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Car and customs

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  • #32
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,797 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    tell that to my colleague who had his Tiguan stopped at the side of the road and had to pay on the spot + €1,600 in fines.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #33
    CrazyEric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭CrazyEric


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123295407#Comment_123295407

    Until someone actually provides an actual reference to a law I am going to think it is all ….." my brothers friends cousin…. type of stuff. I could legally own and drive a UK car on an Irish Licence in England, I came home on holidays and was stopped by a Garda who questioned the Irish licence and English car, I explained and he had no issue.

    It may be different if you don't own/insure the car in the UK and don't have a UK address I had both.



  • #34
    Charles Babbage
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123302141#Comment_123302141

    You successfully convinced the Guard that you were not resident in the ROI, so of course the restriction on residents driving cars registered elsewhere did not apply to you. The Customs might have investigated more thoroughly. You may have been required to exchange your Irish licence in GB, if you were in fact resident there.



  • #35
    GSBellew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123302141#Comment_123302141

    Section 139 of the Finance Act 1992



  • #36
    Marcusm
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123302141#Comment_123302141

    It’s not about what licence you hold nor what “address” you have access to, it’s about where you are resident, generally where you are 185 days a year or more with some minor aspects for people who have different family and occupational ties. The law is encompassed with the temporary exemption from VRT on a foreign registered car entering the state. It’s s135 FA 1992 and the regulations made there under.



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  • #37
    Sid 1984
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123302141#Comment_123302141

    Did you actually read any of the previous posts?



  • #38
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123302654#Comment_123302654

    Specifically, normal residence and not ordinary residence. Normal residence is quite "sticky", a few months working in England would not suffice to change it.

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/vrt/reliefs-and-exemptions/transfer-of-residence.aspx



  • #39
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,834 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123304770#Comment_123304770

    With respect, your comment is not in any way a response to what I posted.



  • #40
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123305049#Comment_123305049

    It is not a response, it is a clarification. You used the word "residence" which people often associate with ordinary residence not normal residence.



  • #41
    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,414 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    Living in UK for years, Irish licence, UK car owned and driven in UK. No issue with me driving in Ireland as I am not normally resident these days.

    But none of my family/friends could drive my car legally even for 5mins when I'm back home.

    You can say they don't mind or won't ask, but it is 100% most certainly not allowed.



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  • #42
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,834 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123305108#Comment_123305108

    Actually, I used the word “resident” followed by “generally where you are 185 days a year or more with some minor aspects for people who have different family and occupational ties”; if you consider the post, you might find it more illuminating. Your reference to “a few months” merely casts shadows where none are required.



  • #43
    Charles Babbage
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123305217#Comment_123305217

    Going to England for 9 months with the intention of returning would not move your normal residence, but it is over 183 days.



  • #44
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,834 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123305360#Comment_123305360

    and in those circumstances, if they bought a car in England they should not drive it to Ireland on holiday if their personal ties remain here as they would not satisfy the definition of a “person established outside the state” to obtain the temporary exemption from the obligation to register their car here (SI 60/1993). That’s one of the “minor exceptions” to which I referred.



  • #45
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,419 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123288485#Comment_123288485

    I had a work colleague in Donegal who drove her northern reg car to work. Her husband was a customs officer.



  • #46
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    There are irregularities in the Irish law.. I don't know enough about the in's and out 's to explain it fully, but revenue has issues seizing unregistered cars from the Polish (back in the mid 00s) because of ties they had back in their home country.

    Yes I agree with what posters are saying about, not being legally able to drive a UK reg car in Ireland, while holding an Irish license, and being resident in Ireland, but, there are legal technicalies if someone has a connection outside the state .

    Just like the loopholes for unregistered vehicles, and the whole numberplate loop hole, and the drug driving loophole. It's not as straightforward as linking to a specific Act or statute or other piece of legislation, as they are often tied to other acts and legislation.

    This is where good solicitors make their money.

    Just like the 24hr ban to wipe your penalty points, the general public won't hear about it, until it's being closed.

    Post edited by mikeecho on


  • #47
    goochy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,054 ✭✭✭goochy


    Revenue were quick to sort out the poles when they started driving around Polish reg cars..probably let them send them home ..guy out my way driving uk range rover for quite a while ..some amount of vat and vrt bring missed out on



  • #48
    Marcusm
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123308245#Comment_123308245

    One near me had an Aston Martin Rapide on U.K. export plates from 2016-28, eventually Irish registered, all ties in Ireland, expect the value reduced enough. Doubt Revenue even realised enough to see that it had to be in Ireland for years before it was registered.



  • #49
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,154 ✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123308647#Comment_123308647

    There was a guy near me who bought a brand new RHD Renault van from France, it had export plates and was never registered there.

    He drove it here for a full year and then registered it as a brand new van in 2025. Presumably he didn’t pay any VAT in France and probably didn’t pay any here either



  • #50
    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,414 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    And I have a mate drove a Sherman tank as a daily for years and he was never stopped....

    Not sure the answer you want op. Is it allowed, no. Can you probably get away with it, yes.



  • #51
    galwaytt
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123302232#Comment_123302232

    Yes, it's quite clear in the legislation, including temporary importation.

    Also: SI60/1993 - Section 5 (1) C as follows:

    5. (1) The exemption under section 135 (a) of the Act shall be granted for a period not exceeding 12 months from the date upon which the vehicle concerned was brought into the State or such longer period as the Commissioners in their discretion may allow in any particular case, if the vehicle—

    ( a ) is owned by or registered in the name of a person established outside the State,

    ( b ) is not disposed of or hired out in the State or lent to a person established in the State, and

    ( c ) whilst in the State, is not driven by a person established in the State save with the permission of the Commissioners.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #52
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,797 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123302141#Comment_123302141

    You can drive a UK car in the UK, on an Irish licence - for a particular length of time only, no more than 12 months. And then you must surrender your RoI licence and get a UK one. It's not an open-ended arrangement.

    And you'll find roadside police in the UK far less accomodating at the side of the road if you do.

    I have lived in the UK, been resident there, surrendered my licence there and got it back when I moved back here, so this is not 'man in the pub stuff'.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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