, but until then when going from M1 South to M50 West, and from M50 East to M1 South, you actually go from via the N32.

everyone is in such a rush these days!!

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