Eir VOB on a FTTH conection

Irish_John

Hi there all. Pulling what's left of my hair out trying to get this to work.

When I renewed by B'Band with eir, with voice, they decommissioned my copper line.

I have my own gear so thought it would not be a problem. Data - no problem.

Voice of Broadband - not working and have tried all possibilities, I think!

I have the ethernet from the fibre ONT connected to the WAN port on my router.

I tried an ethernet link from the router to both the WAN port and a LAN port on the F3000,

but it looks like it cannot activate the voice port as the DNS would need to reconcile the 2 entries

on the F3000 for voice gateway to the "external" eir VOIP addresses, which is not possible as they are

not externally accessible!

Has anyone got this to work - this being a UDM pro with eirs Talk offering over VOB?

Irish_John

Anyone?

Glaceon

Have you tried putting a switch between your ONT and F3000/UDM Pro WAN ports? I don’t think it’ll work with the F3000 behind the UDM.

Irish_John

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123256138#Comment_123256138

@Glaceon Thanks for suggestion. Yeah, I have a 2.5Gb x 5 port on order but was hoping for something a bit slicker. Not bothered with the double-natting that will result if I use a switch, but if I could figure the DNS piece out it would work using config as above. Problem is I don't have the aliases eir may (or may not!) have set-up for the internal urls.

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123256280#Comment_123256280

You’ll only end up with double NAT if you connect this way:

ONT to F3000 WAN, F3000 LAN to UDM.

The switch would get around that because you’d connect both WAN ports to the ONT via the switch. I don’t think anyone really knows how the phone service works on these because it’s undocumented and Eir don’t provide any SIP credentials. There could be a phone VLAN involved.

KildareP

If you do NOT have a static IP (and don't care about IPv6):

• Leave your UDM WAN port in DHCP mode (not PPPoE) with the WAN port connected to the ONT
• Plug the F3000 into a LAN port on the UDM and set the F3000 WAN port into PPP mode
• The F3000 will bring up a PPPoE session through the UDM and get its own WAN IP, and the UDM will have its own separate WAN IP.

If you DO have a static IP (or care about IPv6):

• You will need a 5-port switch, one port connected to the ONT, with the UDM and F3000 connected to one of the other ports
• UDM in PPPoE mode
• F3000 in DHCP mode (which it is by default).

PixelCrafter

Would be a lot handier if they just sold a DECT phone base station or something that you could use with any router.

I don't really see the point of their landline services as they are.

Irish_John

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123260577#Comment_123260577

@KildareP Afraid not, but thanks for reply. Tried that config as per original post, the DNS is the problem as there is no way for the UDM to have a DNS entry for the SIP services, as you would on say a corporate LAN (create a DNS entry on the DCs for the IP to SIP url mapping).

Irish_John

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123273165#Comment_123273165

PS using a switch does not need PPPoE as both devices will be assigned an external IP, but there is a speed overhead for this. This is only said for the benefit of anyone else looking for a solution, your reply most welcome.

KildareP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123273165#Comment_123273165

The F3000 is not routing via the UDM, the PPPoE tunnels through it on Layer 2. It doesn’t see anything on your local LAN.

I have this exact setup (albeit a Fritzbox into the ONT with F3000 connected through using PPPoE) and it is working fine.

CalamariFritti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058399546/eir-vob-on-a-ftth-conection

I have an old thread about this problem. To get right to the bottom - the login credentials which you need to connect to Eir's SIP server will not be revealed to you by Eir. In fact I was told they actually dont know them themselves. They are system generated and will be pushed out to their routers via automated remote config. Both them and you can only see the encrypted credentials and entering those into your own equipment will of course not work.

Basically what that means you cannot directly connect to Eir's SIP server with your own equipment. I'm pretty sure you can connect local VOIP devices like soft phones to your Eir router. But the first device in line to connect to Eir's SIP server must be their Eir router.

I since have switched to digiweb who are using Fritzboxes (which I had already) but the same problem applies. They pushed a SIP config to my Fritzbox enabling voice services over broadband and I can register all sorts of VOIP devices to my Fritzbox but again the external credentials are not know to me.

This is my old thread. I think this very much applies to your problem.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057858144/eir-voip-landline-config

This is Fritzbox's SIP config screen. As you can see the password is not revealed. Username is basically your full international phone number. These details were deployed by remote config and any meddling will make VOIP stop working.

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123273330#Comment_123273330

Off-topic I know, but there are tools and websites to read the configuration files exported from a Fritz, that might help you get the credentials.

CalamariFritti

I read the configuration but the password is a one way hash

Irish_John

Never said it was (that UDM doing routing in a switch usage scenario). The F3000 would run for sip access only, with WiFi and dhcp off.

KildareP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123274347#Comment_123274347

Tried that config as per original post, the DNS is the problem as there is no way for the UDM to have a DNS entry for the SIP services, as you would on say a corporate LAN

The F3000 doesn’t need anything at all on the UDM (except if the UDM blocks PPPoE from LAN-side devices) - there is no DNS entry to create because the F3000 is directly on it’s on WAN connection over PPPoE.

CalamariFritti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123274375#Comment_123274375

And it doesnt use a DNS name in their SIP config but an actual IP address so no DNS service needed at that point. In my case anyway and not that this should be a problem.

Not sure tbh what the OP is trying to achieve. I thought the OP was trying to omit the Eir router altogether and use just their own hardware (except for the ONT). AFAIK this is not supported.

I have my own gear so thought it would not be a problem. Data - no problem.

I have the ethernet from the fibre ONT connected to the WAN port on my router.

If the Eir router was to be first in line there shouldn't be a problem. WAN as described above and as for SIP the Eir router should be the local SIP server no?

KildareP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123274492#Comment_123274492

I'm a bit confused myself as to what they're after!

The SIP registrar is vobb-pub.voice.eir.ie and it will only resolve using the eir DNS servers on an eir connection.

The problem is no-one in eir genuinely can give you the auth password - it's auto-generated by their provisioning system and pushed out to the modem over TR069. All the agents see is a 32-character hash of the password - which of course does not work.

The newer F3500 seems to display another auth password in its logs (about 12-characters) during initial boot up when TR069 is provisioning it but that seems to be hashed or truncated as it doesn't work either.

The simple answer is - if you want VoBB landline you HAVE to use their modem for that aspect but you can use whatever you like for the internet side of things.

Solution 1:

• 5 port switch into the ONT and your modem and eir's into that, both grab independent WAN IPs
• Your network connects into your own modem, only the landline connects into eir's phone port

Solution 2 (my own case):

• Your modem in DHCP/IPoE mode and the eir in PPPoE mode connected into a LAN port of your modem
• Landline connects into the eir phone port

CalamariFritti

Thats what I thought too.

Eircom's router has to be in play or else no VOIP/SIP. I'd use it as first in line then from there I'd connect WAN traffic directly into my own routers WAN port. Then let my own router do all the local home networking like WiFi whatnot.

And as for SIP

• you either simply use the Eir router for telephony - connect SIP devices like phones or soft phones to the Eir router
• or else use the Eir router as your own local SIP server. You should be able to configure your own router as a SIP client of the Eir router. Then connect phones to your own router.
  SIP forwarding of a sort which I have not done myself tbh. Meaning I'm not 100% sure about the configuration, but AFAIK it should be absolutely possible.

When I had that problem I tried to get the SIP credentials only to find out this was not going to happen. Reason was I wanted to use my own Fritzbox instead of the Eir router but no joy. Then I found out that digiweb uses Fritzboxes so in the end I switched to digiweb and they remote configured my SIP no problem. Not my preferred solution as I still dont know the SIP credentials for liberal use but I really didnt need to anymore and I got what I wanted in the end, the use of my Fritzbox.

And tbh digiweb are fantastic compared to Eir who are IMO the most cheap-skating, price-gouging, worst-supported and generally clueless provider there is in Ireland. And they're not cheaper than digiweb either from what I can see.

Edit: Not sure your solution 1 is supported. Would they allow you two WAN IP's on the same line/ONT?

KildareP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123274581#Comment_123274581

Both solutions speaking from experience - they will definitely allow 2 x WAN IPs as an eir retail customer.

daraghwal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123274581#Comment_123274581

To get your SIP credentials for liberal use you can download a backup from the fritzbox (System > Backup > Save) taking note of the password, uploading into this https://www.mengelke.de/Projekte/FritzBox-JSTool , decrypting it with the password you used and searching through it for any usernames or passwords you might want including PPPoE details.

CalamariFritti

Wow, that seems to have worked thank you!

I used the full php tool instead of the JST version, but it spat out an apparently decrypted config. All the passwords are correct as far I know them so I guess the SIP one will be too. Its definitely something other than the 32 byte hash.