Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 01/08/25*

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123590995#Comment_123590995

The problem is we're digging ourselves deeper into a hole that we may not be able to get out of if it continues. We bring in high earners at the top end who push up accommodation costs for locals and also large numbers of low-skilled workers who keep wages down for locals (as well as pushing up accommodation costs at the lower end). This is in addition to medical, education and other services in short supply.

We need to start focusing on what the country needs in addition to the interests of business. This includes our immigration policy.

We are getting to the stage where even if we wanted to bring in skilled construction workers to build those houses, we could not because those workers could not afford to live here in the first place! This is because we have not tailored our immigration policy to the needs of the country.

What we are doing is not sustainable.

Sunny Disposition

Front page story in the Sunday Times today is about the coming restriction of the provision of social housing to migrants.

It’s a clear admission by the Government that policies have failed. Again, those who advocated for less restrictions on immigration are being presented with the reality of what they wanted, but I guess they won’t see it like that.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123587356#Comment_123587356

The Focus Ireland comms person in the Irish Times claiming refugees are a non factor in social housing demand.

Given the Focus Ireland put out their own housing need numbers, I am curious as to how they determine them given no serious housing forecaster ignores the impact of migration.

Is he claiming we had 30% of our homeless from outside the EEA 10 years ago?

To deny that refugees (who are often highly vulnerable and need lots of support) do not put pressure on housing is just not credible.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591105#Comment_123591105

I'd be interested to know if there are many, if any, poster on here who changed their opinion on immigration in the last 18 months. It seems thats its always the same posters on either side and I don't think I've seen anyone who has done a 180⁰.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123590120#Comment_123590120

where have I said that MNCs should move out of Ireland?

JP Liz V1

Looks like a legislation bill is going to Dail to pass or not, and of course Gary Gannon isn't happy, I'm surprised he hasn't offered GPO for IPAs

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/06/29/report-on-coalition-plan-to-restrict-social-housing-for-migrants-dismissed-by-campaigners/

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591105#Comment_123591105

I didn't hear any details. What are the proposals?

Surely if asylum claims are processed faster, and failed AS removed, then that itself will reduce pressure on accomm?

Is the proposal to prevent failed AS being given social housing?

JP Liz V1

It looks like long term residents for social housing

lumphammer2

The native Irish criminal class shouting and roaring at people at the bus stop ….. on trains ….. firing stones at cars, buses, trains, houses, shops, etc. ….. they are who I want to see gone ….. and they are the very type who shout the loudest at anti migrant events with tuneless renditions of You'll never beat da Oirish …..

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591658#Comment_123591658

Unfortunately that isn't possible, but we can remove some of the new Irish criminal class, providing we haven't already given citizenship to everyone.

Mr. teddywinkles

Why are we discussing mncs. Workers in these companies come here legally.

My view is if you cant prove your identity or are from a war torn country or oppressed in some form (and in this case the question should be asked why did you not flee to nearby countries to seek refuge). And were not talking domestic problems or escaping some criminal gang ya stole money from.

Well there's your plane ticket . Out you go. There should be follow ups on this order and registered as not to be given any public services whatsoever. And before anyone says which country to deport to. Back to the same country they left and let them trace his/her route from that point

Paddy_Mag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591658#Comment_123591658

Not the family who were responsible for the murder of aisling murphy and subsequent attempt to cover it up and destroy evidence?

Ash.J.Williams

The most anti Irish part of this thread is the anecdote rule 😀

Mod Edit: Warned for commenting on moderation on thread

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591828#Comment_123591828

No that's fine , its the shouting at bustops 😀

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591776#Comment_123591776

The issue of bogus asylum seekers needs to be addressed but there's also the large issue of high levels of immigration and shortage of housing and services.

If it is just illegality that we are concerned about, we could simply change the laws and make everyone who comes here legal permanent residents with the right to work. If you look at government policy a few years ago, it was all about regularising undocumented migrants in the country making them legal.

The problem is political will and until that changes we have problems. I think the government now realise that there's a degree of discontent among the electorate but they still see high levels of inward migration as a good thing. Therefore they may clamp down on one form of inward migration (IPAS) only to increase it somewhere else.

Immigration policy needs to become more focused on what the country needs rather than merely what companies would like.

DeadHand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591105#Comment_123591105

The reality of what they wanted was presented more clearly in Sligo, in Tullamore and in Parnell Square.

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591828#Comment_123591828

The politicization of this case unashamedly is absolutely shocking.

Not a dickiebird out of anyone when it comes to Irish women killed by men known to them. No protests, nothing. In fact if there is any suggestion of addressing the elephant in those rooms, the men start clutching their pearls because how dare they be grouped as one.

Yet the same pearl-clutchers are happy to use a case of a woman murdered by an immigrant to further their anti-immigration agenda.

Look at Sarah Montgomery up in the north. No protests or violence. We all know why.

Just pure hypocrisy.

Paddy_Mag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123592421#Comment_123592421

Remember when Aisling Murphys boyfriend gave a victim impact statement , we didn't see any of the party leaders rushing out supporting him because of what he said, but they were all over Natasha OBrien after her assailant was given a suspended sentence.

If you want to talk about hypocrisy take a look at that.

lumphammer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591828#Comment_123591828

Criminals are criminals ….. and race should not come into it …… plenty murdered by the native Irish abuser ….. Elaine O'Hara …… Rachel Callaly …… race should not be used by racists to single out Aisling Murphy's situation as excuse for their agenda ….. Aisling's killers deserve to be punished like Reilly, Dwyer, et al were …… not because of their ethnicity but because of their crime ……

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123592421#Comment_123592421

I think violence against women has increased with culprits from everywhere, even Irish, I only heard of the word femicide this year

I agree about Aisling's case but I think her murder, the Sligo murders and the Parnell Square school stabbings, both so shocking and heinous, got people emotive in different ways, but the riots were not needed

I may be wrong but politicians were speaking about Aisling's murder until the suspect was named and it stopped

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123592598#Comment_123592598

“People went silent when the culprit was named.”

In any case. In every case. This is what happens.

There’s a courts principle called subjudice. It’s not some conspiracy or cover up. Once an accused appears in court, there is very little that can be said in public discourse because it is now a matter before the courts and any suspect has a right to a fair trial before a jury of their peers

Do you want politicians and the media to keep finding a suspect guilty before they’ve even faced a jury? Because there’s only one way that goes and that’s charges being dropped.

Is that what you want?

lumphammer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591728#Comment_123591728

I know we cannot remove them from the country ….. what I meant is to remove them from the streets …… prison, curfews, barring orders, etc can be applied against them and all racist protests should be stopped ….. the country needs to be tougher on lowlife criminals intimidating Irish and immigrant communities alike ….. and needs to be aware that many extreme politics are set up by people who have criminal records like that guy from Cork …. not to mention the notorious cage fighter from Dublin …..

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123592587#Comment_123592587

Correct, but Ashling’s case has been weaponised and you know it.

Puska’s wife pleading guilty absolutely scuppers any appeal attempt he’s going to make too. You love to see it.

However, there is a lot more outrage among these bad actors in cases like these, and the response when the likes of Jenny Poole, Nadine Lott etc are put to them it’s a shrug of the shoulders. The lives of Irish women only matter when it’s a foreigner involved and it’s sickening.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591776#Comment_123591776

I brought up MNCs because we have been told that Irish are both too educated to do some jobs and not educated enough for the tech industry. It doesn’t add up

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123592688#Comment_123592688

What part of that has you confused? Harder to fill menial jobs as a country gets richer and more educated and and we don't have enough tech graduates to fill some jobs

lumphammer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123592626#Comment_123592626

I agree this case has been weaponised ….. and is used and abused by many ….. the underlying problem of toxic masculinity in all cultures needs to be addressed …… I remember the Graham Dwyer case and how some people said that his victim 'brought it on herself' …… the reality is she was mentally ill and Dwyer abused her/took advantage …..

Toxic masculinity is normalised too often …… by celebrities like Conor McGregor ….. and all the smut on the Late Late Show and promoting Fifty Shades Of Grey when the Dwyer case was ongoing did not help either ….. and people like those Tates only add to the problem ….. it is time that this toxic influence is dealt with ….. too much bad stuff is being normalised and people are being conditioned by warped people via online platforms …..

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123592721#Comment_123592721

This thread is about immigration,there are more suitable threads for the points you raise.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123584921#Comment_123584921

Oh my God, imagine bringing direct quotes from statute law that directly contradict this argument. You utter swine. /s

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123592057#Comment_123592057

Talking about Sligo, I saw this yesterday from Sligo CCs Local Authority Integration Team (LAIT). It's their definition of integration.

Integration is, according to them: "the ability to participate to the extent that a person needs and wishes in all major components of society without having to relinquish his or her own cultural identity."

To me that reads awfully like a totally one way system where all their wants and needs are given to them without any responsibilities to do anything so basic as even trying to learn the language. Never mind even acknowledge that they have to adapt to such basic things as acknowledging women have a equal rights in Irish society unlike many of the societies they may have come from. If their own culutural identities state that women are second class citizens without many of the rights that women have here, how is that circle squared?

The same goes for things like FGM, which was unheard of in Ireland until recently.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123591564#Comment_123591564

The point is we need immigration to support the MNCs, despite having one of the best educated workforces in the world.

We cant have MNCs without some level of skilled immigration, yet the MNCs being present here creates great employment for the irish at the same time.