OPW and projected cost of 442K for Modular Homes

greyday

When scoped previously the cost was expected to be 200K per modular home that would have housed up to 4 people, the projected final cost is now 442K, between the Bike Shed, the Security Hut and now this, surely its time for some accountability and future oversight that stops this type of overspending.

Andrea B.

From today's IT

Boggles

We really need to stop with this folly.

Modular homes in this country are neither rapid or cheap.

They are the polar opposite.

Andrea B.

They offer a value solution..…until they become Government contracts.

Dr.Tom

Would it be cynical of me to think a TD's cousins daughters husband's brother may be involved in the contracts or is there zero cronyism involved in this project?

Xterminator

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlons razor.

Look at the mess they are making of the children's hospital. BAM is the developer and threes not a hint of cronyism. Simply the state cannot manage a watertight contract and manage a project. They are seen as an easy mark with an open checkbook.

Unless there is evidence to the contrary - i will attribute it to the incompetency of the state, its lack of respect for public funds and the lack of any will to fight for value for money, as its not their money - it come from the magic money tree inside the public purse!

Andrea B.

I assume the mod homes was a tender win.

Well I hope they have been careful with this cost "creep". If not, then I imagine the unsuccessful tender bidders would have a case?

Atlantic Dawn

Follow the money 🤔

plodder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669074#Comment_122669074

I agree. How hard can it be to build a modular home? I presume they have a contractor prepare a concrete base with pipes and services in the right places. Then the modular home supplier arrives plonks it in place and connects the services. How can the cost escalate so much?

enricoh

Think it honestly makes no odds at this stage, ff and fg could squander a million each on them n we'll re-elect them anyway!

baldbear

They just don't care about tax payers. Absolutely ridiculous. Meanwhile kids are on waiting lists.

Tow

Site works cost 18k more than expected, but the overall cost per home more than doubled....

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669206#Comment_122669206

Because modular homes need scale, it costs a fortune to setup the factory, and no one has managed that in any country. There are a few small scale providers but no company has ever made large scale modular home building work. Modular homes have pushed as the solution to the housing crisis for several years yet they have never delivered so it's time to give up on them.

SuperBowserWorld

It's absolutely ******* ridiculous, isn't it ?

Augme

Accountability with FF and FG in charge? Fat chance.

Akrasia

Does that even include the site?

There's gonna be another tribunal about this isn't there

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669605#Comment_122669605

how much will that cost? 🤪

Viscount Aggro

Why has nobody started a new thread on the real reason behind all this?

tinofapples

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669605#Comment_122669605

And here lies more of the waste of taxpayers money, tribunals that never deliver worthwhile outcomes. No one even gets sacked or jailed !!

SuperBowserWorld

Tribunals are just for lads to flaunt how much they got away with. It's a rite of passage. They have a little chuckle if the tribunal costs millions and runs for years. And the beauty is that they only have to say a hail mary and 4 our fathers and they go to heaven. Amazing really. So, long as you are wealthy it does not matter how you got that wealth, you will be respected. Just steer clear of anything sexually related and you'll be grand.

sligeach

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_i-fLIvrI40

These building companies see the Irish government coming a mile away. There's no prudence or accountability of Irish taxpayers money, the government treat it like it's an everlasting roll of toilet paper.

plodder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669446#Comment_122669446

That doesn't explain why the price doubled from the initial estimate.

Cluedo Monopoly

Is this OPW again??

If so, where o where is Patrick O'Donovan?? The minister in charge.

Do we need a search party?

The usual FFG apologists will be on soon to say there is nothing to see here…

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058371370/opw-and-projected-cost-of-442k-for-modular-homes

That's all from 1 badly run Department. They should look at Education and Agriculture next.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669642#Comment_122669642

I remember hearing a few years ago that Portacabins at schools are big business for those with connections to senior politicians. That building new/bigger schools for our growing population wasn't a priority when there was millions to be made on supplying Portacabins at extortionate rental costs.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669837#Comment_122669837

The HSE would be number 1 on my list. Can't even imagine the waste going on there?

greyday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669889#Comment_122669889

The indignation from Robert Watt when questioned about signing off on a potential 20 million to trinity to for the Tony Holohan placement should have set alarm bells ringing, a paltry amount it seems.

https://www.thejournal.ie/roberty-watt-committee-5754637-May2022/

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669446#Comment_122669446

Why don't we just import them, these would proably come on the ferry from Spain,

https://lascasasmodulares.es/

Plenty of countrys make them and are in business years. There's no excuse for what the Government are after spending on these bar stupidity or criminality.

Geuze

Here is the actual report:

https://www.audit.gov.ie/en/publications/report%20on%20the%20accounts%20of%20the%20public%20services/report-on-the-accounts-of-the-public-services-2023.html

See chapter 5:

https://www.audit.gov.ie/en/find-report/publications/2024/5-delivery-of-rapid-build-housing.pdf

Geuze

Some details:

silliussoddius

Can it be described as rapid if the completion date changes by two years?

RobbingBandit

Temporary Modular homes for Ukrainians former and latter missing from the thread title there.

RobbingBandit

How is the OPW allowed to authorize an annual 120% increase in cost funding in this situation and how in the (insert) do these things cost €400,000+ each

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669733#Comment_122669733

The govt pick the contractors and the contractors pile it on because they are told they can.

JP Liz V1

OPW just taking other people's wages

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0930/1472779-big-cost-overruns-in-rapid-build-housing-programme-cag/

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122670008#Comment_122670008

Agreed. Hanlon's razor may well apply here, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." But by ipso facto one or the other must apply with lunacy like this.

SuperBowserWorld

Edit: Ah, not worth commenting on this joke of a situation anymore.

Baba Yaga

jayzus…at the rate theyre going the IMF be back soon and some gobdaw of a politician will be telling us sure we all partied…did we fcuk!!!

Danye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669793#Comment_122669793

POD isn’t the OPW Minster. It’s Kieran O’Donnell.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122670008#Comment_122670008

That's not the modular homes that we need though, that's small scale shipping long distances while we need massive scale shipping a few km. It's not in any way sustainable to the shipping houses long distances

Nowhere has made large scale modular home building work out cheaper than traditional building methods.

Mav11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669793#Comment_122669793

If so, where o where is Patrick O'Donovan?? The minister in charge

This 110%. Where was he?

Mav11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122670770#Comment_122670770

O'Donovan was the minister when all this was going on. It only changed recently.

Promotion based on incompetence?

PixelCrafter

So we're planning to spend €107,954 per person accommodated??

plodder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122670008#Comment_122670008

It sounds like we started negotiating with a single supplier and once we were committed, the price just shot up. Of course we could import them by ship. Lots of bulky, but high valued goods are imported by sea. The whole idea behind using pre-fabricated homes was that because they are made in a factory, that factory can be anywhere in the world. I remember a hotel was built near Dublin Airport using modular units (each bedroom arrived fully constructed and kitted out) and was assembled on site in around half the time it would take to build a conventional hotel. As far as I remember the units were manufactured in the Netherlands.

airy fairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122670791#Comment_122670791

Plus the massive discount for utilities A flat rate of €40, for internet, waste, electricity....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41158678.html?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwu-63BhC9ARIsAMMTLXQhBuBTeoRhwMkdQYOi6jwOBE9dSmFT_zgvS8Ol8kxsmrC9_6mecKoaAvZPEALw_wcB

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122670770#Comment_122670770

True but he was until April by which all these contacts would have been completed and he is a cabinet minister now.

Jinglejangle69

I was never one for the tin foil hat talk.

But I firmly believe this country is set up for a select few to absolutely coin it at the top and the rest of us get the crumbs.

Cluedo Monopoly

We will look back in year to come at how we utterly wasted this corporation tax windfall from a handful of large MNCs.

plodder

Can the two threads on this topic be merged?

L Grey

Keep voting in the same and you'll get the same.

A potato-headed country.

TinyMuffin

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