VindVRS

mirrormatrix

Hi,

Considering going with these for replacement windows throughout house. Price looks good but the U-value of their triple glazed AluClad windows seems lower than I would expect.

Anyone here any experience with them that they could PM to me please?

Cheers

Calahonda52

why aluclad in this climate?

mirrormatrix

Ah stop would ya. Every post i've seen on this website on aluclad you're right there implying that the timber will get damaged. Do you have a company selling upvc windows or something?

encorton1

Sent you a PM

fatty pang

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058402720/vindvrs

What system are they punting these days ? If its still the SAS ‘Hybrid’ system shown on their website I’d give it a swerve if only because SAS no longer appear to be manufacturing/supporting it. The Hybrid system was designed for aluminium and upvc fabricators that wanted an ‘aluclad’ window and could assemble it using their existing machinery with minimal disruption. No understanding of timber required.

The system didn’t accommodate the wider triple-glazing constructions (16-18mm cavities) that produce the better U-values. Of more concern, IMHO is the preponderance of timber profiles with horizontal surfaces which is not a great idea where timber will be exposed to water. The profiles used are optimised for costs (stocking & fabrication) rather than long-term durability.

fatty pang

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272256#Comment_123272256

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I’ve been waiting years for him to stand it up. My money is on having half-digested a report of a system used in some other part of the world (there are numerous ‘aluclad’ designs) or, some instance where the installation was a spectacular cock-up. Some years ago one of our more prominent local facade consultants was telling anybody who would listen that all alu-clad timber windows had an expected service-life of 12 years. The 'report' they produced looked like it had been prepared by a kid doing a transition year work-experience placement. Sure enough the report was based on one notorious Celtic Tiger project in Docklands where the window installation was undertaken/overseen by people who obviously didn’t know what they were doing.

mirrormatrix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123276814#Comment_123276814

Yes, it's the SAS hybrid system. Thanks very much for the detailed feedback! I'll do some more research, but it sounds like I should steer clear of this product. Really appreciate your comments.

EpiphoneSpecial

funny we looked at these too but they quoted us for upvc/aluminum as they advised better overall window

mirrormatrix

Interesting! Did you go with that upvc/aluminium product in the end?

fatty pang

'A better overall window' is just the polite way for a window sales rep to indicate it's a higher margin/commission product.

EpiphoneSpecial

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123278800#Comment_123278800

Still quoting around

EpiphoneSpecial

Have I got it wrong or are you bashing aluclad and upvc/aluminium windows?

The price difference was marginal btw

encorton1

I’m gonna be honest, looking at their website, I wouldn’t be buying much off them 😅 Their aluminium systems look poor and the only one that looks relatively OK is the SAS SPW600 (which coincidentally is their “top of the range”, and judging by the section in the brochure - they are susceptible to a major security flaw).

For their uPVC range I can only find the general suppliers but not the products themselves which is annoying.

EpiphoneSpecial

How do you know what comes with what? Or is it just a case of asking for details.

Our quote was a S700 sliding door and uPVC Casement Windows.

encorton1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123279727#Comment_123279727

It's a case of asking for details and finding a balance of window performance vs glass performance. You don't want to buy a 7-chambered uPVC window filled with PU/EPS and a 28mm double glazed unit as you will be paying a ton of money for a super high performance frame with a glass unit that is OK, but not for this type of window. Same with aluminium windows and PVC.

My issue with the blanket statement of "Rehau & Spectus" that Vindr VS call on their website is that Rehau has multiple systems at different price points and performance. So, you need to know exactly what you spend your money on. Same with glass - saying "28mm double glazed unit" is not enough.

fatty pang

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123279544#Comment_123279544

You have – my ‘bash mode’ doesn’t leave much room for doubt. In this instance I was offering an informed opinion on a specific system.

Price difference shouldn’t be used to judge quality or performance, particularly when one has very little understanding about what one might be buying.