Replacing Eir F3000 Broadband Router with Ubiquiti System

Red Thunder

I am planning on upgrading from an Eir F3000 to a Ubiquiti system.

Does anyone know what the WiFi spec is of the Eir F3000 is it even 2 x 2 (DL/UL MU-MIMO).

I am undecided to either go with U6 Pro or U7 Pro access points

I am curious what the range would be on the U7 Pro compared to the Eir F3000 at 5Ghz, the U6 Pro should be stronger as it is

4 x 4 DL/UL MU-MIMO on 5Ghz

NotShero

You should have the F3500, this is WiFi 6 instead of the WiFi 5 F3000.

The WiFi 6 F3500 is a Sagemcom Fast 5359, here's the specs - https://wikidevi.wi-cat.ru/Sagemcom_F%40ST_5359

The WiFi 5 F3000 is a Sagemcom Fast 5366s, here's the specs - https://wikidevi.wi-cat.ru/Sagemcom_F%40ST_5366_Siminn / https://myrepublic.net/sg/content/uploads/2017/07/Hub-Halo-Comparison-Table-120717-1.pdf

Red Thunder

I have the F3000 with 2X F2000 hardwired as access points but still thinking of moving over to Ubiquiti for better stability and performance.

Any experience with Ubiquiti?

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123557046#Comment_123557046

No I don’t personally, I have an ASUS router and it has ASUS-WRT which has lots of customisation options.

I have the same router hardwired as an access point upstairs, connected together in their “AiMesh” configuration.

I found the F3500 to have a very slow GUI and previously a F3000 would just loose connection with my iPhone quite often.

The F2000 & F3000 are only WiFi 5 so you would see some benefit going to WiFi 6. I just find Ubiquiti quite expensive as I would want to remove the eir router altogether like I have currently, which would involve getting a Unquiti router and Ubiquiti access points.

Also, you might be able to get a F3500 if you ask eir, as you still only have a F3000.

Doodah7

If you get on to eir and say that your router is acting up, the tech on the end of the line will order a new one without hesitation BUT they have no control as to which router will be sent out. I had a F3000 and they sent another F3000 out to me.

I picked up a F3500 in CEX for €50 and once I changed the SSID on the new F3500 to my old one, it was plug and play. I needed an eir router as I have VOIP.

I would agree that the interface on the F3500 is ridiculously slow but the wi-fi speeds are not! I'm getting 460 out of the theoretical 500Mb on my iPhone beside the router.

Eir fibre box F3500 Smart WiFi , Unlocked - CeX (IE): - Buy, Sell, Donate

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123561272#Comment_123561272

Yeah if you do need VOIP then that would be a good option otherwise you could get a better performing and more customisable router for a little bit more money.

Eir completely removed the option of splitting the 2.4 & 5Ghz bands on the F3500.

Dero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123557046#Comment_123557046

I have an all Ubiquiti network, albeit with older access points. Are you just getting access points? You'll still need a gateway device (router) if that's the case, and you'll have to run the controller application at least to get set up. I have a Cloud gateway Fiber with NBI 1Gb FTTH and it's brilliant if a little over-specced.

JDxtra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058416875/replacing-eir-f3000-broadband-router-with-ubiquiti-system

If you don't need 6Hz (most won't), then I'd go for the U6 Pro. Don't forget a controller and consider how you will feed these with PoE and a network back haul (they can mesh wirelessly of course).

Boards_Member

I have a full Unifi wired / wifi routing & switching LAN.

Cannot advise on WiFi as i am using the fibre 10GB with UPC 5Gb but wifi7 is not popular across my home owned devices

U7 Pro ,could not find a justification to use it as no devices yet, but kept the U6 Pro.

Most important is a proper setup "properly", such as:

channel alocation

spectrum scanning

power in half to avoid overlapping in case of more WAPs

coverage in terms of neighbours

setup 20 or 40 channel bandwidth

separated SSIDs in 5G and 2G

enjoy IT

Red Thunder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123576798#Comment_123576798

Is it just the one access point you have?

Are you in a house or an apartment?

Red Thunder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123561428#Comment_123561428

Yes, I am planning on getting the Cloud Gateway Fiber, Flex 2.5G PoE, Flex Mini 2.5 , and I am on the 1GB Fibre with Eir just haven't decided on access points yet.

Dero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123584044#Comment_123584044

Well it started that way… One access point and the controller running in a VM. Now I have four access points, five switches and a gateway. It's a slippery slope! 😱

It's a house, but not a very big one. Technically it's two houses and two APs are in the other half, but it's one building (like a semi-D but rural).

BorneTobyWilde

How does one get phone working on f3000 , sent this new f3000, and phone is not working on it.

Does any old handset connect to it via phone cable

Red Thunder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585795#Comment_123585795

When you log into the f3000 does it say that the line is up and active?

I think it has to be a digital handset.

Red Thunder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123584819#Comment_123584819

What access points are you using out of curiosity and you find the range further compared to an ISP supplied router?

Dero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123586614#Comment_123586614

I have 2x AC-Pro, 1x AC-LR and 1x Nano HD. I can't compare them directly to an ISP router as a) I never really used one, and b) Four against one is not a fair fight - especially as an ISP router location is usually constrained by incoming connection.

I don't care too much for WiFi speed, so I don't max out the channel widths and manually choose channels to avoid overlaps. I've never had any AP related issues, nor any complaints of such from family members. Having said that, two of them could be placed better but they typically work fine regardless.

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123584083#Comment_123584083

I would go with two U7 Lites or two U6 Pros, which should be good for people in a normal sized house.

As long as you don't need 6GHz, 6GHz would get you to 1Gb over WiFi but your device has to support it also.

They are both WiFi 6, I wouldn't buy any new WiFi 5 APs at this point.

Red Thunder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123593318#Comment_123593318

I have just been sent out the Eir F3539 as a replacement to the Eir F3000, I find that the 5Ghz range was a little better on the F3000 as the room below indicates that, iphone speeds are faster on the F3539.

I also have 2 Eir F2000 that are in use as access points in other rooms as some of the walls are pretty thick with the original house been built around 1907 and extended in later years.

I am going to get the cloud gateway fiber but seeing as I would need three access points at a minimum I am having a tough time deciding do I stick with WiFi 6 and either get 3 x U6 Pro's which are reliable and stable or go with WiFi 7 even though there is not a lot in the house to take advantage at this point in time on 6Ghz.

I can't say if I would see a benefit in WiFi 7 at this time or do I pay once and plan for the future?

BobbyT28

Hi,

I am about to pull the trigger on the Cloud Gateway fibre. I currently have fibre directly into a eir modem/Router (FTTH - 2G service) and then this connects to a UniFi Flex 2.5G Switch (POE), this switch connects and Powers to 2 x AP (U6) one upstairs and one down stairs. I have UniFi software/ Cloud key running on a Pi4 which I want to get rid of as it is painful updating it all the time.

I am looking to remove the eir router/modem and have a full UniFi network. I take it that this is possible all I need is the PPPOE details. I don’t really want to use the eir modem at all if I can help it.

Am I good to purchase this Cloud Gateway Fibre? The research I’ve done, it will work well and can also upgrade NVME drive if I decide to use a camera out the front as it now supports ONVIF protocol.

Good to hear from Irish users that the have things working

Thanks in advance

BobbyT28

dam099

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123603809#Comment_123603809

I am using the Cloud Gateway fibre no problem on an Eir 5gb connection (limited to 2.5gb by my downstream equipment but router speed tests showing 4.5gb/250mb down/up).

You don't need PPPoE on Eir, DHCP will work fine.

BobbyT28

Brilliant. I’ll Pull the trigger so

BobbyT28

Ordered. I’ll upgrade the AP‘S later this summer with the U7 pro and Use one of the U6 AP‘s in the shed and mesh it to the house Network, only need about 20MB Dow in the shed. The shed is about 40 feet from the house

JDxtra

Also using a Cloud Gateway Fibre on Eir. Solid, no issues. Easy to setup. Have an M2 SSD in it also for storing UniFi Protect recordings from a few IP cameras.

BobbyT28

Cheers. So you just remove the eir Modem/ROuter from your topology and connect the Fibre directly into the UCG? Do I need a SFP for this, I use one for the eir modem so hoping that would work with the UCG

Forgot to order the M.2 tray for the UCG when I was ordering te UCG. When I went to order it, it was asking for 9euro delivery for a 20euro piece. Wish I new someone who would 3D print one for me as I have the CAD file for the 3D printed NVME slot

BobbyT28

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123604235#Comment_123604235

I suppose I could just plug in the rj45 /SFP into the lan port and remap the wan port to that

dam099

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123604282#Comment_123604282

I don't think you can connect Eir's fibre directly into any router (only heard of people doing it on Virgin on here).

There is a 10gb RJ45 WAN port on the UCG Fibre (but no 10gb LAN RJ45 so the SFP module might be handy for that if you need greater than the 2.5gb on the RJ45 LAN ports).

JDxtra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123604311#Comment_123604311

You connect an Ethernet cable from the ONT directly into the new router.

JDxtra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123604235#Comment_123604235

I would not suggest a 3D print. It gets hot and the official one is metal and has a thermal pad.

dam099

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123604319#Comment_123604319

Yes thats how I have it. I took BobbyT28's question to be whether you could bypass the ONT and plug the fibre itself straight into the router (the post I replied to didn't state that but the one immediately before it seemed to imply that). I was also noting that you don't need an SFP module for WAN as there is a 10gb WAN port

BobbyT28

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123604319#Comment_123604319

mines is fibre into an sfp in the modem. I’ll have to get a fibre to Ethernet adaptor. Any recommendations

BobbyT28

Can I not just plug the sfp that’s in the eir modem into the sfp slot on the cgf