Conor McGregor Megathread *Mod Warning in OP Updated 20th April*

The Phantom Jipper

Wetherspoons have pulled the plug on the stout anyway

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122893749#Comment_122893749

I think we can say that’s the end of his stout business - in fact for the forceable future at least it’s the end of any business that he will be front and centre promoting.
I reckon his proposed Hotel in Howth was a way for him to ingratiate himself with the sailing class whilst having his own penthouse overlooking the harbour to party the night away. Thankfully it got refused planning permission and hopefully any amendments to the application before resubmittal will also get refused.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122870960#Comment_122870960

The judge gave direction to the jury that any damages be commensurate to Hand's complaint not McGregor's net worth.

But you are correct it is no more than a parking fine for McGregor.

gormdubhgorm

I think this case should be a warning to young women don't get yourselves in such risky scenario's with too much drink, taking drugs etc. Show common sense and personal responsibility.

Also don't associate with nasty type of characters such as McGregor.

The good thing to come out of this case is McGregor has been hurt in a manner beyond money. Money cannot buy a good reputation, if a person does not behave like a decent human being.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122893861#Comment_122893861

I think this case should be a warning to young women don't get yourselves in such risky scenario's with too much drink, taking drugs etc. Show common sense and personal responsibility.

Her behaviour did not cause him to rape her. He raped her. He made the decision to do it. It was all him. Don't blame her!

Also don't associate with nasty type of characters such as McGregor.

Whilst he certainly has all the hallmarks of being a complete scumbag, rapists come in all forms. Even some respectable priests were rapists! You just can never really tell!

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122893861#Comment_122893861

Careful now...

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122893378#Comment_122893378

It does.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122893861#Comment_122893861

Young/Old, Male/Female, the world is a dangerous nasty place.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122893908#Comment_122893908

I didn't blame her (I studied law by the way in the past so I am well aware of the legal aspect) - (I knew there would be someone who would misinterpret my post)

Personal responsibility and common sense would have made such a dangerous scenario less likely for her own safety. It is common sense. She was fuelled up on drug and drink and sought out McGegor.

I did not say what McGregor did was in any way correct, but it should make women think are they with a safe person, are they in control of their faculties, are they in a safe environment? Do other people know where they are etc?

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122893950#Comment_122893950

The difference is though young people would not be as vulnerable as old, and males are not as vulnerable as females.

It is not the first time McGregor has sunk low, hitting an elderly man because he would not drink his Whiskey was another. This is just a new low. He can't go much lower than this though.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122893832#Comment_122893832

I’m guessing if theres other civil rape cases that the award must conform to those awards also - but the question is did the jury have access to those figures?
Im fine with keeping awards with what has gone before within reason but if there was scope to award a sum with regard to the individuals net worth then it’s pizz poor - I’m not proposing 10 million or anything like that but the event itself, loss of earnings ongoing counselling - not to mention the potential of a legal bill at the end of all this, it’s not going to encourage anyone to go the civil route that’s for sure

walshb

The award is an odd one. They believed he assaulted/raped her, but surely if they believed that, they also must have believed it to have been a horrifying ordeal for her at the time, and through the years.

The award then is quite low. Is it because maybe they believe he did it, but didn’t necessarily believe it was as bad as she made out?

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122894077#Comment_122894077

We’ll never know - I’m sure her legal people are advising her and are certainly working on the costs at present, hence the delay and postponement for another week- if she ever agrees to be interviewed in time, she might be able to elaborate more on this aspect - McGregor’s bill is rumoured to be something like 1.6 million according to some media outlets - whatever it is, it’s very significant - far more significant than this penalty - you would think that those figures should be reversed

Large bottle small glass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122894077#Comment_122894077

Ordinarily judges in Personal Injury claims refer to the Book of Quantum for older case and the new judicial guidelines for newer cases. I've done a quick search of both and there is no reference I can see to rape/sexual assault.

Without that an experienced judge could handle compensation for the psychological injury and the loss of earning component. How to quantify the actual assault on the night I have no idea.

How did the judge charge the jury in that regard? Whatever ye think yourself lads? (which I really doubt).

Irrespective of McGregor's wealth 250k seems very low to me.

Former Former Former

Punitive or exemplary damages are awarded only in exceptional circumstances. Not being awarded here doesn’t mean much, even though McGregor claimed it does. Of course.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122893954#Comment_122893954

You have to be very careful as to what you mean.

What you are saying is effectively that people should minimize their risk of being the one who ends up as the victim this time. In a sense it's like the old joke about the two men in the woods when they see the bear running towards them. One stops to take off his shoes and the other says "don't be stupid. That's not going to help you outrun the bear" while the other fella replies "I'm not trying to outrun the bear, I only need to outrun you".

The predator is going to do what the predator is going to do. You can compete to try to outrun the other potential victims. If you are the one who can't run fast enough and you are caught, that doesn't confer any responsibility on you for what the predator does. Your choices didn't make them do what they did. They only resulted in you, rather than someone else, being on the receiving end. Your advice is simply to try to make sure you outrun the other person so that they end up as the victim. But someone is going to be the victim regardless.

RabbleRouser2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122890279#Comment_122890279

Mark Tighe (Journalist, and author of Champagne Football) made an interesting point about this on twitter.

https://x.com/MarkLTighe/status/1861691905836286445

Devlin only came to the court on the last day of the trial, so did not see the photo evidence of bruising, Ms Hand's questioning and recounting of events, the statements from medical staff and so on.

It may very well have been a tactic on McGregor's camp (allegedly) that she not be shown the more gruesome evidence. If she had, I doubt she'd have made this statement.

But even then, not a smart move to make this kind of statement. Even if the crime were as simple as stealing sweets from a candy shop, few people would make this kind of statement.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122894077#Comment_122894077

The purpose of a civil award is to compensate you for the damage/loss. So to put you back in the position you would have been in had the thing not happened.

While you do tend to see the 50k for a scratch on the arm kind of award, those are because evidence is given as to how this scratch is detrimental to your life/earning etc. Of course things can be hammed up and exaggerated. But those big awards are for the exaggerations. When you have an actual serious injury, you can't really exaggerate it even more than that. There can be massively larger awards but they can be for actual life changing injuries where the victim is paralyzed etc. and in need of 24 hour care.

T-Maxx

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Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122894337#Comment_122894337

“My sons will be warned women like you exist in the world.”

Will her daughters be warned that men like their oul' fella exist in the world?

RabbleRouser2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122894387#Comment_122894387

You'd hope so.

But I doubt it.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122894387#Comment_122894387

Touché! I must say I read that statement of hers and never thought of reversing it -.nice one👍

Irish Aris

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122893954#Comment_122893954

Mod note:

@gormdubhgorm

please tread very carefully now, you are getting very close to victim blaming territory, for which there is already a Mod warning.

Thank you

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122894280#Comment_122894280

The predator is going to do what the predator is going to do.

Your choices ... only resulted in you, rather than someone else, being on the receiving end.

But someone is going to be the victim regardless.

I don't agree with that framing of it, at all.

Rubberchikken

So it's victim blaming now if someone states that anyone out there should look out for themselves in any circumstances.

Is it seriously OK so for anyone regardless of sex to go off with just anyone, walk around wherever and pay absolutely no attention/care to their wellbeing?

In a perfect world only can this happen.

We don't live in a perfect world.

Asdfgh2020

I can’t recall the exact figure but it was definitely over €1m that a jury awarded the lady that was libelled/defamed following a lewd remark some clown made on the ‘Joe Duffy show’ about her and the former government minister at the time Martin Cullen…..violently raped vs rude comment about an alleged affair…….and victim gets 4/5 times the ‘damages’….just doesn’t add up…?

Just checked there. The lady was awarded €1.87m reduced to €1.25m on appeal and she subsequently challenged and lost about having to pay her own legal fees of €165k.

RabbleRouser2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122894915#Comment_122894915

I doubt the money matters one way or the other to Ms Hand. Considering she refused larger sums as settlement, it was being believed that was more important. And the court and jury believed her, and the many witnesses who gave evidence in her case.

Asdfgh2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122894921#Comment_122894921

I agree but it just an example of how random and disproportionate ‘damage’ awards by jury’s can be…?

ledwithhedwith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122894921#Comment_122894921

is that you presuming she refused larger sums? I don’t disagree , it’s probable, but you say it here as fact.

Oscar_Madison

Still making the news this morning - companies and groups are falling over themselves in the rush to cleanse their brand of McGregor

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-and-cork-airports-remove-whiskey-and-stout-brands-linked-to-conor-mcgregor-after-civil-case-defeat/a411131921.html