wife wants a new Nissan Leaf offer

IrishHomer

A new Nissan Leave 40kw is now reduced to €24,490.

My wife is very interested. We have a large private home with plenty of space for home charging. We also have a new solar roof with a battery.

Wife does less than a 20km round trip daily to work.

Is it wise to go with this kw leaf, any thoughts?

veryangryman

Assuming you have another car with better range and she's just using this locally I'd say go for.

I gave a 62kw model which can get me 300k in real world conditions, maybe more if I slow it to 90kmph. Living in the midlands there's very few journeys where I need more. The 40kw probably does 200ish.

Have ye already used an EV. Remember that there are 2 main fast (DC)charging types and that the Leaf uses an older type which not every charger on network has.

Saying that if your home charging and rarely going far go for it.

Sign up for nightsaver electricity rates and charge at night.

IrishHomer

We also live in the Midlands and I have an ice car.

Only long trip we do is regular to Dublin airport 80km each way but can use my car for that. Only thing if she wanted to trade it in a few years will the 40kw be dfficult to offload?

lalababa

IN todays market relative to cost of similar cars both ice and electric , that's a great price. Afaik it's better to leave the battery run to near empty before recharge but maybe I'm wrong?

Anyways what does the 40kw range get you ..200miles?

magicbastarder

one question would be that if the primary use is a 20km daily round trip, why buy new?

IrishHomer

Wanted her to get a 2nd hand ID3 but this new leaf price maches the price of those 2nd hand cars.

gossamerfabric

they won't be able to ask that price for a secondhand ID.3 based on reductions that should be coming E.U. wide on ID.3 new cars soon but I am fond of the Leaf and the price is enticing despite it being old tech.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122665735#Comment_122665735

Realistically she could easily do that daily trip with a €2.5k Leaf. No need for a €25k one.

mickdw

True but if she is happy to buy a new car, it's all good.

I see nissan have examples up of zero percent hp finance over 5 years. With 7k deposit, its 285 per month.

If the car suits, it's a small monthly and you would get your deposit back if selling it after 5 years I'd imagine so hard to go wrong.

If it doesn't suit and you had to sell quickly, that's where you could lose money.

allinthehead

Great value Op, you can't go wrong for that price.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122665749#Comment_122665749

A fresh used EV with better tech/range would be a better buy if you can persuade her ? Depreciation on a new Leaf will be a significant cost. Having Chademo won’t affect you now but it could hamper moving it on whenever you go to sell or trade it. Day to day you don’t need more range but it’d be nice to be able to tackle that Dublin Airport run in comfort without having to resort to ICE.

slave1

Is it not fair to say the depreciation of the new Leaf is now reflected in the car's price. The Leaf is a very comfy place to be OP, make sure you get a good test drive

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666059#Comment_122666059

Every new car drops like a stone until depreciation slows at 2-3 years old onward. A new Nissan Leaf isn’t likely to be any different.

allinthehead

It's so cheap to begin with that depreciation isn't a big consideration, imo.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666130#Comment_122666130

Unless you’re willing to keep it for 10 years, it’s going to bite at some point.

kanuseeme

check donedeal, 24 reg less scrappage for 21k, 23 reg for 19,5k and 22 reg for 16k, with so little mileage more is going to be lost on depreciation than any fuel savings can make up for.

I would tend to go for less depreciation, 2nd hand and hybrid/phev.

Best of luck.

allinthehead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666375#Comment_122666375

No need for a hybrid, Ev is perfectly suitable for the Op, ideal as a second car.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122665720#Comment_122665720

The 40 kWh Leaf will do that trip also.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122665991#Comment_122665991

The L40 will do that trip no problem.

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666425#Comment_122666425

I think you should make the case to the OP, I made my points, as for ideal, I don't know, its got chademo, poor battery tech, price dropped by 33% over 2 years, all to save 800 euro a year in fuel.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666457#Comment_122666457

It could be tight in cold weather unless you like the slow lane;

https://ev-database.org/car/1106/Nissan-Leaf

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666517#Comment_122666517

It will mostly be 100km/h roads.
My opinion is that it will make it based on my previous L24 and L40 but agree it will not at highway speeds as per EVDatabase site.

I was working off the M50 at 100km/h to be honest.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666511#Comment_122666511

I’ll help the OP alright. No need for a PHEV for that use case. 2 drivetrains etc etc

EV be perfect. As per the OP, the Leaf will be more than enough. A cheaper EV would also work. There was a 2020 Leaf on the Facebook group today for €15k.

allinthehead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666511#Comment_122666511

Ya, you made a point, Op asked for an opinion about an Ev and your point is don't buy an Ev. I had the same when I was looking for opinions on which new Ev to buy. One of those was to buy a 7 year old Corrolla, about as relevant as your suggestion.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666536#Comment_122666536

Happens on boards all the time. Buy the Skoda!

I’m buying A, B or C.

Here’s D, E and F 😂

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666533#Comment_122666533

I know its the best of your abilities, I said check done deal to the OP, not you.

22 reg for 16k

Hmmmm, another 2 years newer for a grand more.

2 drive trains argument makes me laugh, while ICE engines do have problems its considered reliable, the EV part is the very same as a BEV, so ultra reliable, the connection between the 2, probably an 40 mm solid drive shaft.

As for the perfect fit for the OP, any clapped out leaf could do it,

He asked was it wise, I pointed out depreciation and cheaper options, and what his savings are compared to it,

If me, I would not.

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666536#Comment_122666536

I made points,

Cheaper options,

Depreciation,

Fuel savings and low mileage,

He can do what ever he wants, not my money he is spending, I already told him how I would spend mine.

No is as wise a point as yes depending on circumstance, for example, shall I jump to my death off this cliff?

I must have missed that thread, so you have no depreciation? did you buy a leaf? saving much?

Flinty997

While I understand the cheap new car sentiment. For me an ID3 with bigger battery and faster more common charging is a better EV. It's not even about the range, it's less charging during the week and it's more useful if you ever need to do a longer trip. Having said that I almost never do a long trip. Hate the touch screen in the ID3 buttons are better in the Leaf.

Can't see any EV holding value in the future as well as the ICE car. But the EV will be the nicer place to be. I'd pay the extra to use an EV it that much nicer.

allinthehead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666649#Comment_122666649

I ended up with a Model 3, it wasn't on my list but It was recommended here and the price came down as I started looking. I haven't experienced any depreciation as it's still out on my driveway.

I suppose my monthly costs are way down but do you ever really save buying a new car?

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666735#Comment_122666735

Buy a new car once.

Nice experience, not the same for the 2nd time.

allinthehead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666744#Comment_122666744

That's true, I did it last year, next one will be a couple of years old I think. That Leaf is the price of a second hand one though🤣

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666623#Comment_122666623

Try not get hot and bothered on a public forum when others make suggestions. Thats how life works.

Yes the PHeV is 2 risks. I have one on the drive right now. Would I recommend one, not really to be honest. They are not as rosey as you paint the picture because you own one.

I’d take a brand new Leaf over most PHEV’s tbh. And that’s coming from experience of both.

No point being silly and talking about depreciation on run of the mill family cars. If the OP has already committed to buying a new car then depreciation is not a problem. They are well aware that new cars depreciate.

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666811#Comment_122666811

I'm not bothered in the slightest, I do wonder about you getting embarrassed, anyway I think you were going to help the OP, I suggest you do that with some more words of wisdom and not trying to be my shadow.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122666863#Comment_122666863

embarrassed?

You should be lucky if I’m your shadow ❤️

yermanthere

Back on track. With increasing smart meter use, and ever-reducing window of " low rate/EV rate" times. Is a small battery better? You will be plugging in more often to avail of the window of low rate, so why not have a smaller battery? For the commuter, or low mileage user.

allinthehead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122667108#Comment_122667108

It doesn't matter the size of battery, efficiency is what matters.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122667108#Comment_122667108

There’s a lot to be said about only having what you need. No point dragging around an 80 kWh battery of a 24 kWh does what you need daily.

But it is interesting that the charge cycle in the larger battery will be greatly reduced so that goes in its favour. I suppose it comes down to how long you’ll keep the car for and if the higher outlay now will be worth it down the road. There’s a lot to say about a brand new car for €25k.

yermanthere

Well said. It's not all bad when buying new. Depreciation is always there, like the top gear car, lurking.

But new tyres, no NCT, no replacement parts, lower insurance, warranty. They all do have a financial value.

allinthehead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122667126#Comment_122667126

25k is incredible value, I'd be all over this if I was in the market, despite the shortcomings of the Leaf.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122667108#Comment_122667108

It's an interesting point. But it will come down to convenience and price. If you can get it cheap enough you can make a small battery work. But you might feel the extra for a larger battery is worth extra.

But a larger battery gives you more options, you'll also get more charge faster, since the smaller battery will hit it's charge limits (where it slows down) faster than a larger battery.

We do low mileage have a small battery, and in a year we've only needed to charge away from home on one journey. CSS gives you more options with chargers.

I will say if it's a second car then smaller battery no problem. If it's the main car, or one you'll do long journeys in, even a handful of times a year the larger battery will be better. Also faster charging is useful is you need to top up quickly for some reason. Forget to charge overnight etc.

Markcheese

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122667152#Comment_122667152

As far as I know , it's 25 grand and zero % finance , that's pretty big deal in itself ,

it was a biggish deposit ,7 grand..

But I can't remember was it PCP or hp , or what

TitianGerm

Might be worth your while ringing the likes of MG to see what sort of deal you could work on the MG4. Might not be much more expensive than the Leaf but will be a "newer" car and will have the benefit of CCS.

blobert

I'm guessing the €23,495 Leaf offer is the base model, not sure what the spec is like on that.

We just got my wife a 3 year old Tekna (highest spec) model for just about €12k from Northern Ireland, I think new they are circa €28k new.

We've had 4 Leafs at this stage, keep coming back to them as they are a really great 2nd car (ie anything other than long trips in them) which ends up doing the vast majority of our driving.

This is the first of the current model ones we've had and it is definitely a bit nicer than previous ones, having android auto etc is a welcome upgrade. I'd also be a big fan of the Tekna spec, it has pretty much anything you'd want (real leather seats, heated seats, upgraded sound system etc), probably not worth the extra thousands when new but I think it's well worth it as a 2nd hand model.

We actually had an MG4 for the past 6 months (got to replace 3rd Leaf) but got rid of it as my wife just preferred the Leaf. While the MG charges faster/has bigger battery etc if you're not doing long trips I think the Tekna leaf is a nicer/more comfortable/spacious car to drive. MG interior felt cheaper also even though it was high spec model. It seemed a no brainer to have a 12k car which we preferred to a newer car that cost near to 3 times more new

Anyway our 3 year old Leaf has about 50,000km and, with the benefit of a good valet is essentially a new car to us, at about 40% of it's new cost. To me this would seem the sensible option here as opposed to buying new, the new Leaf you're getting is essentuially the same car. I'd probably see things differently if the "new" leaf had double the battery size/faster charging but it doesn't in this case so I don't see much advantage in the new one.

I've bought a couple of new EVs in the past few years (Kia EV6 and Tesla Model Y) and while it's nice having a new car in reality you're just losing 10's of thousands in depreciation over the first 2/3 years. I also am more bothered by any scrapes/scuffs etc on a new car than I would be on a 3 year old used car. I bought the EV6/Model Y new as at the time there were not really any suitable used EVs that could do what I wanted (be able to do very large road trips around Europe in the summer with fast charging). But now that a 2/3 year old EV6 will be getting down to about 25-30k I think I might sell the Model Y (depending on how much I can get for it) and go back to doing what I normally do of owning 2/3 year old cars and changing every year or two. This seems to be the best way of having a relatively new car while losing as little as possible through depreciation.

Anyway I'd look at a used fancier spec Leaf for half the price of your new lower spec one. But you may put a greater value on having a "new" car than I would.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122668564#Comment_122668564

The base spec leafs were usually AWFUl. However on new leafs the XE base spec is still a good car, has apple carplay, CCS charging, adaptive cruise etc

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058371233/wife-wants-a-new-nissan-leaf-offer

As cars go the Leaf is pretty bulletproof. Very reliable, easy to drive, decent space for the size and one of the few reasonably compact EVs

40kWh is enough to cover probably 95% of all your driving so don't be surprised if it becomes your main driver

The two main disadvantages are the lack of cooling and the Chademo port

Chademo isn't officially supported anymore and some networks won't install it. However others are still installing Chademo but often limited to 50kW

In addition the lack of battery cooling means the car will often charge slower at a DC charger to prevent overheating. So you might not get the full 50kW

Long story short, it's a great car within around 100-120km of your house (i.e. round trip without charging) but isn't so good beyond that

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669045#Comment_122669045

CCS charging???

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122669185#Comment_122669185

Obviously that was supposed to read DC charging 😂

staples7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122668564#Comment_122668564

Same as yourself I would always have bought 2-3 year old car. But jumped into a new ID4 then followed closely by a Model Y.

Had a Tuguain all space previous to that with a decent amount of value so the cost to change to an ID4 was 7/8k (49k total). and the market for 2nd hand cars was very limited.

ID4 annoyed me enough that I jumped to an a model Y (47k) after 9 months, luckily that jump was 3/4k at the time in early '23. Before the arse fell out of the ID4's

I would be very slow in changing the Y as it ticks every box for me (Safetly,economy,tech, acceleration, space (Kids and gear)

However if I did I would probably struggle to get much more than 30k in the morning. So I would be in full agreement once EV market settles 2-3 year old low milage EV is the way to go.

IrishHomer

Just a quick update

Went to Nissan Mullingar and they are selling the baseline Leafs brand new for €20,495

Test drove I think it's perfect my wife's needs.

Can anyone recommend who or how to go about getting a home charger installed?

allinthehead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122680405#Comment_122680405

Incredible value. 😲

KaseLieberKase

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122680405#Comment_122680405

Wow that's a great offer, did they say how much the 62kWh version is selling for?