ATR 72 crash, Cascavel and São Paulo, 9th August 2024

WishUWereHere

Breaking news on SKY that a 68 seater plane has crashed in Brazil.

I’m sure more developments will be reported as they are revealed.

Looptheloop30

Nothing good comes from that

https://x.com/volcaholic1/status/1821960876968104277

WishUWereHere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122484861#Comment_122484861

Horrific. Tragically Ltl, I suspect You are not exaggerating:(

Lewis_Benson

Oh ****.

That's horrific.

Wanderer78

oh thats terrifying, rip

Dazler97

Very sad indeed I was gonna start a thread but yous beat me too it

WishUWereHere

The plane was an ATR72, with 62 people on board according to SKY News

Horrible outcome. RIP to all involved.

Dazler97

There where no survivors according to sky news

Deja Boo

oh my, what terrible news, those poor folks and families!

Dazler97

The video is also available of the plane crashing

Hold My Hand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485332#Comment_122485332

No thanks

CPTM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485332#Comment_122485332

The video has already been posted above I think

CPTM

I suppose you've already seen it, but just to add to the thread the Flight radar data:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ps-vpb#368e25db

Any experts in here have any early opinions? Seems like a strange crash. Looks like a stall but shouldn't you recover from a stall at 15,000 feet?

Meirleach

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485340#Comment_122485340

Not an expert by anymeans but it looked like the aircraft might have been in a flat spin.

chimp77

There a number of scary videos of ATRS captured, crashing down through the years. That one is particularly disturbing.

deandean

That's terrible to watch. I recall stories from Aer Lingus pilots training in FLA about how difficult it can be to recover a twin from a flat spin.

accensi0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485365#Comment_122485365

Never seen anything like that before. Looked like what happens to a helicopter!

Awful.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485340#Comment_122485340

That's just 2 minutes to fall 17000 feet and it had held that height for some time.

davepatr07

Horrible and so tragic..

I'm no expert but I noticed very closely 3 secs into that video a spark or flame coming out of Engine No 1 during its spin.. strange noise too..

RIP to those on board.

Tenger

Apparently warnings about ice in the area.

I've zero idea what could cause such a flat spin.

https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1821976858227044434?t=rgPZ0E6i9e4EWShfpQWI9Q&s=19

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485704#Comment_122485704

If a plane was level and stable enough for you to jump out of successfully with a parachute it probably wouldn't be crashing in the first place.

As an aside, there's nothing stopping you legally in bringing a parachute in your carry on if you fancy giving it a go.

geographica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485069#Comment_122485069

Been revised to 61 I believe (not that it matters here)

terribly tragic. RIP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485340#Comment_122485340

Its a stall. Probably a mechanical fault. [CASUAL RACISM REMOVED]

Rip to all involved.

geographica

a NOTAM was issued for icing between 12000 and 21000ft in the corridor they were in, PS-VPB was at 17000ft when they hit trouble

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485855#Comment_122485855

Nothing stopping you legally, but I believe it's very, very difficult to even take a chute with you in the hold let alone the cabin.

Not sure if they just want the assengers to all go together, or maybe it's to stop people making off with the headphones :-)

OneEightSeven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486039#Comment_122486039

There are a few reasons why they don't bother putting parachutes on planes:

1. The air pressure difference inside and outside makes opening the door impossible.

2. The air is thin up there. Without an oxygen tank, you'll die of asphyxiation.

3. It's freezing up there. For jet planes, which fly at a higher altitude, it's between -40° C to -60° C. You'll freeze to death. With this plane, which was a propellor plane and flew at a lower altitude, it was between -10° C to -13° C.

4. Flying at a lower altitude gives you less time to evacuate the passengers. This plane went from 5000m to a fireball in less than 2 minutes.

John.G

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485651#Comment_122485651

https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/660783-august-9-2024-atr-72-crash-sao-paulo-brazil-flight-ptb2283.html

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485651#Comment_122485651

A friend of my family who was an expert in aerodynamics used to talk about the Fokker 50 design and how a small amount of ice buildup in the wings badly degraded their performance.

User567363

I'm glad i dont fly

wanderer 22

Maybe less of the jokes? RIP to all.

davepatr07

"Images broadcast on local media showed a large plane nosediving at high speed, while other footage showed a large column of smoke rising from the crash site in what appeared to be a residential area."

What sort of journalism is that..