OK so whats so rong with Limp Bizket?

-ADREN-

Dont get m rong im not saying they are brilliant nor am I saying they are the worst pice of **** ever .. cus in my opinion the worst of all is POP-Music any how gwan FEED me with uer opinions on how they are what they are why they are.

Dont be at yourself

Ah, but Limp Bizkit are pop music. pop = popular music. They're selling sh*tloads of cds. Not there's anything wrong with pop though. I doubt I could listen to metal music all the time - you need the light stuff as well

There's plenty wrong with Limp Bizkit though....

1) Fred Durst doesn't sing, he whines.
2) They swear so they appeal to 10 year olds (my generation anyone?)
3) They come across as such utter twats in interviews
4) They have facial hair issues.
5) They're nu-metal. And everybody knows that 'nu metal = sux0r!!1111111'
6) They've very few decent riffs in their songs
7) They try to be hip-hop/rap - oblivous to the fact that Fred Durst can't rap (getcha groove on anyone?)

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Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're an astronaught on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham! You just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man."
hello.

chernobyl

dont know really, cuz i never heard of that band.
but Limp Bizkit...the "MTV Cool" band...hmm, i dunno, just keep rollin rollin.

Sliotar

i think the "pop" adren is referring to is westlife/steps etc... there is quite a bit of difference between that and limp bizkit. im not a huge limp bizkit fan, but i think its unfair how most ppl hate them mainly because they have become successful. and fred durst does sing, have a listen to "the one". he does whine too, but for some reason i seem to be impervious to its effects, i dont have a problem with it. his rapping isnt amazing, but theres still a certain something about it. their guitar riffs are a matter of taste, i like 'em. i really would love to know where this blind unstoppable h8 of limp bizkit came from, i mean why??!

DEmeant0r

there's nothing wrong with Limp Bizkit but he does swear alot in songs, if you listen to linkin park there songs are absolutely fantastic and they don't swear AT ALL.

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So I sit here empty hearted.......To wonder who farted.

Klay

In response to NekkidBibleman's post:

1) Fred Durst Can sing, as proved in the songs Re-Arranged and My Way. He's better at screaming/rapping because that way you can feel what he's saying. Singing can't really do that.
2) Lots of bands swear in their songs. It doesn't mean they're aimed at 10 year old kids though.
3) Fred can get a little tongue-tied, but not Wes, he's very smart. Could you blame him? How would you cope with a barrage of questions under the spotlight?
4) ??? Wes has a goatee? So What?
5) Nu-metal? Greatest thing since sliced bread! Deftones, Korn, R.A.T.M..etc.
6) How about ALL of rearranged, the intro to Counterfeit and the heavy part of My Way...to name but a few.
7) I think you mean Hip-Hop/Metal. They invented it. Rapping = Rhyming. Most of his lyrics are rhymes.

As for ADREN..I'm assuming he meant Bubblegum/Boyband POP which is utter TRASH! Bizkit may be going POP admitedly...but so what? If you can make good music and still make lots of music..keep doing it

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harVee

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by -ADREN-:
cus in my opinion the worst of all is POP-Music</font>

This kind of talk is bordering on musical Nazism.
Listen to any Pet Shop Boys album and repeat that sentence. I dare you.

Miguel_Sanchez

Posted by Klay:

"I think you mean Hip-Hop/Metal. They invented it."

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Ehh.... no they didn't and even if they did it still doesn't make them any better.

Oh well I guess some peoples musical taste never develops past the age of 14.


YOU SHOULD ALL LISTEN TO FUGAZI.

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chernobyl

Korn invented Rap/Rock music and they now think thats "lame" and are now purely rock.

Shiminay

No way - Rage Against The Machine were doing it first.

Anyway - Limp Bizkit...

I think it's just Fred Durst everyone has a problem with They started off really well - 3 Dollar Bill Y'All is a fine album as is Significant Other, but Starfish is too (c)rappy for metal tastes and now that they're appealing to the 14 - 16 year old market (who'll buy anything), they're made up!

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Wes Borland rox yer jox - the next Tom Morello??? He can sing too - he did Bombtrack at Reading last year (I think it was Bombtrack). Their bass player is quite good too - Re-Arranged has a nice bass riff (that one springs to mind). Drums - OK, but nothing major. DJ Lethal - I dunno - I think his stuff fits in nicly, but it's not really a type of music I know too much about so I can't make too much comment.

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the fnj

I think people don't like them because there crap.

Do i need to follow this up with why there crap or is that not blindingly obvious and Rage did do rap rock before Korn but Korn did do it well and did a very different darker style to rage. Both are good bands,

black_wizardd

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Klay:

5) Nu-metal? Greatest thing since sliced bread! Deftones, Korn, R.A.T.M..etc.
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Death to false metal, how that s hite (bar RATM's first album, that had feeling and talent) ever got classed as "metal" is beyond me.

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boddah

Dont slag off nu metal; if it wasnt for that we would not have the revolution we have in metal today.
korn, deftoned, RATM are fantastic bands, but Limp Bizkit do not deserve the Nu Metal tag

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Durty auld MORRIS drums...
they're fu*kin' great!!

the celtic tiger

i'm hopefully going to see limp bizkit in june. I don't particularly like them, but it will be a great laugh. all the moshing and what not.

Karl Hungus

God damn it people...

Limp Bizkit did NOT invent Rap/Metal...

KoRn did not invent Rap/Metal

RATM did not invent Rap/Metal


It predates ALL of thos bands...


Do you want to know who did it?
Do you?

It was Aerosmith and Run DMC.
They collaborated on "Walk This Way" bak in the early 80's.

THAT very song was the thing that started the whole Rap/Rock Rap/Metal thing.

Way back when Fred Durst was still wearing Diapers. (He wore diapers untill he was 12, apparently.)

-ADREN-

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by harVee:
This kind of talk is bordering on musical Nazism.
Listen to any Pet Shop Boys album and repeat that sentence. I dare you.

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Ok yes when i said POP i ment westlife and so on like britany spears and fcuking s club 7... pet shop boys ... John lennon ... ect .. sound

Dont be at yourself

In response to Klay's post:

1) A lot of my favourite bands scream in their songs. Fred Durst, however, does not. He whines - he's like a frigging banshee. As for your examples, all I can say is:
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeearaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanged.

2) So, pray tell, why are 80% of Limp Bizkit's fans 10 year olds?

3) Actually, I wasn't referring to their idiocy (but thanks for highlighting it ). Its not what they say, its the way they say it, so to speak.

4) Come off it, they all have dodgy facial hair. Goatees, sideburns, the lot.

5) Nu metal is generally hit and miss, depending on at what end of the nu-metal spectrum it is on.. I like RATM, Deftones and some korn and limp bizkit stuff. Most of Three Dollar Bill is good, and way different to their current stuff.

6) Intro to counterfiet is good, as is break stuff's intro. Nookie's isn't bad either. But re-arranged and my way? are you quite mad?
Tip: Buy some Led Zeppelin cds. Listen to them.

7) Limp Bizkit certainly did not invent hip-hop/metal and its insulting to bands like Antrhax, RATM etc who've been doing it long before Limp Bizkit were on the scene. Limp Bizkit made it popular. They certainly did not pioneer it.

In a way Angelwhore is correct, stuff like Walk This Way is what Fred Durst and co. grew up with and probably took alot of inspiration from.

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Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're an astronaught on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham! You just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man."
hello.

Kali

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AngelWhore:

It was Aerosmith and Run DMC.
They collaborated on "Walk This Way" bak in the early 80's.
THAT very song was the thing that started the whole Rap/Rock Rap/Metal thing.
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yeah and it was painful crap then and its painful crap now.

Belisarius

Finally it has come , the cataclysmic battle between the ethreal ying and yang of the universe, Nu Metal versus Good music , young versus old , good versus evil

However I digress


While I abhore all this new Limp Bizkit/Linkin Park *The worst of them all in my opinion* You have to admit it shows some primoreal atom of musical taste , I mean just a year or two ago there was a nasty period , when our youth clung to the commercialised drivel that is *the majority not the whole * of R&B , Like some sort of Cold blooded amphibian rising though the ranks of the evolutionary scale , but If they cant see beyond this murky horizon to some frickin good music ,they might aswell go back to theyre Britney spears albums or whatever, And most of em wont be able to see beyond that shiny red cap of fred dursts ,Enthralled by the siren call of "Cool" or what our youngins percieve that to be.But a few just might go on to appreciate good music when they hear it


Oh and Kalis right Aerosmith are right up theyre with Johnny Bon Jovi for Pussy rock

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Shrewgar!

Miguel_Sanchez

These sort of conversations really **** me off because you have all these nimrods coming in saying how great and cool and super-duper original some band are, completely oblivious to the fact that in five years time they'll cringe when they are reminded that they used to absolutely love them.

And for God's Sake: WHAT THE HELL IS PAPA ROACH'S PROBLEM??

What's with that "nothing is right. everything is wrong" ****???

I can just see them sitting down writing that song and saying: "Let's write a song that'll appeal to the 13 - 24 year old middle class white male who has absolutely nothing to complain about and has relatively no hardship in his life but still thinks that the world is on his shoulders and that he's fighting the system and rebelling against God knows what."

AAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH - makes me want to punch people and force real music down their stupid ear canals.

Calm blue ocean.... calm blue ocean.... time for sleep.

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Karl Hungus

Limp Bizkit.
Papa Roach.
Linkin Park.
SlipKnot.

It all spells the same thing. Basicaly.
It's all pop music, designed to appeal to kids.

It's popular today to feel like ****.
It's popular today to be opressed by society.
It's popular to cut yourself.
It's popular to have a "**** everyone" attitude.

I was doing some shopping in Dublin.
As I walked around to all the different shops do you know what I saw?
Kids.
Kids that were about 14 years old.
Kids wearing SlipKnot hoodies.
With their arms cut and scarred.
They had their arm sleeves rolled up so everyone could see their scars.

"HEY EVERYONE! LOOK AT ME! I CUT MYSELF! I MUST BE COOL!"

I mean, it's ****ing sickening.
Bands like SlipKnot popularise and promote this kind of thing.
Bands like Papa Roach, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit.

Q: How do you know whether someone is cutting themselves for attention?
A: You can see their scars.

A person who actualy cuts themselves because they have problems ALWAYS covers them up. They don't flash them around.

Compare these Nu-Metal kids to people who would listen to stuff like Cradle Of Filth, Emperor, and Dimmu Borgir.
They are mostly in their twenties.
You'd also notice that a lot of them would also listen to bands like The Doors, Tool, and basicaly any good music.

How many Limp Bisect fans could you say the same for?

I can't really understand the idea of Pop music.
I mean, only predending to like what is popular at the time?
I could never listen to music like that...
Stuffing away all the old stuff, in case someone found out you used to like them?

I have an Alanis Morrisette CD that I bought a while ago. HEY! I still listen to it.
My old Queen CD's and tapes aren't going anywhere.
And I'm not ashamed I ever liked them...
I was listening to The Offspring earlier.

Anyway, that was one big mad rant...
But you can see my points, I hope.

Klay

I have plenty of friends (All aged 17-19) who like Limp Bizkit, and don't believe in the whole pop system of buying an album because its advertised everywhere and get sick of it in a few months time. Whoever bought the album, got it cuz they liked the songs..

Your worse than the media, blaming bands for little kiddies mutilating themselves...If a kid would do that, theyd have to be pretty disturbed beforehand. I dont think that type of music turns chilers into suicidal maniacs...especially Linkin Park...they dont even swear.

/me is currently listening to Led Zeppelin - Whole Lotta Love... on cd.
I just said Bizkit had some good riffs..didn't compare them to Zeppelin or anything. Jimmy P. 0wnz all j00r azz!

Whats makes me mad is the way people automatically assume something is crap because it is popular, without even really listening to them.

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Belisarius

Well come on man , AW wasnt really blaming "Bands" rather some sort of sicophantic emulation complex in theese lil upstarts I mean when anyone starts mutilating themselves for whatever reason its time to take a step back , But when its for some sort of Musical affiliation ...that merits serious concern . So while its the direct fault of the kids for not having a bit of ****ing cop on ,but its the responsibility of the musical powers that be for Aiming theese bands at kids who consequently do some bleedin stupid things for whatever mental faculty thats lacking in thier yupee minds


Oh yeah you could hardly blame Linkin park fair enough ,theyre bearly a step up from westlife ;D

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Shrewgar!

Atomic Pineapple

Simple solution to the problem ,
you like Limp Bizket yes - listen to there music
No - Dont listen to there music

But if you want the best of limp bizket without the added pop style crap in it then listen to Linkin Park or Papa Roach both are better than Limp Bizket in my opinion.

Dont be at yourself

Having a 'f*** you all' attitude has become cool now. Because the little kids wouldn't have a clue where to start looking at metal music, they buy the nu-metal stuff they see on MTV.

I disagree when when you say that its the kids who are f*cked up by slicing themselves. What a person likes and doesn't like defines who that person is - music is a big influence on people, especially teenagers. If you listen to music with lyrics such as 'don't give a **** if i cut my arm bleeding' it will influence them indirectly.

And Linkin Park are just Savage Garden with loud guitars in my opinion. Still, all power to them for not throwing swear words around like they were going out of fashion.

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Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're an astronaught on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham! You just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man."
hello.

black_wizardd

So cutting yourself has become the fashion as of late , that I did'nt know, how f ucking sad can you get. If people have serious problems that kind of action can be justified by mental trauma, but just doing it for fun (not that I would regard cutting myself fun, only on weekends, when I'm known as "Jimmy the s&m b itch", ahem) and out of stupidity is quite pathetic.

I guess the message is don't mess with nu-metal fans cause there f ucking hard, they'll stick one in ye and wont even think twice about it, cause there ssssoooooo f ucked up from the whole world being against their 13 year old stupid self's :P. Now that's sarcasim .

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Karl Hungus

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Klay:

Your worse than the media, blaming bands for little kiddies mutilating themselves...If a kid would do that, theyd have to be pretty disturbed beforehand. I dont think that type of music turns chilers into suicidal maniacs...especially Linkin Park...they dont even swear.
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I think belisarius said it best there.
No, I'm NOT blaming bands for kids cutting themselves.
I'm saying that a lot of kids today simply do it because it's the "Bad Ass" thing to do.
And most of these kids REALLY flaunt their scars.
I've cut myself in the past, and yeah, I have had problems before, and I still have the scars.
But I always felt bad about it, and I always covered up.

I actualy find it quite insulting the way a lot of kids these days do it. And, yes, quite a few bands DO glorify the idea. Have you ever listened to SlipKnot?
They regularly have lyrics about their own self mutilation, and cut themselves on-stage. As with quite a number of other "Rock Stars" these days.
So, a lot of kids get the idea that this is the cool thing to do... And I find it insulting.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Klay:

Whats makes me mad is the way people automatically assume something is crap because it is popular, without even really listening to them.
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What makes me mad is the way people automaticaly start listening to something when they become popular, and start whining when someone says they have sold out, with the fact that most of these people having never heard of the band before they became popular, and the people they whine about are the ones who have heard the bands.

My point being, that more than half the current Limp Bizkit "Fans" now, would have never heard Faith.

Excelsior

I just got some DJ Shadow. Real music. Real hip-hop. It will satisfy any rock urges you may have too.
Those Limp Bizkit heads should really get it together. It is total dirge.
In terms of it being better than the pop of, lets take as an example, Brtiney... shut up. Sure it is disposable and aimed at kids, but they are great fun songs. And having fun Mr I-cut-myself-I-hate-Britney is still a cool thing to do in my book. Listen to the Fountains of Wayne (oh how Limp Bizkit fans should) do versions of Britney songs and you will have no doubt about which are better.

It reminds me of a friend of a friend. A reall intelligent guy called Jeff, who couldn't understand why we thought his favourite band, Limp Bizkit were so crappy. We showed him the Listener Supported DVD by DMB and then he was taken to some live jazz music. I think he intends to sell his Fred Durst cd.

And as a note, I believe that Limp Bizkit sold 970,000 copies of their new (crap) album in the 1st week in the USA. That puts them just 200,000 behind N-SYNC.

YOU ARE NOT REBELLING BY LISTENING TO CRAP MUSIC
MUSIC IS NOT SUCH A GOOD WAY TO REBEL

Go buy Reveal.
Go buy some Ben Folds Five.

You will cringe in years to come at owning those Limp Bizkit CDs.

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Loomer

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Demeant0r:
if you listen to linkin park there songs are absolutely fantastic and they don't swear AT ALL.
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Super. Lets all go to the park and listen to Linkin Park with lots of cream buns and lashings of ginger beer

P.S. Limp Bizkit are very limp IMO

PiE

It's the rich Limp Bizkit fans that annoy me the most, walking around with their Red caps thinkin' they know it all:

"Like, yah...Significant Other was like their first album..."

Idiots.

And btw, R.A.T.M. are NOT nu-metal!
Sheesh, they've been around years ffs.

And Deftones are just rock, they're not metal and they're certainly not nu-metal, because their music is actually decent.

The reason Linkin Park don't swear is because if they did the powers that be would slap an "Explicit Lyrics" sticker on the front of the CD, and mommy won't have that now will she?

God I hate long posts.

Karl Hungus

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PiE:

And Deftones are just rock, they're not metal</font>

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