Retrieving firearm from AGS and licensing as deactivated

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riddles

a family member gave a gun into the guards as he didn’t want to license it. Does anyone know how long they are retained? - I would like to retrieve it as a family item but get the firing pin removed - is this a complex or expensive process?

otmmyboy2

Unless it was handed in for destruction they usually keep it for 3 months before destroying it.

If it was handed in for destruction it would be within a week or two usually before it was destroyed.

On deactivation, removing the firing pin wouldn't be sufficient to deactivate it to the legal requirements, and after a deactivation it would need to be proofed to certify that it is deactivated, which requires a national proof house which we don't have here.

So you'd be stuck sending it to the UK or further afield to get it deacted/certified.

There is a middle ground where you can send it to a gunsmith here to be deactivated to a standard the guards are happy with and then keep it on a written authorization(or firearms licence depending on your district) from your superintendent. As a workaround to sending it overseas for deactivation which for most would be prohibitively expensive.

FIrst thing I'd say would be to contact the station your relative handed the gun in to and chase it up to see if it is still around and not destroyed yet.

Grizzly 45

So you'd be stuck sending it to the UK or further afield to get it deacted/certified.

Then wait patiently about 2 years for it to be returned as that's what the backlog is while dealing with the UK Home Office ,who are not particulary enarmoured with dealing with us Paddies on firearms matters in any shape or form and as the UK has left the EU,it complicates things in transport,import and export and proof house certification validation.While shipping in the EU is easier,it is still about the same wait in any of the German proof houses,

Oh yeah and shipping.You have to send it in TWO seperate parcels[even Deacts] by a courier company as AP wont handle it, at about 100 euros a parcel,and it will come back to you whenever and from wherever you send it,at the same procdure and cost,with the bill for deactivation to UK/Eu standards,which can be another 100/200 euros depending

There is a middle ground where you can send it to a gunsmith here to be deactivated to a standard the guards are happy with and then keep it on a written authorization(or firearms licence depending on your district) from your superintendent. As a workaround to sending it overseas for deactivation which for most would be prohibitively expensive.

Another can marked "Worms" to be opened here.

Yes you can do that,BUT then you can never buy , sell it,inherit it ,or pass it on to your next of kin under the EU firearms directive,as it is an unauthorised Deact without an approved EU Deact cert.So once you or your relative passes on unless it has a proper Deact cert,it will be destroyed anyway if found by the PTB.

So unless this gun has some high monetary value,you are onto a hiding for nothing I'm afraid and if it is over 30 days since it was handed in,and your relative signed off on it,irrespective of what it was,its more than likely gone I'm sorry to say.

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123197973#Comment_123197973

Agree on most of that, but on this specifically:

Yes you can do that,BUT then you can never buy , sell it,inherit it ,or pass it on to your next of kin under the EU firearms directive,as it is an unauthorised Deact without an approved EU Deact cert.So once you or your relative passes on unless it has a proper Deact cert,it will be destroyed anyway if found by the PTB

Indeed it is not exactly treated as a deact, it is treated as a defective firearm which can be held under either a firearms cert(same as a live firearm but a lot less scrutiny and a zero for ammo allowance, and added conditions that basically say this may not be used/modified etc), or under an authorisation by your district superintendent.

And because of that it can be passed on to another relative, sold to a stranger etc provided they also have a authorisation or cert allowing them to hold it.

An Irish solution to a solely Irish problem indeed, but potentially a better option than shipping off to a proof house.

Uinseann_16

This can be done in Ireland DoJ has approved at least 2 people to deactivate firearms in the Republic of Ireland

Contact me for details

john_aero

In reality nearly easier get a license unless you wanted have it mounted on a wall