Which one to go for when OC'ing?

Diabolus

Intel Pentium 4 550 3.4 GHz Boxed Socket LGA775, 1MB cache @ 284.00

or

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2 GHz Socket 939, 512KB cache, BOXED @ 279.00

This question is beginning to frustrate me.
Im upgrading and im looking at Komplett.
Which board should i get with DDR and an AGP card.
Thanks in advance

neokenzo

If you are getting the AMD one, make sure you get the winchester core. Those baby can be o'ced to 2.6Ghz on air.

dubdvd

if i was you id go for the p4 its what im using and im stable "rock soild" at almost 4.3ghz which aint bad at all and the new 550 doesnt have half the heat problems than its older brother ...the stepping is different to the frist presscotts that came out .......the only thing thats holding me back on getting further is cooling the ddr2 which im using is 533 mhz but it running stable at 666mhz which the cpu at 4.25ghz...

jessy

be intrested to know this myself. Would you choose the AMD as the better chip (i would) or the intel for all round system preformance, (faster RAM).

ARGINITE

simple AMD, better long term value!

gline

Amd for me, due to the fact they handle higher voltages better, u up the vcore on p4's and later on the chip degrades faster than amd's. Also amds seem to have more potental and 64bit . Amd seem to preform better and are more of a challenge i personally think.

jessy

ARGINITE wrote:

simple AMD, better long term value!

Unfortunately Long term should not really be a consideration because you are going to have to upgrade in 2-3 years anyways to stay in touch with the rest, and to be able to play the newest games. So I suppose a better question is dose anyone know when Intel/AMD bring out there newest Chip's will they be sticking with the current socket or changing again? What I mean by this is basically Intel has pulled out of the 4GHz race and let AMD win the current battle in Performance, so they must be working on something new. When they release it will it be the same socket (775)???

I’m currently trying to decide on a similar spec like the one that was asked in the first question. “AMD 3500 (0.09)” OR “Prescott" 3.6GHz (0.09)”? The Intel one is more expensive (~100euro more) but the option on faster Ram are much better i.e. The Asus P5AD2-E Premium 925XE claims to support DDR2 711 so may be for over all better performance the Intel would win.

gline

Dual cores are next i think, dont know if they will use the same socket. socket 775 seems to be good, it depends on personal preference i think, both are pretty good, it depends what u use the pc for.

jessy

will be using the pc for everything, Games,watching DVD's,Music , Software Development, and ofcource the net.

Also I'v heard some rummers that Dual Core's are not going to be the next big thing from Intel.

On stock dose anyone know which will BM higher, AMD3500(0.09) or the 3.6(0.09)

Diabolus

GAMES!

I have a Multimedia machine for movies etc.
All thats left is this Rig im trying to make for games.

jessy

sorry Diabolus i think i was trying to steal your post just there.

Diabolus

See i can afford to go one higher that the 3500 but kompletts next step up is €350 the 3800. Anywhere else i should look?

Also there are no Winchester's available either.

gline

for games i still would choose amd, if 64bit games come out it is future-proofed and it preforms brialliantly on existing games, as for which gets better BM's, i dont know??? does anyone have any results on equal systems? i think its really personal preference, its not a simple case of which 1 to buy i dont think anyway

jessy

Diabolus wrote:

See i can afford to go one higher that the 3500 but kompletts next step up is €350 the 3800. Anywhere else i should look?

Also there are no Winchester's available either.

No the 3500 is the best chip they made on the Winchester (0.09) it is supposed to be a really good chip really good. It think its a dead lock between the two of them at the min.

gline

i found this

"

Therefore, the balance of power between AMD and Intel remains unchanged: when it comes to gaming, Intel has nothing to thwart the dominance of the Athlon64 family in general, and the FX in particular. On the other hand, audio/video encoding tasks and synthetic benchmarks are usually dominated by Intel processors.

" on
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041101/925xe-16.html

Diabolus

Yeah im looking for Gaming Performance so Im AMD.
I cant find anywhere with the 3500 in a Winchester Core sadly.

Col_Loki

From what ive read before, Socket 939 is setup for Dual Core just like the opteron socket (940) and ive heard all you do is replace the chip with a dual core and away you go.

Intel on the other hand were way behind on the dual core thing but are putting greater efforts into it now (realising its potential) . I doubt the S775 will handle dual core either way.

Thats just some of what ive read....

PS www.jes.de have the 3200+ Winchester and have the 3500+ on order....

jessy

Diabolus wrote:

Yeah im looking for Gaming Performance so Im AMD.
I cant find anywhere with the 3500 in a Winchester Core sadly.

Overclockers.co.uk sell the Winchester 3500 but i think there out of stock at the min.

Diabolus

Ack! everywhere is outta stock.
I want it now! >:-|

P.S. i soo want it now

neokenzo

While we are on the topic of winchesters, what fan would be best for it?

gline

also read this





The balance of power between AMD and Intel will not change all that much because of a 200 MHz clock speed increase. Yet, if the benchmark results of the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition were combined with those of the Pentium 4 570, Intel would score at the top of a majority of our categories. In a direct comparison, it becomes apparent that the new P4 and the Athlon 64 FX-55 run neck-and-neck. Just as has been the case so many times before, it comes down to personal preference: what is your CPU meant to do? If games are your main interest, AMD is still impossible to beat. However, the more you move into the professional area with applications such as A/V encoding or rendering, the more attractive the P4 will be. Increased support for the SSE3 instruction set will only add on top of Intel's advantage here; this is an area that still needs to be addressed by AMD

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041115/pentium4_570-21.html

So for games AMD seem to be definitly the way to go

Diabolus

Hey "neokenzo" what speed do you have that 3200 clocked to?

TacT

I think www.over-clock.co.uk might have some 3500+ winnies in stock, got mine from overclockers before the masses jumped on them and all the 3500+ stock got sucked up in no time

BloodBath

The first dual cores will be on s775.

For gaming go a64. This is where it exels. Why not get a 3200 winchester and some decent ram with a good cooler and overclock that baby. I've seen a lot of them reach near 3800 speeds.


BloodBath

gline

check out http://www.spacecentersystems.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/266083They have the 3500's in stock for $288.00 and they accept international visa orders

and
http://geek.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=2835683/search=3800

Diabolus

I wouldnt shop outside the EU due to the new Import Taxes.
Might go for the 3200 Winnie... so what board will i get to suit my DDR500 and x800 AGP? And importantly a good cooler?

gline

I havnt been affected by the new import tax, i have imported about 4 items over $100 each since and wasnt charged a cent on import, it depends how u ship it in dude

jessy

gline wrote:

I havnt been affected by the new import tax, i have imported about 4 items over $100 each since and wasnt charged a cent on import, it depends how u ship it in dude

How long is it since you recived the Items?

gline

1 of them would have been maybe september or earlier, i have basically got something every month from the usa and havnt been hit yet

Diabolus

From the Space Center site?

gline

???

jessy

I know a guy who Got somthing from USA about 5 months ago and only got the bill about 2 months ago.

Diabolus

Ok im going with the 3500+ Winnie model.
What motherboard should i get with AGP?

Looking at this one
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8v-d/overview.htm

neokenzo

I'd go with one of the nforce3 boards. They o'c much better. The MSI platinum is quite good in my opinion.

Diabolus

Someone on Komplett said this

I bought this board along with an AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 processor and 1 gig of Corsair TWINX1024-3200XLPRO memory and a Gainward GeForce 6800GT 256MB GS graphics card from komplett hoping that this would be a great pc but the MSI board is the most unstable board I have ever used!!!

I have been building pcs for years and never had as much crashes as I did with this board.

I updated the bios and it helps a bit but it is still very unstable.

I bought the Abit AV8-3rd Eye Mainboard yesterday and it is very stable not one crash yet this is a much better board and the preformance with this board is a lot better than the MSI board.

Buy the Abit board and save yourself a lot of headaches.

Looks like the Abit is better?

Azza

also read this

The balance of power between AMD and Intel will not change all that much because of a 200 MHz clock speed increase. Yet, if the benchmark results of the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition were combined with those of the Pentium 4 570, Intel would score at the top of a majority of our categories. In a direct comparison, it becomes apparent that the new P4 and the Athlon 64 FX-55 run neck-and-neck. Just as has been the case so many times before, it comes down to personal preference: what is your CPU meant to do? If games are your main interest, AMD is still impossible to beat. However, the more you move into the professional area with applications such as A/V encoding or rendering, the more attractive the P4 will be. Increased support for the SSE3 instruction set will only add on top of Intel's advantage here; this is an area that still needs to be addressed by AMD

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20...um4_570-21.html

So for games AMD seem to be definitly the way to go

Don't believe a word of Toms Hardware its completely bias in favour of intel. Ask round there reputation is woeful in that regard. It failed to mention that SSE3 was implemented in the 90nm AMD 64 chips oops.

TacT

oh and before we start thrashing any MSI boards I'd just like to state that my MSI K8N neo 2 platinum runs like a dream, stock or overclocked. If you're overclocking it's the best of a bad bunch, period. Just take a look at the anandtech roundup of s939, that said, there's some tasty nf4 on the horizon

neokenzo

Arent the nf4 for pci only?

TacT

Diabolus wrote:

Someone on Komplett said this

I bought this board along with an AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 processor and 1 gig of Corsair TWINX1024-3200XLPRO memory and a Gainward GeForce 6800GT 256MB GS graphics card from komplett hoping that this would be a great pc but the MSI board is the most unstable board I have ever used!!!

I have been building pcs for years and never had as much crashes as I did with this board.

I updated the bios and it helps a bit but it is still very unstable.

I bought the Abit AV8-3rd Eye Mainboard yesterday and it is very stable not one crash yet this is a much better board and the preformance with this board is a lot better than the MSI board.

Buy the Abit board and save yourself a lot of headaches.

Looks like the Abit is better?

double posting because there is no way in hell the Abit boards are better, have a look around the different forums, the Abit board is in no way better, define better for me - maybe he just got a bad board and needed to RMA...

gline

yeh i know people using MSI boards and they no trouble, they seem great

Azza

Having both a MSI socket 754 board and a socket 939 abit board I must say I have found the Abit board better on the grounds I have had less issue with the bios and stability than the MSI one. Difference is minimal between 939 and socket 754 and any problems I had with the MSI were not to major.

TacT

neokenzo wrote:

Arent the nf4 for pci only?

There'll be a standard chipset with agp support also with none of the extra fancy nf4 goodness afaik

gline

when are the nf4 based socket 939 boards being released?? or are they already out? any benchmarks up for them yet????

CivilServant

MSI neo2 is quite stable for me. I heard people had issues with winchesters and neo2 boards with the 1.2 bios. But all the new boards are shipping with v1.3 bios.

Winchester is so nippy. At last AMD have dual channel at affordable prices.

Nforce 4 mobos are coming soon, heres some on pre order from ocers.co.uk http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/asus_amd_motherboards.html

Diabolus

Im gonna wait till Jan and get a new SLI board and 2 gfx cards.
Seems like the best option.
Thanks all even though i know this completely went off topic!

gline

oh man id love to go for that, 2 watercooled 6800 GTs, mmmmm and a phase change cooled fx55, mite have to be a new project for next year