ESB chargers - Out of order or No charge.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124017083#Comment_124017083

They do have a subscription service no?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124017451#Comment_124017451

Of the larger networks only ESB have one that offers a paltry 5c off per kWh

EZO and ePower, who would be the next 2 biggest providers, don't have subscriptions

If either of them had a charging subscription that allowed a unit rate of 35-40c it would blow the competition out of the water

Flinty997

I've a different way of looking at this. Everyone hunting the cheapest chargers and ESB chargers with terrible spaces and short cables.

Means the more expensive ones are usually free with good spaces and better cables. The extra cost is negligible if you only use it rarely.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124017468#Comment_124017468

So it's not that don't have a proper subscription service it's that is not cheaper.

I've never understood the gouging mentality of electricity suppliers and chargers. It just means they are the least used chargers.

MojoMaker

100%.

For those that have their criticisms of Tesla, their charging network is the absolute gold standard and a major advantage of Tesla ownership - dismissed somewhat lightly I think.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124017489#Comment_124017489

I wouldn't call a 5c reduction (which works out at 7.5%) a proper subscription. When you consider Ionity where you can save up to 25c/kWh (36%) for example

The mentality of CPOs that you speak of I believe is greed

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124017536#Comment_124017536

Who exactly dismisses it?

It used to be a closed eco property system which meant it was tightly coupled to the cars. It would know when a car was approaching fully charged and likely to leave and could communicate that to cars likely to next use that charger and thus plan route finding according.

But you'd have to buy a Tesla to use it. Not everyone loves Teslas.

Its now partially opened up to non Teslas. But that has come with new issues not least the location of the charging port.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124017662#Comment_124017662

Put it this way it's not penalizing you for not having subscription.

MojoMaker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124017845#Comment_124017845

What I mean is, the Tesla supercharging network is positioned as a massive value-add of Tesla ownership, but often overlooked/dismissed by buyers fixated on getting behind the wheel of EVs that don't have proprietary networks and are forced down the path of ESB chargers or worse. Then the moaning starts: The chargers are broken; I need 20 million apps; I can't use my CC on this terminal; The chargepoints are blocked by taxis; I had to wait 15 mins to get to a plug; Stupid effing plug is on the wrong side of my car; Will someone please think of the poor kids being thrown into the cobalt mines to make batteries.

Flinty997

Imagine the only chargers a Tesla could charge at was Tesla and the only one VW could charge at was VW charger.

Because if everyone did what Tesla did (private network). That would be the situation.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124017852#Comment_124017852

The main cost to operators for supplying electricity to your car from their charge points isn't simply the unit price. A subscription would give stability to the operators and should be able to bring the unit price down.

To put another way, if your only option is to public charge and you don't live anywhere near an Ionity or Tesla station you've zero savings by comparison to ICE fuel. If they could subscribe to one of the bigger networks and avail of a better rate it would be far better for them

Flinty997

I don't think thats the mindset. I think they assume its a captive market. Usually you don't have many options to spend time shopping around when needing a public charger. So they gouge on the price.

L1011

Places that have installed (rented space for, I assume?) Tesla only chargers may need to reconsider them as time goes on. There's a hotel I sometimes stay at that has superchargers and destination chargers; but all Tesla only.

I dont stay there now - I need to charge overnight if I do, and I can't; so another hotel with Weev gets that business now.

MojoMaker

What about the spa though, and is it really your decision? 😅

Flinty997

Love this layout.

https://www.irishevassociation.ie/news/brite-ultra-galway-launch?utm_content=478696695&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-100347029413525

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124019785#Comment_124019785

Note for Tesla destination slow chargers they are usually free to use. Also sound can be used by non Teslas if they have a red and white sign or white and red. Car needs type 2 connector so no very old leafs and the old leaf type 1 adapter does not seem to work.

For example Johnstown

Two AC charge points. No cards/apps required. Just plug-in and free. 11kW(3-phase) if your car supports it, not just for Teslas.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/371376

crl84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124017447#Comment_124017447

Yes. I've used Ionity with my credit card and have no subscription to them or Electroverse.

You can also use Tesla chargers without a subscription too.

Flinty997

The only ionity I've used was at Charlestown M50 and then only a few maybe even one, took the cc when I was there. Might have changed since. That's just after it opened.

n.d.os

After driving EVs for years, they are more convenient and cheaper to run than ice, but if I was relying on public chargers a lot I might be swayed into a plug-in Hybrid. Charging from home is the easiest way to get around and range anxiety really does t need to be a thing in such a small country like Ireland. I don't really understand though why Ionity and Apple green haven't expanded across the country. Ecars are fast but unreliable.

n.d.os

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124017447#Comment_124017447

They have car readers off to one side in most of not all of the Ionity stations at this point. The app is shocking in Ireland. Ionity is much better abroad. I've no idea why but I can never get the location finder to work on the app and Ionity chargers also cut out a lot.