car dealer wants to sell without NCT

hello2020

Found a car listed for 2-3 K less than other cars from a dealer..it's a 10 year old 7 seater with good specs but no NCt..

dealer says he will show it if I seriously want to buy without NCT as he doesn't have time to get it to NCT for such a cheap price!

If he gets to NCt the car in next week then he will list it at higher price!!

Is it worth buying a 10 year old 7 seater without NCT if it's sold at 6k which is 2-3k cheaper than other listing??

kyote00

that’s bs. Get the nct done then negotiate price. It sounds like it needs 2-3 k work .

greasepalm

What type of car Make and Model

mickdw

Run away. Could be anything wrong. Maybe a long list of repairs needed or its rustedor whatever.

Atlantic Dawn

Will it come with a warranty with no NCT?

Have you inspected it to know off hand from a start what it will certainly need to pass the NCT, items like bald tyres, cracked windscreen or lights, damaged sharp body panels, warning light etc.

road_high

you’d be off your head to even consider buying it. Could be an absolute minefield of unforeseen issues and problems- and the fact he “doesn’t have time” to NCT screams alarm bells- he doesn’t want to invest the money in sorting issues that translates as. As a trade operator they have a direct relationship with the local NCT centre and it’s just a matter of booking the car in

bazz26

Car dealers are the NCT centre's best customers. They send lots of cars through the NCT every day so get accommodated for appointments and slots more than average joe public. I don't buy into the excuse that the dealer doesn't have time to NCT it, they can drop cars down to the NCT and let them sit there until a no show slot becomes available or the test lane is free.

I get the feeling this dealer probably took the car in as a trade in, then realised there is an underlying problem with it and now realises it will not pass the NCT without alot of money needed to be spent on it. They have it now priced low to shift it quickly and let the buyer gamble on it passing the NCT. Dealers are not charities and don't sell cars on the cheap for no reason.

AidoEirE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058374073/car-dealer-wants-to-sell-without-nct

Doesnt want to sell it cheap unless it goes to NCT. Eh..he'd obviously want the highest price so the obvious thing would put it through a NCT for a bigger asking price.

Reread what you posted, 2-3k below what's been asked on other similar before.

Run away man, do not entertain this idea!

FishOnABike

If they're not willing to spend €55 to earn an extra €2K to €3K you'd have to ask yourself, why?

Wanderer78

RUN!

beachhead

Don't stop!

As said a car dealer can walk into NCT centre and get a car tested anytime.The last car I bought had no NCT until I decided to buy it.I collected the car the next day with a full pass NCT.The next NCT passed again.Never a problem with the car.

Don't stop running away.

Sono

1 million percent run a mile, this car is trouble..

The NCT is some peace of mind for both parties, if he isn’t willing to do it then you know he knows there’s a big problem with the car imo.

LIGHTNING

Run away as fast as you can.

Lenar3556

I wouldn’t necessarily walk away. There could still be a decent deal to be done.

Just bear in mind that the car needs a detailed assessment by someone experienced before you buy it in order to establish what level of work is required, and make sure this is reflected in any price you offer to pay.

Much the same as with any car really. The presence of an NCT is of some indicative value when buying a second hand car, but it’s no guarantee the thing isn’t a lemon either.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714455#Comment_122714455

Ya nct means feck all but a dealer refusing to nct and selling 2 to 3k under normal retail means a hell of alot.

Imagine what it will cost a customer at retail garage prices to repair if the dealer is happy to sell at such a discount..…and that assuming its not total heap that is a badly repaired write off or something that won't pass a test.

User1998

As someone who buys & sells cars, I have NEVER had to spend more than €1,000 prepping a car for an NCT and I have bought some serious sh*t boxes in my time. So there is almost certainly savings to be made buying a car in this way if you are getting a major discount. I have had NCT fail sheets the length of my arm which were sorted for under €1,000.

I have often sold cars with no NCT or with poor bodywork where I could have got more for them had I NCT’d them and prepared them properly. Sometimes you just need to spend your time elsewhere on other cars or don’t have the space or money to store/fix the car.

If you are just a normal member of the public with no car knowledge and no cheap mechanic then no you probably should not buy the car, but realistically people on here saying “Why doesn’t the dealer spend €55 to make €3,000 more, run a mile” obviously don’t realise what a trade sale is and why they are important and that it takes time effort and cashflow to prepare a car and thus it takes the car longer to sell. Its a 10 year old car, it will obviously need at least some work to get it through an NCT.

hello2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122713638#Comment_122713638

I thought he is bit lazy or too busy to get it done so may b a risk worth taking but after reading all the comments changed my mind as it will b many times difficult for me to get mechanical issues fixed

mickdw

Clearly the op here is not in the trade so they shouldn't be sold a car on trade terms.

I agree that repairs are generally cheap if you do them yourself or have a cheap mechanic and in preparing a rough old car for test, it might be just bushes, brake lines, discs and pads etc. A couple of tyres picked up handy somewhere.

A repair could be a diy 300 or for someone not in the know, 1500.

Overall in the ops case, its clear its a dealer getting a heap out the door as economically as possible for himself so it is a certainty it's not going to be cheap to get a test.

CliffHangeroner

Probably a lemon BUT if you know a decent mechanic who knew his stuff and had the equipment to do an NCT level test on the car it may be worth a punt. if it turned out the car was okay you could low ball the hell out of the dealer and get an absolute bargain.

Lenar3556

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714561#Comment_122714561

Agreed, although the customer may in fact end up with a better end result by buying it as is and getting it repaired properly.

It would need to be very bad if 3k of the customers money wasn’t going to put it right.

mickdw

It would need to terrible if 3k of a garages money wouldn't get it through a test.

This would lead me to believe that perhaps there is an other expensive fault like an auto gearbox fault or something like that and dealer will attempt to get it sold as seen no test, no warranty.

There Is a Citroën c4 seven seater that fits the bill on donedeal.

hello2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714691#Comment_122714691

Thanks a million .. its the Citroen C4 2014 car without nct n dealer says it's in stuck in his garage n it will be lot of effort for him to get it out so only serious interest..no warranty ..he doesn't know if timing belt done etc

But but car looks great for the price!!

bazz26

So no warranty and no NCT on a 10 year old Citroen stuck in the back of a dealer's yard that might also need a timing belt? And he wants 6k for this car? Genuinely, is this thread a windup because all I see is someone blinded by a price.

I think going down to you local casino and putting the 6k on a roulette table would be less of a gamble.

road_high

Thing is though there’s a serious shortage of 7 seaters out there - so it “might” be a bargain if only throughly checked out before hand with the possible condition of an NCT run through at least

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122715030#Comment_122715030

It may well be a bargain but I don’t think OP is the right person to take it on.

OP There are an abundance of very reliable 7 seater petrols and hybrids coming in from Japan in the past few years so I suggest you look at one of those instead. You’ll find one with a fresh NCT.

chrisd2019

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058374073/car-dealer-wants-to-sell-without-nct

No, unless you first have a competent mechanic put it through a pre NCT inspection and tell you what it needs to pass and also what non NCT issues it has.

Buffman

I really don't get all the posts saying 'run a mile' when the dealer has clearly offered to sell the OP the vehicle with NCT for the corresponding market price. It's really not that uncommon for a dealer to initially offer a trade in as a 'trade sale', especially older ones where they might not want to bother with prepping it or sending it to auction straight away.

OP, the dealer is actually being very up front with the options available to you.

You're being offered a clear choice of a 'trade sale' price with no NCT/warranty for €3k 'under' market value or paying the full market dealer price for a car with NCT.

If you want the best of both worlds and expect to get a fully dealer prepared NCTed car for €3k under market value, that's not going to happen.

To answer your question 'Is it worth buying a 10 year old 7 seater without NCT if it's sold at 6k which is 2-3k cheaper than other listing??' Yes, it can be very worth it if you know what your looking at and are prepared to take a chance on it, however if you don't really and are presumably looking a dealer cars over private sales for that reason, it's probably best to avoid 'trade sales'.

So if you really want that car, just tell him you want it NCTed/warrantied and negotiate a price with him based on that.

EDIT: I missed the 7 seat description and was looking at the wrong ad, this actually isn't a 'trade sale', is overpriced for what it is and there's better value out there for the OP as I posted below.

Patrick2010

As someone above said why would he turn down the chance to make 3k because hes too busy to put it through the NCT?, doesn't make sense.

Buffman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122718089#Comment_122718089

Everyone seems to assume that €3k is all profit in his back pocket, this dealer looks legit so by the time you take all of the costs and all of the taxes out the work involved to get that extra €3k, it's gonna be a lot less than that and not much more than he might make from just trying to flip it quickly in the trade for a minimal profit without all the hassle.

This dealer has 43 cars up at the moment, so multiply all that cost and effort of prepping them all and potentially having a notional extra €30k+ expense sitting there on your lot for little or no gain, depreciating every day.

It seems from a quick glance that anything newer gets prepped and anything approaching 10 years or older is left as a trade sale, and I really can't blame him for that. At €4250 we're talking about the cheapest 2014 C4 on DD including private sales that's clearly marked as a 'trade sale' so I don't see why people are expecting the 'full dealer' treatment automatically.

And the OPs figures aren't that accurate either, after checking it's actually only €1700 in the difference between this cheapest 2014 C4 and the next dealer with an NCTed one of same mileage asking €5950.

OP should probably just go for that one if they don't want the 'trade sale' option.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c4-2014-1-6-hdi-airdream-exclusive-auto/38060812

Edit:just copped that the €4250 one isn't the car the OP meant and wasn't a 7 seater, but I'll leave the post up as the linked one is still better value for OP.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717853#Comment_122717853

I don't think that offer is there at all from dealer. It was simply the dealer forcing the customers hand stating he will test it and get 3k more for it.

It's an old one from the carsales play book and being especially cheeky saying it's hassle for him to get the car out for them.... trying to drive home that he is doing them a favour so hopefully have them ask no questions at all only hand over the cash when they turn up.

I could see this guy getting very rude very fast and calling them time wasters if they don't just hand over the money on arrival.

Buffman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122718409#Comment_122718409

These guys are a Suzuki main dealer with a fairly good 4.5 Google review so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they just couldn't be bothered with all the hassle for such a minimal return and just didn't want to be so blunt with the OP over the phone.

I've been in that situation as a buyer, interested in a older non NCTed car that might need a little bit of work that a dealer doesn't care about and is actually just a hassle for them, given the keys for an unaccompanied test drive and gotten the car for less than half the asking. I'd bet if anyone went down to them lads with €2k cash they'd drive out in that car.

But I think we can all agree this isn't the car for the OP.

EDIT: I missed the 7 seater description in the OP so this isn't the garage the OP was talking about so I was looking at the wrong ad, looking at the actual ad I would agree with your assessment of the situation.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122718089#Comment_122718089

How doesn’t it make sense? Theres a lot of time effort and money involved in preparing a trade car to retail standard. They could be too busy with other cars, overstocked, low on cash flow etc.

bazz26

So my question is if this is a little gem just in need of a bit of TLC/money spent on it and is being sold as a trade sale, then why hasn't the trade flocked to buy it? The dealer won't even move the car out for the OP to have a proper look and drive of it. Surely a small time motor trader or self employed mechanic would see the bargain in it and snap it up already? Why is it being offered this way to the OP who is obviously not in the trade? If the trade are passing on it or it hasn't it been offered to them then why?

There are many alarm bells going off here for me and I'm not in the trade. Those on here in the trade may be well used to buying cars in these situations because they know their beans and that is the territory why work in but the OP doesn't come across as being in the trade and just seems to be fixated on the price. Sorry but paying 6k for a pig in a poke just is too much of a gamble imo. BTW there is a 2014 C4 Grand Picasso on donedeal being advertised by a dealer in Mayo for just over 7k that has an NCT until next May 2025 so even taking the NCT out of it, 6k is too much money for what you can be sure needs more money spent on it as soon as you take it home.

On a side note, can a motor dealer legally sell a trade sale to joe public as a true trade sale as I'd imagine the SOG act would still apply here to the OP who is not in the motor trade irrespective of what way the car is being sold to them?

hello2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122718509#Comment_122718509

@Buffman thanks for your replies. Do you mean these guys are good dealers? as I could not find any google reviews for them.. here is the link to the ad I was referring.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2014-citroen-c4-picasso-7-seater-no-offers-5-990/36010641?campaign=6

Buffman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122718799#Comment_122718799

No, sorry, crossed wires, I thought by the description you meant this one and didn't cop the 7 seater description.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c4-2014/36821684

The previous NCTed one I posted would seem to be better value than the one you're looking at.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c4-2014-1-6-hdi-airdream-exclusive-auto/38060812

Buffman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122718738#Comment_122718738

I think it was me who mistakenly first mentioned 'trade sale' as I was looking at the wrong ad, so just to clarify the actual car the OP was talking about does not mention 'trade sale' at all and is overpriced based on comparison with other ads as above.

Just on the last bit, if it's accurately described by the dealer to the buyer as basically a non-running non-road legal vehicle, then there's no real issue. If it's misrepresented as a perfectly sound/running legal vehicle when it isn't, then that's a different story.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122718738#Comment_122718738

The one OP is looking at is automatic which is why the price is so enticing. The cheapest 2014 automatic on Donedeal is €10k. That being said I still don’t think OP should buy it as they are clearly not experienced enough to take it on.

And I don’t think the dealer can sell a car with no warranty no the public regardless of the terms & conditions of the sale. I guess that would actually work in OP’s favour but again I still don’t think they should buy it.

Edit: Maybe there are cheaper automatic ones than €10k, I was looking in the C4 Picasso section of Donedeal, seems there are a few more in the C4 section?

goochy

Thread going on too long