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Bit of a scam?

  • 07-01-2025 7:05pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭


    We've just had a load of work done on the house, full external insulation, new boiler, system and rads, attic insulation and composite door and the Ber came back as C1. A neighbours house just went up for sale with zero energy upgrades and an old wooden hall door and it has a C1 rating, can anyone explain how that's possible please? I hope there is a legit reason for it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,103 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    are the houses IDENTICAL?

    what independent information did you give the assessor for the C1 rating

    What was the before rating

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭youtheman


    Can you ask for the BER calculation spreadsheet?. If you have basic knowledge of Excel, and some idea of u-values, etc. then you can see what is driving the overall calculation and hence the rating.

    My brother bought a new house some time ago and I looked at the spreadsheet. I could see that the insulation in the attic was supposed to be 'x' cm (can't remember, but about double the height of the rafters). But I could see that it did not go higher than the rafters. I concluded then that 'paperwork never refused ink' and the BER process would not even pass a rudimentary QA/QC check.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,103 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    It's no longer a spreadsheet.

    So your allegation is that the BER was a fraud?

    So why didn't you do something about it rather than denigrate [aka pi$$ in on] the entire process and more importantly those of us who do it properly?

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭youtheman


    Cool your jets there!. I said I had the opportunity to look at one BER cert, and it didn't pass muster. So that particular cert could not be considered valid as far as I was concerned. And that's it. Fact. It wasn't my house anyway, so I had no skin in the game. If you do it properly then more power to you. Like all services, then will be a variation in the standard. On that particular occasion I found the standard to be extremely low (albeit in low sample).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,103 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    You do have skin in the game as you have a civic duty to call out this stuff.

    Re my jets, still T minus

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭youtheman


    I don't have skin in the game. Not my house. I informed the home owner (my brother). It was up to him to follow up. 'Civic duty' is a bit strong eh!. But we digress anyway!. Back on topic (didn't mean to derail the OP here!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Nope not identical, only one difference but it's a big one as my house is end of terrace and the other house is mid terraced. Ours is at the upper end of the C1 and theirs is at the lower end. We didn't get a ber done before the work which I don't understand. I just presumed they would do one. Is it possible to get "dodgy" certs? I just cannot see how these two houses have the same rating with the vast difference in all the energy upgrades. The other house has an ancient gas boiler and a big open fireplace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭itsacoolday


    Paper never refuses ink, and like all services, there is a variation in quality and standard, for different reasons. Plus sometimes genuine mistakes are made. People are human. I know of one person of property shall we say, he trialled 3 different BER people until he found one the best for him.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Like for like, end of terrace will fair worse than mid terrace due to more exposed walls.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,432 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    assuming a basic shape an 'end of terrace' could have 33% more exposed floor and 33% more exposed wall for heat loss. That is significant.

    its difficult to comment without seeing both BER assessments, but that alone COULD account for the same ratings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Thats good to hear so, cheers, I might look into what it would take to get us that bit higher up into the b3 rating



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Thats what we got back



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,432 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Have you any open fires?

    Do you have a stat on your hot water cylinder? (Actually on the cylinder and not the pipes from it)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    No open fires, we got a new cylinder, boiler and rads with the hive hub running the heating and hot water. What exactly should be I be looking for on the cylinder?



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,432 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    can you take a picture of the cylinder for us?

    how many zone stats have you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Ill take a pic as soon as I'm home, we have a digital thermostat in the hall



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,432 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Yep



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    That any use?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 quotelf
    Quotelf


    all that work seems like it would get a C1 , B3/2 at most. i wouldn't worry about the other house. maybe they already have insulation or new boiler, etc… for a1, you would need heat pumps, solar, etc, hope that helps!



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