No longer employable?

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123299669#Comment_123299669

It's not like that on re-advertising. It's fast, I get the rejection, but the same position gets reposted as I get the rejection, even before. I don't think there is enough time for an interview process to be turned down in the meantime.

Yes, I use Linkedin.

witchgirl26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123300176#Comment_123300176

Hey I was just offering a different perspective. And it doesn't matter really if it does get reposted. They decided you weren't right. Maybe they didn't get any right ones but instead just did the "we want to move forward with other candidates role" as a boiler plate reply.

But again you're focusing on that. Really would recommend maybe going to a recruiter or to a professional coach to get some advice on next steps for yourself.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123300161#Comment_123300161

Try and look at transferable skills so and see what ideas that might lead to - project management, leading people, influencing, client relationship building - all key skills - but also look at courses such as sustainability - that’s a growth area and companies need support there - but maybe appraise the jobs you’ve gone for too- we you truely on the mark with many or were you just applying for the sake of it - only you know the answer to that but it might bring some positive perspective - it’s possible the real roles you’re looking for and are hungry for are actually in short supply

PixelCrafter

The agism thing on the continent is FAR worse than Ireland. I applied for a job in Belgium and was told bluntly during the pre-interview on the phone that they weren't interviewing anyone over 35 as it didn't 'fit the look of the company'. This was for a mid-level job in a consultancy.

I also had a French speaking recruiter inquiring about my 'civil status' referring to my marital status ffs.

Whole thing really put me off applying for European jobs.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123300461#Comment_123300461

Jayzuz- I always assumed our primary employment laws around discrimination were EU wide but obviously not

littlefeet

My husband is well past retirement age and does a tiny bit of work. The thing is, it's contracts he's not expecting anyone to employ him, perhaps self-employed contracting is the way to go if you can't get a job, what other choice is there? I know a fair few working away in their 60s and have no issues, maybe agism is only in certain areas?

PixelCrafter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123300820#Comment_123300820

You'd think so, but … doesn't seem to be the case.

Really common to include your photograph, age, marital status etc on CVs too.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123303138#Comment_123303138

In terms of age, you’ll normally be able to deduce what age bracket simply based on their experience/academic studies documented in the CV anyway - given I’m now in the category of likely to be discriminated against 😃- I wouldn’t necessarily broadcast my age on a CV but essentially they’ll know how old I am pretty quickly anyway once they read it

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123303408#Comment_123303408

The thing is, I am on the wrong side of 50, and the Corona pandemic set me financially back as well, so the eagerness to work longer is in principal there for me. Plus I don't work manually, theoretically I could work until age 75. That is if HR and hiring managers play along.

I used to work in Ireland as well as the UK in the IT inside sales sector and they only seem to hire younger candidates, but at the same time constantly speak about "diversity and inclusion". If you're in your mid 30ies and have foreign language skills and a university degree headhunters are constantly after you. The attraction of these roles are the products, the technicality and the mathematical and analytical and the commercial aspect.

Why is age important to them: The IT inside sales sector in Ireland isn't always honest and can be backstabbing, and they fear that anybody with age and experience knows the tricks and doesn't fall for them and would potentially question management authority. There are strong management egos in American IT companies, no matter which nationality they are.

Microsoft and Oracle are the more serious employers in Ireland, they both tend to have an older workforce, but Salesforce, Meta and Linked-in or Hubspot are just younger people coming and going, internationals coming for some international experience and leaving for family reasons or too high rents in Dublin.

Salesforce used to be one of the top employers in Ireland, but things changed in favour for a hire and fire revolving door employment policy whilst at the same time they are constantly dishing out "culture and integrity".

Changing industry isn't easy either, as one can only do a limited amount of traing courses but still doesn't come across credible. Sales skills are in general a good basis for changing, but again, credibility and industry knowledge and industry experience are also very very relevant. One needs to find an employer who is happy to hire somebody who wants and needs to learn the new industry.