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Thinking of a career move into secondary teaching.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 KeithKelly1992




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,920 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Indeed, but note carefully what @nearby_cheetah stated:

    "Once new teachers get full hours they'll be in a career where they'll spend the majority of it within the top 20% of householdincome , not including extras like posts and exam work."

    I contend that this statement is false, see my post above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 nearby_cheetah


    Revenue treats a married couple as one Taxpayer unit, hence my use of the word household.

    For the majority of their careers, excluding extras,

    • A single teacher earns more than 80% of married couples.
    • Two married teachers are within the top 5% of married couples' earnings.

    Far from brutal by any stretch of the imagination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jrmb


    Again, you're assuming full and consistent hours for someone who started very young. This isn't the norm, and for many it doesn't become attainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 KeithKelly1992


    The guaranteed yearly increments are also a huge plus - regardless of performance (or lack thereof).

    This pay-scale has also shot up over the years, the top of the pay-scale is currently mid 80’s€, only a few years back it was early €70’s.

    There’s also the bonus that examination invigilation and script corrections attract a lucrative lump sum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jrmb


    They're not guaranteed. Many don't know where (or whether) they'll be working the following September. I'm ending this exchange with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 KeithKelly1992


    But the ones who are permanent and who do return the following September LITERALLY keep climbing the pay scale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,920 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    This Revenue data is based on earnings data, whereas the SILC is based on income data.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 KeithKelly1992




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,390 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    So are you actually considering a career change or was this just a way of baiting teachers about pay and conditions? Because every one of your posts since the OP has been about payscales and pensions and none about prospects for employment and potential subjects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 KeithKelly1992


    Payscale, promotion, security, tenure and pension is literally what attracts most people to jobs. I haven’t berated anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭Treppen


    They literally don't climb the pay scale every year.

    These days I find it humorous rather than annoying to be told the way things are in teaching.

    But anyway, ya teaching is great, c'mon over. Remember that film Wolf of Wall Street, that was literally about the world of teaching.



  • Registered Users Posts: 503 ✭✭✭Happyhouse22


    I know this is a few days old, and I’m no expert in this but can see your figures are wrong.

    You are forgetting at least two factors.

    1- Is the fact that if you retire before your normal retirement age(67 for new entrants I think) that your pension will acturaly reduced. This is called cost neutral early retirement.


    2- The other factor you are forgetting is that the new pension is calculated using career average salary rather than final salary. So if you retire after only 17 years your average salary would be closer to 60,000 than 80,000.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    When you factor in other huge perks of teaching …for example

    Pension :to buy a defined benefit pension like a teachers would not be possible in the private sector, but if it was would likely cost 30,000 per year to pay in to.

    Holidays / time off : a huge advantage, giving some teachers the opportunity to do grinds or other nixers, part time farm work, holiday work, exam corrections etc

    Security: surely worth a lot, especially when hundreds of thousands on private sector workers lost their jobs in the last downturn ( 2007-2012 ) and many had to emigrate

    The 85k is really more like 125 or 130 k when you factor in those benefits.

    I know a few teachers who are retired aged 60 ish and they have a lovely lifestyle, and seem to be going on holidays every few weeks for 3 or 4 days to Europe, and plenty of exotic holidays too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jrmb


    Large numbers of recently qualified teachers are emigrating in what isn't even a downturn.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    They are on the old pension, the middle one is not as good but pretty OK, the new one is not far off an avc and probably worse than investing the money in a medium yield account for a few decades.

    I love the job and there are definite benefits but the pension is no longer really one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Joe286


    It beggars belief that you'd consider a job without talking to anybody in the job. It takes 20 years to reach what is the longest scale in the public sector. Plus most teachers don't get full hours straight away and spend 5 years temporary on average

    Discipline is in the toilet. Kids are abusive and bullying to teachers. Parents too

    To be honest given youd spout such bullshit I think you are a troll or incredibly stupid



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,295 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I heard they get free prams.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    The OP would be a new entrant. Free pram is gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 nearby_cheetah


    What parts of the OP's posts are so incorrect you'd go so far as label them as bullshit? I didn't see much misinformation from the OP.

    The OP is reaching out online for information. A lot of people take jobs/careers/CAO courses without talking to anyone on the job. Not particularly unusual I would have thought.

    As for your comment about the payscales, would you rather a shorter payscale that pays you less, in line with most other workers, public and private, ie in the bottom 80% of married and single people? You seem quick to compare the length of payscales...not so quick to compare the values of the payscales.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Joe286


    It's so long ago I can't recall exactly what I said nor could I be bothered to look it up

    The secondary pay scale is too long and needs to be shorter. I suspect the op is a troll.

    Just the way he was spinning it.

    Most people know it takes years of **** contracts to get a permanent job. If he actually asked one teacher he'd know that

    The OP was presenting the Job as highly paid based on a pay scale that is very long. That would be obvious from looking at the actual scale. It's highly paid from your mid 40s onwards.

    By then your kids are in secondary school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    And sometimes your point of scale moves up anddoes not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,920 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I often wondered why the teachers pay scale is so long?

    It must be the longest in the public service?

    And sometimes the increments are zero euro!!

    Revised scale from 1 October 2024 for Post-Primary teachers who entered teaching before 1 January 2011

    Point on Scale

    Effective from 01/10/2024

    1

    €41,417

    2

    €42,269

    3

    €43,469

    4

    €44,674

    5

    €46,542

    6

    €47,752

    7

    €48,961

    8

    €52,021

    9

    €53,598

    10

    €55,515

    11

    €57,437

    12

    €59,383

    13

    €61,012

    14

    €63,171

    15

    €63,171

    16

    €63,171

    17

    €66,144

    18

    €66,144

    19

    €66,144

    20

    €66,144

    21

    €70,076

    22

    €70,076

    23

    €70,076

    24

    €70,076

    25

    €74,417



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,920 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The scale for recent entrants is even longer!!!

    Revised incremental salary scale for Post-Primary teachers who entered teaching on or after 1 January 2011, to apply with effect from 1 October 2024

    Points on Scale

    Effective from 01/10/2024

    1

    € 44,829

    2

    € 46,465

    3

    € 48,334

    4

    € 49,187

    5

    € 50,388

    6

    € 51,851

    7

    € 53,538

    8

    € 55,265

    9

    € 56,715

    10

    € 59,316

    11

    € 60,940

    12

    € 62,886

    13

    € 64,820

    14

    € 66,769

    15

    € 68,398

    16

    € 70,556

    17

    € 70,556

    18

    € 70,556

    19

    € 73,529

    20

    € 73,529

    21

    € 73,529

    22

    € 73,529

    23

    € 77,458

    24

    € 77,458

    25

    € 77,458

    26

    € 77,458

    27

    € 81,803

    This scale now includes the full value of the Professional Masters of Education (PME)/Higher Diploma in Education Allowance (H.Dip) as provided for in Circular 0059/2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The op has been banned. So, yeah.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Up to €81, 803 per year! Wow. Plus the benefit of pension and some of the longest holidays in the teaching world.

    Three years ago it was reported that "The average gross salary for secondary teachers in the Republic was €61,414 in 2019/20".

    Quote "Irish teachers are among the highest paid in Europe, a new report by the European Commission shows."

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-teachers-among-highest-paid-25295411

    Obviously it would be even higher now. So not surprising the OP was attracted by the high pay, the security, the golden pension, the really long holidays etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,920 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    "Golden pension"

    Please note that the SPSPS is less generous than previous schemes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭Treppen




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,295 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Since the OP is no longer with us and the wind is blowing in all sorts of detritus, we will close this now.



This discussion has been closed.
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