Complex discovered under the great Pyramids

Mattyonthepatty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123327179#Comment_123327179

Let's not be so hasty and hope for a thorough investigation of the site.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123327901#Comment_123327901

It's sort of telling that you don't see anything weird about the fact that you're selling this as some momentous academic discovery yet they dodged the peer review process pretty intentionally.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123327976#Comment_123327976

Is there anyone in the world who will do a peer review on a discovery that might be considered woo. The peer review process might just not be sufficient to address this issue

The reactions from Egyptian scholars online have already shown the contrary..they are already claiming to know 100 percent that it is untrue..What is stopping a research team not associated with this group from taking a look?

Can release a statement of credit later do find something.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123327901#Comment_123327901

Metabunk is a discussion forum, but by skeptics, it's a good place to start if someone suspects pseudo-science

Pseudo-science usually reveals itself through generic red flags: lack of peer review, lack of consensus, cherry-picked data, sources with strange beliefs, etc.

This recent pyramids thing is from a 2022 paper that wasn't peer reviewed and one of the authors believes that aliens are covertly trying to control our souls.

If people want to ignore that and believe this stuff, that's perfectly fine, but it never hurts to be aware.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123328044#Comment_123328044

Gary Nolan, a highly regarded scientist with numerous published medical journals, believes that non-human entities are visiting Earth. In contrast, Mick West, a video programmer known for creating a skate game, does not share this belief. If you are seeking a credible scientist to validate the position that non-humans are not visiting Earth, Mick West might not be the ideal choice given his background.

There are some top scientists on the planet who publish in peer-reviewed journals who do not universally mock conspiracy theories as your claim suggests.

2022 paper

There was a claim made. There is no peer review process in place

An independent team that was not part of this group validated the claim

The technology result passed with flying colors.

I think what really upsets you about what they claim is that it involves potentially stuff that has the potential to shatter your entire world

I don't understand why we are not allowing this team to go further with this research since they confirmed something previously unknown in the past.

PixelCrafter

Someone sounds like they’ve been watching Silo…

2km deep structures is impractical, even with present day technology.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123328088#Comment_123328088

Gary Nolan, really. Gary Nolan. Seriously, Gary Nolan. Doesn't matter what his scientific background is, he hasn't produced a squat of evidence apart from some scrap of metal.

I don't know why your questioning Mick Wests background, he has as much knowledge and experience as anyone else in UFOology as no one has presented anything but potato grade photos and third hand hear say. Plus he has the advantage of not being credulous.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123328088#Comment_123328088

This isn't normal archaeology, these researchers are claiming there are these staggeringly massive "pillars" under the Pyramids. The science is flimsy, at least one of them believes in aliens and demons, and one of the others believes the Pyramids could be 38,000 years old and that there's a vast ancient city under them.

Good response here by a satellite archaeologist on the subject

Yeah Right

@Cheerful S

These researchers will have to battle the naysayers and people who call them frauds.

That's a strange thing to say, coming from the "question everything" crowd. You have previously stated that everything should be queried and challenged. Funny how that doesn't apply to the crazy nonsense that reaffirms your already-held beliefs.

There are vested interests in keeping things the same as they are. There might be a change in this soon.

These two sentences are in direct contradiction with each other. Also, carrot dangling 101, of which you are an expert.

The archaeological science is one of the factors contributing to the breakdown of the control system, which I raised in another thread of the forum.

WTF does this mean? This is actual gobbledygook. You can't keep stringing words together to make yourself sound smarter than you are. You might as well have thrown in a bit about flux capacitors.

The idea that everyone can become a doppler expert overnight is unrealistic. 

He says, without a hint of irony, after previously claiming the technology is both realistic and successful: "As far as the accuracy of the technology is concerned, based on what I have been able to gather, it appears to be quite successful at the moment."

The structures remain in place, and if you want to debunk this, you can simply drop a high resolution underground camera into a small hole and observe it from the side.

You can't, if they don't exist. How do you know there are structures remaining in place?

Unfortunate but their release was in Italian. 

This makes no sense. Why would they delay the release because they speak Italian?

My guess is they sat on this paper until more came out to verify their findings in the 2022 study.

So, what came out to verify their findings? Why would you say this and then not supply anything to support it. Surely you have something which made you make this guess?

However, this does mean its alien. 

You have already stated that you're guessing at things, you don't even know of there's anything there, you're not an expert in the area, you're urging caution until more comes out, but it's DEFINITELY aliens……….riiiiiight.

You have to investigate the hypothesis and if there is no evidence, you can discard it

No, that's not how it works. Not science, at least. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

You don't say "the moon is made out of calvita triangles…..prove me wrong". Instead, you put forward your theory that it's made out of calvita, why you think it, what evidence you have to back it up, what you have found which disproves the current accepted theory about its composition, and ask others to review it and poke holes in it.

It either stands up to scrutiny or it doesn't. This is the way of science. This is how it's done in every scientific field, across the board, with good reason. These guys have deliberately and conspicuously side-stepped that vital process. Why did they do this? If it's good science, prove it and get it peer-reviewed. The absence of this, alone, should be ringing alarm bells in everyone's minds, and it does. Except yours. Because you are deluded and have a raging hard-on for all things alien. To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Is there anyone in the world who will do a peer review on a discovery that might be considered woo. The peer review process might just not be sufficient to address this issue

The entire Egyptian archaeology sector would break their bollocks trying to prove/disprove this, if given the chance. There are, literally, tens of thousands of people who would kill to do a peer review. I've no idea what this second sentence means because you have difficulty stringing a sentence together, please explain what it means.

What is stopping a research team not associated with this group from taking a look?

The guys who didn't get it peer-reviewed in the first place. This is by design, not by accident. They are circumventing normal protocols for some reason. you are now using that as a reason to believe them, instead of the opposite, because you're desperate for it to be true.

Can release a statement of credit later do find something.

What?

An independent team that was not part of this group validated the claim

But we've already established that it wasn't peer reviewed. What team validated it? Where is their validation?

There are some top scientists on th planet who publish in peer-reviewed journals who do not universally mock conspiracy theories as your claim suggests.

So why didn't these guys do that? Is it because they're full of sh1t? Why are you accepting their word for it with SFA to back it up? Answer: because you're desperate for it to be true.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123340641#Comment_123340641

The lack of awareness here is very evident. Aren't you people questioning the validity of their findings based on the possibility that someone on this team believes in aliens? What you're writing seems nonsensical, especially when I've clearly stated that another research team, aligned with more conventional historical perspectives, could review the data and conduct a proper excavation to determine the truth?

"Clearly, you don't understand the difference between what I would like to happen and what is very likely. You assert with 100 percent certainty that if it were genuine, Egyptian researchers would be all over this. However, just days after this story appeared, we have already seen some experts in that community telling papers and online sites that this science was impossible.

"How can the experts be so certain after just days? The Italian scientists released their early findings in 2022 and have conducted similar scans revealing a previously unknown chamber complex in the Great Pyramid."

In many ways, the 2022 study is peer-reviewed because if you can demonstrate your technology can find structures previously unknown to Egyptian archaeology, you have to at least consider the possibility that what they found now is real. Don't you think?

Discoveries like this are meant to wake humans up.

The presentation was in Italian, which is how it reached the world, rather than in English.This may explain why people were confused about the use of ground-penetrating radar, as the wrong information could have stemmed from the presentation being in Italian rather than English.

The presentation is available on YouTube. It's not my responsibility to search for their work for you. If you're going to debunk something, at least have the respect to look up what they're saying.

Maybe I am deluded; we'll soon find out.

You come across as angry and temperamental, only responding because you seem rudely interested in countering anyone who doesn't agree with you. That's what the forum is for, I guess, and you post a lot of words, so here's a post.

I never denied the alien . I mentioned that archaeology and science are important for the events to come. The system, which is everything we know—communication, banking, economics, international relations, work, war—is all coming down. I said in August 2024 that the crisis would worsen in 2025, leading into the summer before Trump came to power. We have been in the early stages since April, and it will become noticeable to most around June and July, hitting a tipping point around September and October. To most people, it may seem like it's on a guided course set in motion by Trump, but it's not actually caused by him. It's the result of humanity's interactions with each other over a long time. Trump is just an effect of the **** world we live in.

Humanity has been **** up the world for a long time; it's very simplistic to think Trump is the only problem. Everyone has been contributing to it.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123348982#Comment_123348982

Except they've done something that's impossible to do with the technology so the fact they claim they've done something is not equivalent to peer review.

silliussoddius

Also didn’t they fail to detect the water table?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123349361#Comment_123349361

It should be noted that the initial analysis of this group's work, which was based on expert opinions, incorrectly suggested the use of ground-penetrating radars in this case. As a matter of fact, this misinformation even appeared in this thread. Using old news here still?

In my opinion, I do not know if the scans prove what the researchers claim, but I do think there is something there right now.

In 2022, discovery has been made and got confirmed and they are showing images of technology scanning deeper under a mountain in Italy and showing the tunnels of an underground physics laboratory in the presentation. I haven't seen any expert debunk this so far?

Claiming technology can not do this. Based on what misinformation presented online so far?

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123351582#Comment_123351582

You already said this, the technology they're using still doesn't do what they claim it can... So technically impossible... So nope, not old news. All up to date!

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123351584#Comment_123351584

Never said that. In which post did I say that the technology could not map structures beneath sand? Give me the number of the post on here

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123351595#Comment_123351595

You didn't say it, I already pointed you to this earlier in the thread... So they achieved something that simply isn't technically feasible with the technology. On top of that, there's no indication that they were even using it. Simple question, can you point me to some proof that sar technology that it can penetrate kilometers into the ground?

https://techninjasinc.ca/blogs/blog/debunking-the-myth-can-sar-doppler-tomography-detect-hidden-chambers-beneath-the-pyramids

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123351948#Comment_123351948

They are claiming the structures start just beneath the base of the pyramid, not too deep. They use specialized software, likely employing phonics or sound wave technology, to map what might be hidden underneath. The claim that there are five pillars just beneath the base is scientifically testable.. People are getting confused these structures are 2km down. the structures begin just under the base.

Pillar-like pathways may not be unusual, but the claim that there are well-like structures potentially containing water, connected by giant cubes, is indeed strange. Think all very testable science if the pillars are there just below the base.

silliussoddius

Or before people start destroying the pyramids, they could go to an area with deep mine shafts and prove their good vibrations technology works.

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123352505#Comment_123352505

This post is mostly nonsense. Can you explain, for instance, what you think "phonics" is, and how it could be used in this case?

JJayoo

The equipment they used to map out these huge underground structures is only capable of penetrating a few meters into solid rock, it's also not new technology so it's capability are fully known. I'm sure Graham Hancock is frothing himself making a new Netflix series as we speak lol

Seth Brundle

Also bear in mind that it may not be rock under the pyramids…

https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2025/03/25/giant-toblerone-found-underneath-egyptian-pyramids/

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123356774#Comment_123356774

Yes, but they invoke woo vibrations for their claims.
I think Hancock and others weren’t too keen on this, probably have to be seen to be against some lunatic fringe.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123352626#Comment_123352626

Mick and co discuss it on this page (e.g. post 88)

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/claim-giza-plateau-discovery-of-a-huge-city-under-the-pyramids.14095/page-3

The data and Biondi's interpretation of it is not convincing to say the least

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123356748#Comment_123356748

My information comes from what I read and I am not an expert in this field. The mapping was done by using private industry satellites over the pyramid site. The radar scans got they analysed from multiple angles to create a 3D model of the site.

In order to analyze pyramid sites, the team takes a very innovative approach by converting raw radar scans into phonic data, which can be used as the basis for sound-based imaging. Think of it as something similar to sonar/soundwaves. Under the pyramid, different objects are interpreted based on the unique sounds they emit under the surface of the pyramid.

The team discovered the hidden chamber in the Great Pyramid using this software. This technology has also been applied to map the Mosul Dam in Iraq and to map a mountain in Italy, which has the deepest science lab in the world located inside it. It seems that the tunnel system of the lab is deeper than the structures beneath the pyramid based on the amount of information they showed on the youtube video.

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123358030#Comment_123358030

What does "phonic data" mean? You posted it there, in an explanation, surely you know what it means? You're not just regurgitating something without understanding it, are you?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123358370#Comment_123358370

You are attempting to drag me into a debate about what I know about phonic data when all I am doing is explaining the method they used. I have never claimed to be an expert.

It still appears that there is some confusion around this issue online.

The claim that conventional SAR imaging methods are being used to map the pyramid is incorrect.

The claim is that SAR topography, combined with the italian scientists patented new software created a acoustic mapping of above-ground and underground structures. This software uses sound, light, vibration, and movement to create detailed maps.

The technology is said to have successfully mapped the Great Pyramid of Giza in 2022, revealing hidden chambers and shafts, as well as mapping other natural and human-made features on Earth.

It is natural for people to have skepticism about this science, because the science is new and in its very early stages of research. To begin with, this is due to the credentials of the people involved in this story that caused so much controversy online. Scientists are highly respected in their field, so that's why the story gathered so much interest in the first place. See what happens.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123358758#Comment_123358758

It is natural for people to have skepticism about this science, because the science is new and in its very early stages of research. To begin with, this is due to the credentials of the people involved in this story that caused so much controversy online. Scientists are highly respected in their field, so that's why the story gathered so much interest in the first place. See what happens.

Real science allows for peer reviews!

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123348982#Comment_123348982

Absolute gobbledygook of the highest order. Complete and utter scutter from start to finish, and that's before we even get into facts like you've completely ignored everything that I've posted and are refusing to back up your previous posts (because you can't, because you're making it all up on the fly, so you can't keep track of when you contradict yourself or make outlandish claims, so you just ignore everything that's put to you).

You come across as angry and temperamental, only responding because you seem rudely interested in countering anyone who doesn't agree with you. That's what the forum is for, I guess, and you post a lot of words, so here's a post.

You come across as deranged. Like you're actually having a mental breakdown. If a family member of mine started texting me this nonsense, I'd look to have them committed. I'm being 100% sincere right now, your posts have taken a dive into the mentally insane realm. I genuinely think that if you believe all of this crap that you put on here, that you should seek professional help. Genuinely.

In many ways, the 2022 study is peer-reviewed because if you can demonstrate your technology can find structures previously unknown to Egyptian archaeology, you have to at least consider the possibility that what they found now is real. Don't you think?

No, I don't think.

It wasn't peer reviewed because they never circulated it to their peers for review. You made a claim that they did, and that it was independently reviewed. I asked by whom, and you dodged the question. So, tell us, who were the "independent team that was not part of this group [who] validated the claim"?

They don't exist, do they? You made them up and then forgot about making them up, didn't you? And now you're scrambling because you've been found out and you've no way of addressing your lies without losing face, so you're calling me angry and temperamental so you can justify (in your own mind, at least) not having to explain yourself further, aren't you?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123358767#Comment_123358767

I agree with you; it will be essential to replicate this research by others as well. In the claim, show an image of long tube-like blocks just beneath the pyramid base. Confirming this would require minimal excavation to determine if these are rocks or the objects described by the scientists. How are we going to move forward when people decide that they do not want to look underneath the surface? In order to verify if this is even a real thing, what is the best way to do it. Considering this, I think it would be good to do a dig at very low depth, and then drop a camera down to see what happens.

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123358758#Comment_123358758

I just want to know what you understand by the term "phonic data".

Because I know what I understand by it. And it doesn't have anything to do with ground penetrating radar or acoustic mapping.

So this leads me to believe that you are just repeating something that you read somewhere without understanding it. Again.