Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579588#Comment_123579588

Candace Owens, the female Joe Rogan. All in on Donald Trump and his policies yet seems to have come out against them all as they unfolded. Still remains buried up his and his sons asses as well as constantly name checking Tucker Carlson and the rest of the MAGA misfits. She's right on Israel but a stopped clock is right twice a day too.

There is absolutely momentum behind the turn away from Israel now though. If the orange peel pops his clogs, Vance will look to distance them from Israel until they start to line his pockets too.

The power the Israelis wield is unfathomable. There have been opened editorials in Jewish papers in the US advocating the assassination of any President who did not align with Israel. No blow back whatsoever. Yet Iran are the danger. The country who want to assassinate the President.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123580231#Comment_123580231

In their "precision strikes" they blew up entire apartment blocks to get at these guys. Instead you'll hear of a rocket going through a bedroom window like it was a localised explosion.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123580193#Comment_123580193

He has to get Netanyahu off the hook otherwise Bibi will either have to go back to war with Iran or some other destabilising action to keep himself out of courts.

I'll reiterate my point on Trumps impeachment. I know people are looking at this through Dem/GOP views but are missing the bigger picture of the Israel lobby. If Trump can't get him off the hook and Bibi starts up with Iran again, then Trump has two options;go along with it, or pull arms and support to try and reel Israel in. The latter would result in the Israeli lobby pushing against Trump domestically and they have influence both sides of the aisle. The former would possibly be less risky as he can still get the GOP to row in behind him for the most part despite it being unpopular domestically.

brickster69

Panic stations, 18th of October approaches. Starting to get the feeling Trump has done a deal with Iran and a few of his pals to sort out quite a few problems around the world. Taking sanctions off Iranian oil was a big signal.

https://twitter.com/SprinterObserve/status/1938206409071464952

SafeSurfer

Israeli nuclear weapons are not a protective deterrent. Israel has been attacked and has attacked a dozen times since acquiring nuclear weapons. They have not deterred attack or made Israelis safer.
Unlike US/ USSR or India/Pakistan, Israeli nuclear weapons are not about balance of power they are about ensuring if Zionism is defeated, the maximum number of people possible die.

Why should we trust a political project whose doctrine enshrines Armageddon for everyone if the Zionist project cannot triumph?
Why should we trust a country whose leaders are currently wanted for crimes against humanity with nuclear weapons?
If the Israel is found guilty before the ICC and ICJ would you still support them having nuclear weapons?

brickster69

Iran's guardian council approves the parliaments decision yesterday to end all ties with IAEA with immediate effect.

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581262#Comment_123581262

Fantasy

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581392#Comment_123581392

Makes sense, Russia still deliver and remove spent fuel for their reactors and according to Trump, Iran no longer have any enrichment facilities nor a weapons program. Right?

There's no immediate rush now as they are a decade away from a bomb now.

Bogey Lowenstein

Iran bombing the US bases could work out great for Trump. I get the feeling he wants to pull troops out of the Middle East and this would be a good excuse.

Glenomra

I know that posters invariably have conflicting views of the short 'war' depending on whether they support Israel or not, but I personally wonder which country, if either, 'won' the war! I know that Israel achieved dramatic success in the early phase in the killing of Iranian leaders and achieving air supremacy, but it appeared to me as the days went on that Israel was inflicting unprecedented and probably unexpected damage to Israeli sites. I think that by the end of the conflict, Israel was most anxious for an end. A draw maybe!

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123580723#Comment_123580723

The only reason he wants Bibi off corruption charges is he's doing the same thing so thinks he's setting a precedent.

You think he's playing 4D chess when he's simply looking after number 1 as usual.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123580415#Comment_123580415

In general they would be more "trusted" with nuclear weapons than e.g. the current regime in Iran.

I wouldn't trust anyone with an alleged War Criminal (at large) in charge.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581590#Comment_123581590

Israel was taking a kicking in the last 3 days. They were extremely low on air defence missiles and they were being hit continously. The damage was extensive across 3 cities and the extent of damage and loss of life was downplayed. Unless 90% of the population went underground there had to have been alot of people killed.

It was Isreal pushing for the ceasefire in the end as they were a couple of days away from being a sitting duck. Iran were a sitting duck too but they're 70 times the size.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581562#Comment_123581562

Exactly, all the 60% Uranium was lost under the granite, concrete and steel according to Trump and it's enrichment set back years. So no need now to have inspections and because of that all sanctions will expire in 53 days and they will be able to trade freely with the world.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581754#Comment_123581754

There was drone footage uploaded from Tel Aviv which showed entire streets in the city centre destroyed by a single missile strike. This was being downplayed by the Zionist propaganda machine, but there was huge damage done. For example, the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange, a 14 storey building, was completely destroyed - that's nearly twice the size of the Central Bank building in Dublin.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581262#Comment_123581262

Can you name the countries that have launched direct attacks on Israel since they acquired nuclear weapons?

I can only think of Iran this time out. So they have largely deterred attack which therefore has made Israelis safer.

TheValeyard

We live in strange times!

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581919#Comment_123581919

Well given that Israel planned to detonate a nuke in the Sinai as a contingency should their preemptive attacks fail in 1967?

And that subsequent to 1967, Israel was involved in the War of Attrition and was subsequently attacked by Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and others?

I don't see your point that it's been an effective deterrent holding up.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581724#Comment_123581724

You, perhaps not.

But other world leaders generally yes. Including several in the region. Israel is Western aligned and a democracy, next year they'll have an election.

As opposed to the Russian aligned Iranian theocratic autocracy that's been in power for 35 years - perhaps less so. One which is floating on a sea of oil and gas but desperately needs nuclear power at any cost. The one which "needs" to fund multiple mini armies of militants to endlessly fire missiles at Israel, one which is supplying drones which are being used to attack Europe, one which attacks Western (and global) interests for no actual tangible reason other than keeping said 35 year regime in power.

The trust factor there is several degrees lower.

Are you lying awake at night wondering if there will be a nuclear war in the M.E? Exactly. No one is.

No one wants Iran to weaponise.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581392#Comment_123581392

Disappointing. But one could hardly blame them.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581980#Comment_123581980

Well, given Israel has what, about 90 nukes, I'd say they are ripe for using them - as some of the Govt alluded to last year. And given their propensity to bomb anyone who irks them, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I do lie awake at night wondering how long it will take Israel to wipe out the rest of the Palestinians to complete their extermination though.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582026#Comment_123582026

I'm glad you are concerned about the Palestinians, so you should be, they are the ones getting used and slaughtered by all sides in this equation, especially Israel.

There are however those who don't give one toss about them and conveniently use "concern for the Palestinians" as a cover for their true motivator, hatred for Israel - whether it's the Houthi's being ordered by Iran to fire missiles at Western shipping or whatever.

Back on the thread, if you personally think Israel are dying to nuke people for I don't know what reason, okay, but most regional neighbours aren't that concerned. They aren't exactly all racing to build shields. They know why Israel has nukes and they know the rules.

With Iranian regime, no one knows the rules there.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582026#Comment_123582026

That's a load of nonsense and fearmongering.

While Israel has been ambiguous on possession of nuclear weapons, it has consistently stated that it would not introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East. Their possession of nuclear weapons is seen as a deterrent and a retaliation.

The feigned surprise at their actions against Iran is feeble. The Begin Doctrine has been in place for a long time, and any actor in the Middle East who tries to acquire WMDs, as Iran was doing, will see Israel take necessary steps to stop it. Anyone who knows the history of the region knows that.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582057#Comment_123582057

You mistake abhorrence for War Crimes, Genocide and the murder of innocent civilians as hatred for Israel. My views are clear. I have a lot of sympathy for the Israeli hostage families (the Israeli govt abandoned them over a year ago) and this Israelis who are acutely aware of the crimes perpetrated in their names by a govt in berserker mode.

But there are many who use the likes of Iran as a smokescreen for their own perverted support and justification of the atrocities perpetrated by Israel in Gaza every single day for the last 629 days. That's 90 people killed in Gaza every single day since Oct 7th. 63 of them women and children.

There is only one warmonger in the ME - begins with "I" but it's not Iran.

They aren't exactly all racing to build shields

Is this a serious point? Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the way nuclear weapons work?

And for the record, why would anyone trust the Israelis not to use their nukes?

"During the 1973 Yom Kippur war, Israel came close to making a nuclear preemptive strike when it seemed to be facing defeat at the hands of Syrian armor, according to a half dozen former U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials familiar with the still-classified incident."

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582208#Comment_123582208

Well, seems the fearmongering card is being played constantly as regards Iran and their vapourware nukes. That's where the nonsense is.

As for history, you should read up on the Dahiya doctrine and you might also take a look at the Hannibal directive too. It was used to kill scores of Israelis on Oct 7th (as confirmed by alleged war criminal (at large) Yoav Gallant).

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582246#Comment_123582246

Your blind hatred of Israel and its people shines through in every single post.

You are accusing posters of using the likes of Iran as a smokescreen for their own perverted support and justification of the atrocities perpetrated by Israel. Equally, someone could accuse other posters of using Israeli actions in Gaza as a smokescreen for the own perverted hatred of the people who live in Israel. It is pointless, you don't know what motivates other posters, you can only speak for your own motivation.

However, your posts are constantly littered with opinions that are baseless and "facts" that are untrue. Claiming that there is only one warmonger in the Middle East and that it isn't Iran is probably the biggest lie of all. Every dog in the street knows that Iran has been waging a jihad against Israel to wipe it off the map for the best part of the last 40 years. It has done this through puppet militia, through terrorism, through supplying other nasty regimes in the area. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this, so why do you pretend it hasn't been happening?

Then you claim that Israel can't be trusted with their nukes because of something that nearly happened over 50 years ago. But it didn't happen. The other view of that incident is that Israel can certainly be trusted with their nukes because when faced with the most serious provocation 50 years ago they stepped back from using nukes. They were tested, and they didn't use nukes. Of course, you hate everything Israeli, and can't even consider that view.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582280#Comment_123582280

Seems you missed the bit where I stated clearly my opposition to an Israeli govt who is carrying out daily atrocities and that this Israelis opposed to it have my sympathy.

By all means, do point out facts that I have posted that are untrue.

But sure, keep on trusting Israel for pulling back from the brink 50 years ago. Until they just can't help themselves the next time.

And isn't it ironic that Israel is carrying out a Genocide - after what happened to the Jews and others 80 years ago?

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582280#Comment_123582280

That poster you are answering to just does it smart way, it's half facts, half opinions and making sure to flood the threads with all that. It's all about the wording these days..

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123581919#Comment_123581919

It’s generally accepted that Israel acquired nuclear weapons in 1967.
Since then Israel has been attacked by

Egypt

Syria

Lebanon

Jordan

Iraq

Libya

Kuwait

Algeria

Morocco

Sudan

Tunisia

More Israeli casualties have occurred after acquiring nuclear weapons than before so I fail to see how they have made Israelis safer.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582280#Comment_123582280

Blanch there comes a time when one has to face the reality that, what you accuse other countries and groups of. Supporting militias and proxies, (South Lebanese Army) terrorism (the Baghdad Bombings, the Lavon Affair, the Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners) Israel has a history of doing also. Why are you outraged at the terrorism of Iran yet defend the terrorism of Israel?

Other than simple double standards what is the motivation for the hypocrisy?