Eamonn Casey sexual predator

jonnreeks

Another bishop in Ireland called out as a sexual predator!

What's new really the whole infrastructure of the Catholic Church was rotten to the core and they got away with it for years and thrived in the glory of it all.

SuperBowserWorld

It really stinks. Completely diabolical and abhorrent for those directly and indirectly affected. Honestly, I am sick to my stomach with that organisation. How many lives were destroyed, beaten down and short changed for that culture?

Padre_Pio

Abuse was known and covered up by everyone, top to bottom.

Honestly they are all complicit.

whisky_galore

I have no idea why this cult, and it is a cult (with the passage of time giving a semblance of respectability) hasn't been closed down, assests seized for the public good and run out of the country.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411589#Comment_122411589

Didn't the English try that already?

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415022#Comment_122415022

Then they realised they could keep the natives placated by leaving them be with their popish superstitions.

Having a priest training college here rather than religious in training going off to the Continent and coming back with dangerous ideas. It worked well for a while too. The RCC and the Brits, together at last.

Hotblack Desiato

It's disgraceful that he was given the church equivalent of "full state honours" and an exalted burial place even though the church was well aware of several accusations against him many years before his death, paid out substantial compensation to some (they don't do that unless they know guilt is all but certain) and secretly removed him from ministry in 2007.

A total of 11 bishops and 61 priests took part in the concelebrated funeral mass for Casey in Galway’s Cathedral on March 16th, 2017.

Says it all really.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411589#Comment_122411589

It is strange that the state doesnt CPO some of the huge religious lands, which are barely inhabited, considering the epic housing and infrastructure crisis we have in the country.

Hotblack Desiato

That'd involve a very profitable tax-free cash-out for the RCC. We should seize assets in lieu of the compensation the RCC agreed to pay but hasn't. Constitutional amendment if needs be.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122434640#Comment_122434640

Our housing and infrastructure problems are not due to any lack of land.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435294#Comment_122435294

Plenty of prime land in Dublin that houses old religious institutions in very large areas, near LUAS and direct bus routes into the city centre.

Thinkingaboutit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435294#Comment_122435294

Very much. There's so much OPW managed (supposedly, not even really, often HSE or ex HSE) ex religious buildings falling into rack and ruin for a lack of initiative and imagination.

Honestly this documentary didn't seem to have too much new on that pervert and thief who made sure to put himself in the centre of things publicly and in private to enjoy a life of diocesan luxury and lustful indulgence. One thing which disturbs me still is that after this disgraced man was sent to Latin America (where I hope he did no further harm) certain of his confreres or colleagues were putting it about that people were too hard on someone living a holy and repentant life. Hopefully for the sake of his soul he repented. I think his destructive and tasteless renovations of churches that came into his charge perhaps were a hint of his perverse nature at that point.

Hotblack Desiato

Will it ever be known who, when the scandal broke, rapidly paid back the diocesan funds he stole? Unlikely I'd imagine, but it'd be "interesting" to know. Clearly Casey had powerful and wealthy friends. I'd wonder if they'd already been tipped off so they'd be able to step in so rapidly.

Seth Brundle

Wow - Hypocritical Bishop encourages abortion option to hypocritical priest & his lover

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/bishop-eamonn-casey-advised-his-friend-fr-michael-cleary-to-arrange-abortion-for-second-child-with-phyllis-hamilton/a962394851.html

Thinkingaboutit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461104#Comment_122461104

A priest preached a sermon mentioning Casey years ago calling him a thief and suggested that it was 'somehow' repaid. I think that advice from Casey to Cleary was known. I recall listened to Cleary on his radio programme. He was (quite reasonably) annoyed that people were complaining about an excessive focus on the Yugoslav War in one programme. I read a book of his. His considered young men drinking, smoking and playing cards would be the downfall of Ireland. He had a popular, populist way, and was charismatic, but also seemed prickly with a sort of over acted holiness.

Yellow_Fern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058360871/eamonn-casey-sexual-predator

While a fair few bishops were involved in cover ups. Very few were associated with abuse themselves.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122434708#Comment_122434708

Sad to see such extremist language here. The idea that there is an unpaid bill is a bogus. It was always a voluntary sum and well over the figure was paid when you consider all the other donations to the state, all the Catholic schools handed over for free during divestement, sites for Ukrainians and many others. The extrodinary Elm Park site was said to be worth €200 million.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122879455#Comment_122879455

You mean catholic administered schools. They are funded and maintained by the state

Did the church/institutions agree to the pitiful amount or not?

I'm sure you will be showing us your calculations on how well over the figure was paid.

Yellow_Fern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122879612#Comment_122879612

The land and buildings are owned and paid for parishes. For decades, they were funded by parishes.

You use the word pitiful, yet if it was so pitiful, there would be legal cases winning such sums. But there hasnt been any!

The organisations in question (not the Church) did not agree to the higher figure at all quoted in the media. The notion that they did was Labour spin years alot throwing to drum up anti Catholic sentiment. The orders only promised to contribute to the redress board about €128m. I have calculuated they have given over €350m on top of this, frankly I think that was overgenerous to a state that wants to strip Catholics of their equal rights..

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122489226#Comment_122489226

Cleary was an awful man but the Irish RCC was willing to not just tolerate but promote him, as they considered him "in touch with young people" 🤮 and for decades now they've realised that failure to capture the young means that their organisation is doomed, control of 90% of state-funded primary schools notwithstanding.

@Yellow_Fern "While a fair few bishops were involved in cover ups. Very few were associated with abuse themselves."

I'd like to know how many bishops, precisely, were NOT involved in the cover up of child abuse. We can judge the morals of a man not only by his own actions, but by the actions of others that he is prepared to excuse.

Hotblack Desiato

Divestment is some joke. About half a dozen schools in the whole country… and the RCC has stated it wants to charge the State rent on any future divestments!

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122879871#Comment_122879871

So not funded by the church? Glad we cleared that up.

You calculated?

No problem in showing your figures then of the 350 million to the redress board

Not the church🙄

Overgenerous by an organisation that committed atrocities on the most defenceless people on a global scale. You need to come back to reality.

What rights are Catholics going to be stripped of?

Hotblack Desiato

a state that wants to strip Catholics of their equal rights

Suuure. Never mind the constitution or the ECHR. Some persecution complex going on here. RCC can no longer dictate to the whole of society and our governments. They'll just have to get over it.

Yellow_Fern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122882180#Comment_122882180

Prominent secularist do want neopenal laws. Fergus Finley callled for religious orders to be banned in a column. Aodhan ORiordain called for civil servants to be screened for strong Catholic faith. It is common place for people to call for faith to be kept to private spaces. Many people want to ban kids being exposed to religion. We already have unreasonable discrimination, with Catholics schools being banned from using faith to select enrolments, while others faiths and ethos can. It is very expensive to take a case to the supreme court or the ECHR. So that doesnt mean much.

Yellow_Fern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122880466#Comment_122880466

Double standard. No bishop in office is involved. Nor any in the last ten years. Cleary's crimes were not known to anyone. So attacking the churches handling of him is unfair. I an assure you, we are not doomed.

Your comment is unreasonable. A coverup doesnt mean they were excusing the abuse. In many cases, the bishops did a lot to stop the abuse, in Dublin, there are many famous cases of attempts to stop abuse by hiring the best medicine could offer. The term coverup only means that they didnt get the State involved. The same happened across society and across all countries.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122884913#Comment_122884913

Well when you rape all the children in your care you can see why parents want you nowhere near their children.

Yellow_Fern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122882153#Comment_122882153

Here is a break down:

Donor	Asset	Mn
Spiritans	redress payments	5.4
Jesuits	redress payments	7.4
Sisters of Charity	St Vincents Elmpark site	200
Dublin diocese	Merrion Square Park	40
Miscell	20 schools divested	120
Jesuits	Jesuit Rembrandt painting	20

This is addition of the €250m paid in the formal channels by the 18 orders in the Ryan Report.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122884913#Comment_122884913

Yes, the expense and difficulty of taking a case to the Supreme Court and ECHR is what has allowed Catholic schools to continue to discriminate against non-Catholic families for so long, in violation of their explicit constitutional rights. Plus by the time the ECHR reaches a decision, your primary age child might be in university…

The only reason RC primary schools are no longer allowed to exclude children from non-Catholic families is that they still control 89% of those schools. The baptism barrier excluded some children from obtaining a school place in their area at all, as in the admission policy they were behind children from outside the area. That was not right.

The obvious solution is to end the massive mismatch between the much diminished place of religion in our society, and its still very prominent place in our education system.

Citation needed for Fergus Finlay as I strongly suspect you are stripping away a great deal of relevant context there. e.g. orders which have not co-operated with abuse enquiries and refuse to compensate victims.

Citation needed for Aodhan O'Riordan also. There is explicit protection in the constitution against religious discrimination so if your representation of what he said is accurate, it would not fly.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122885157#Comment_122885157

Before I dismantle this, you need to provide a source for your figures

You also didn't say what rights are being stripped from Catholics🤔

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122884951#Comment_122884951

Funny how they never seemed to consider stopping abuse by getting abusers convicted and imprisoned? Or even just ensuring that they were kept away from children while moving them on?

"Didn't get the state involved" - why did they not consider that these offences were serious crimes? Covering up evidence of serious crime is a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice and is itself a crime.

The "treatments" were laughable - as if a child rapist could ever be trusted to be in the presence of children unsupervised. Were all these intelligent, highly educated men in positions of power in the RCC really that naive?

So you admit that up to about ten years ago, bishops who did this were still in office. Why were they not removed? Were they really considered fit men to be in ultimate control of vast numbers of our primary schools?

The RCC is playing a long game - before long anyone who could be implicated in anything will be dead, and the orders will still have most of their money and land - and proper reform of our education system seems as far away as ever.

Yellow_Fern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122887617#Comment_122887617

I think you are generalising and unfairly. In many cases they did take firm measures to protect kids. The 1917 code of canon law required this. Just look at the famous rehabilation centre in Gloustershire. Throughout the postwar period there were measures to protect kids. Sadly what changed was the abandonment of Canon law from the 1960s. The CICA 2009 Commission pointed out that trials in the Dublin Dioscese were stopped from the 1970s, which occurred due to the new more liberal atmostphere.

All bishops involved inadequant responses of child predators were long long removed. I dont use the word coverup because that isnt what I think happened.

They are not in ultimate control of schools. Catholic Schools are run by the whole Catholic Church.

Yellow_Fern

Muslim, Jewish, Secular, protestant schools can select enrolment based on religion but Catholics cannot. There is feck all evidence of Catholic schools discriminating. I looked for evidence many times. I can't find any. It is a confabulation due to school overcrowding due to government failure in planning thanks to open EU borders.

You can't demolish it, because the figures are correct and an undereestimate. I will share an updated improved list shortly

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122884951#Comment_122884951

Helping a criminal escape justice is being complicit.

As for preventing further abuse, I’m dubious. Fr Sean Brady, as he then was*, who was charged to deal with one of the very worst of the clerical abusers, seems to have been VERY lax in preventing Fr Brendan Smyth from harming other children.

So even if one or two were kept away from children forever after (and I notice you haven’t named any) I think any reasonable person would conclude that the church’s efforts were more about saving the public image of the church than about preventing harm to children.

To the extent that those aims overlapped, then sure, they did their best. But saving children was almost incidental to their real aim.

* Later Cardinal Brady, so his lack of care didn’t harm his career. Which at the very least creates the appearance that nobody else cared either - or even that that is exactly what he was meant to do: cover it all up with a veneer of “dealing with it”.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122908323#Comment_122908323

They are in ultimate control of schools. Each RC-ethos school has the bishop's handpicked representative, a priest, on the BOM. Principals are only appointed after the bishop gives his say-so.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122908329#Comment_122908329

This is nonsense I'm afraid.

In areas like Dublin 6, where the schools were seen as desirable, parents snubbed their local school to send their kids to the "desirable" school. Fair enough, if there was a place after local kids were accommodated, but that wasn't always the case.

Kids from non-Catholic families in areas like Dublin 6 found themselves at the bottom of the admissions policy, kids from RC families from outside the area were able to get priority over them. That was not right and in some cases left those kids with no school place in their area at all.

Ultimately every child gets a school place. But some were forced to travel outside their area solely due to not being Roman Catholics.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122908441#Comment_122908441

Brady threatened minors into silence about the crimes of his church they experienced. A truly despicable act.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122908329#Comment_122908329

Make sure to include your sources.

Open EU borders🙄

You still have told us what rights are being stripped from Catholics?

I'm assuming you do have an answer to that

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122908323#Comment_122908323

You mean catholic/RCC administered schools.

Unless there are some public schools funded by the church I'm not aware of🤔.