Grand and Marine Hotels for sale

odyssey06

From Lovin Dublin / Irish Times.

Two well-known Northside coastal hotels have both reportedly been put on the market by the Ryan family. The 203-bedroom Grand Hotel in Malahide is understood to be marketed with a guide price in the region of €60 million, while the 48-bedroom Marine Hotel in Sutton is priced at about €10 million.

The sale is believed to be in the early stages with staff informed of the plans in recent days. For decades the Ryan family have run the hotels, with the Irish Times reporting that the family are understood to be retiring from the hospitality industry.

https://lovindublin.com/news/two-family-run-northside-hotels-reportedly-set-for-a-combined-e70m-sale

Strumms

I have frequented both for years as has my extended family.

Hopefully the hotels retain their traditions of good comfort, excellent food, service and ambiance..

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058360032/grand-and-marine-hotels-for-sale

ideal for IPAs

Atlantic Dawn

They would be a sad loss to the area, hopefully they continue trading. At one stage there was a lot of hotels in the immediate area, all now gone…

Royal/Baily Court Hotel

St Laurence Hotel

Howth Lodge Hotel

Sutton Castle Hotel

antimatterx

I can see the one in Sutton being knocked and built on. Shame but it's a good price.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390352#Comment_122390352

Yeah I had same thought myself about the Marine hotel given location and price.

Have many memories over the years of occasions in the Grand and Marine, some sad, some special, some just a nice day out.

And also in some of the places noted by @Atlantic Dawn

Maybe not some much Dublin in the rare oul times but Dublin before the Tiger!

antimatterx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390382#Comment_122390382

All my family communions, confirmations, graduations and even grandparents birthdays were held in the marine so I've great memories of it.

mykrodot

Lots of memories of both hotels. I got married in the Marine in Sutton and our wedding night was in the Grand Hotel in Malahide before going on honeymoon. I am originally from Malahide and both were regular places of visit over the years…. meals, get togethers and sadly a few funerals since.

It will be sad to see them go but I hope they are kept on as hotels, they are badly needed and that they retain their charm (although the Marine needs a bit of updating)

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390352#Comment_122390352

Yeah that's my guess too, the location is too good good for a property developer to pass up. Could probably turn it into apartments

I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened to the Grand hotel also got converted into apartments. I assume they won't be allowed to demolish it given the architecture

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389757#Comment_122389757

I think they were all victims to land value and also a bit of a downturn in suburban tourism

I remember the St Lawrence and Howth Lodge looking fairly worn towards the end. I guess the cost of refurbishment wasn't worthwhile versus the profit from just selling the land

Ironically I would have thought someone like IHG would jump on those sites today. Maybe they'll get the Malahide Grand hotel

I guess the Dart and bus connections to the city were also a nail in the coffin. Tourists could stay in the city centre and just head to Howth for a day trip

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389757#Comment_122389757

Not sure if Sutton cross could handle additional traffic if apartments were built there.

Though I'm sure at the right "donation" price it can be figured out!

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390479#Comment_122390479

Sure just do the traffic survey on a wet sunday afternoon in November. Be grand.

antimatterx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390479#Comment_122390479

I don't think Howth can either. Those new apartments on the way into the village are disgraceful and I say this as someone trying to buy my first property.

easygoing39

Both are a bit expensive to turn into a non-national provision center.Local's can breathe a sign of relief.

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390484#Comment_122390484

Yeah combined with the plans to terminate the Dart at Howth Junction and shuttle bus commuters from Howth Junction to Howth go ahead.....it'll be grand totally grand!!!!!

Atlantic Dawn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390479#Comment_122390479

Yes I was thinking myself if you could get the Marine Hotel for €10 million it would be a bargain to then build apartments on but the traffic implications would be crazy on the area, then again stranger things have happened.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122392542#Comment_122392542

I assume the argument in favour would be that apartment dwellers would use public transport or walk to the shops across the road

To be fair, it wasn't like the hotel was car free. The car park there could get quite busy

Maybe if the planning includes conditions to redo the entrance and provide a traffic light it would work. Or perhaps a one way system like super value

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390960#Comment_122390960

Wait, what? Why would they get rid of the Howth Dart line?

spurious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390479#Comment_122390479

Sure won't they all be on their bicycles.

Was only in the Grand the other day. Seemed to be doing a roaring trade in guests and lunch folk. Nice spot. The Marine had gone downhill a bit recently, but lovely location.

Atlantic Dawn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122392980#Comment_122392980

Ive noticed lately the majority of apartment blocks have less parking spaces than the number of apartments within them, this is somehow seen as a good thing to encourage public transport use. What actually ends up happening is pretty much every apartment has at least 1 car and parks them all over the locality in other housing estates.

Atlantic Dawn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122392984#Comment_122392984

Line will stay but it will be basically a shuttle service between Howth and Howth Junction, you will get off the Dart at Howth Junction to make the switch to the Dart serving the other line. This will result in circa 40 minutes in every hour of the level crossings at Sutton station and Baldoyle Road being down, meaning traffic will be backed up to complete stop on the Dublin Road approaching Howth. They will need to either tunnel the crossings or build a bridge over them which nobody seems to have costed.

neris

Really hope they don't turn either into apartments or ipas centres. We're short of hotels around those areas and are littred with a blitz of apartments with more to come if they get their way in Howth. Roads beside both hotels are clogged with traffic and it's only getting worse

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395447#Comment_122395447

Well then an IPAS centre would be ideal, refugees generally don't have cars 😜

stargazer 68

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390479#Comment_122390479

Well it didn't seem to bother the planners when they agreed for the monstrosity of an apartment block currently being built just over Raheny hill. No entrance onto the main road, just through the housing estate. Raheny is already jammed in the morning with traffic!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122397376#Comment_122397376

Everywhere is jammed with traffic. The solution isn't to stop building. That particular apartment block is facing a DART station, and has numerous bus routes within a 1 minute walk. It's a 1 minute walk to the village. There is no requirement for occupants to own multiple vehicles.

cbreeze

I spent three weekends in the Grand hotel while a member of a citizens assembly. Rooms were clean and comfortable, food was very good and service was first class. Popular with coach tours and near the airport. It has an ambience that is not to be found in a chain hotel.

subpar

The Sutton site would have room for a max of about 60 apartments , given the planning restrictions limiting the building to 4 storeys and the already traffic congestion at Sutton Cross

Given a construction cost of approx 500k per apartment and a purchase price for the site of 10 Million, combined with demolition costs , legal fees, Estate agent fees and development levies to Fingal Council this would put the project way outside the inerest of any build to rent developer.

Equally the likely 1 million Euro plus price tag on such apartments is likley to make it very difficult to find 60 perspective trading down buyers in the Howth / Sutton area.

So all of the above may result in the Marine continuing to trade as a Hotel

antimatterx

The Marine is such a steal the government will probably buy it for migrants.

herbalplants

I do hope they keep Marine as a hotel but I fear building apartments might be the outcome.

GerardKeating

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122392984#Comment_122392984

The "plan" is for the Howth branch to be a shuttle service between Howth & Howth Junction

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470584#Comment_122470584

That's some plan alright, wonder how many hallucinogenic drugs it takes to make it sound like a good idea

GerardKeating

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470796#Comment_122470796

It's not a totally stupid idea, frequency on the branch would increase. Frequency on the "mainline" would also increase.

Quitelife

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122397376#Comment_122397376

Is it a case of some councillors been lobbied /looked after to help rich developers get even richer ??

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470930#Comment_122470930

It is a stupid idea.

The Howth train is full by the time it gets to Bayside at peak times....so a full train would need to get off at Howth junction and attempt to get on another train coming from malahide or wherever.

Even if an empty train was waiting you're adding probably 10 minutes and hassle onto a commute. Absolute pain in the hole for a "regular" commuter traveling on their own. However if you have mobility issues, vision or hearing impairments, pregnancy, dragging a child and buggy with you. The mind boggles as to why anyone thinks this would be a good idea.

Then the same coming home, off at Howth junction wait for the connection and continue on.

Throw in dark damp miserable nights into the equation and it really becomes the commute from hell.

Howth junction is one of the worst stations along the dart line, certainly not where you want to be hanging around.

That's just for a normal work commute, where everyone just wants to get from A to B as fast as possible.

Have you ever tried to get in and out of Howth on a summers weekend? A train full of varying degrees of drunkenness having to disembark 4 stops later having to wait on another train....yeah can't forsee any issues whatsoever!

antimatterx

it's not a stupid idea. It's inconvenient for people who use Howth, Sutton and Bayside sure, but it's adding a hell of a lot more extra convenience for people who use from Clongriffin all the way up to Drogheda.

Of course the people who lose a direct service will give out, but look at it this way. 3 stations lose out, while 7 other stations win out. Laytown and Drogheda are growing like crazy so the Dart there is needed.

subpar

Surely the right solution to allow more trains on the northern commuter line is to increase the rail lines from 2 to 4 ( even 3 would make a big difference) from Connolly to Howth Junction.

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390352#Comment_122390352

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457741#Comment_122457741

Maybe, but then again maybe not.

The old concrete site has more than 500 apartments going in. You'd easily fit 150/200 in on the Marine hotel site.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470796#Comment_122470796

More capacity is needed on the northern line which is understandable and this is what the "boffins" came up with.

Taking from A to give to B. I personally think it's a bad idea.

But the problem ultimately stems from lack of planning, wasteful projects and no consequences for those involved in the creation of the problem.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471104#Comment_122471104

Yes, although personally I'd prefer high speed lines running from Dublin to other cities and a new underground station under O'Connell Street (along with some redevelopment of the Northside)

Meanwhile on fantasy island I'd also like a train tunnel across the Irish sea and a high speed rail link to mainland Europe 😂

The issue with expanding the existing lines is they run through a bunch of towns and the people living beside those train lines might not appreciate their garden (or houses) being dug up for more rails

There's always the CPO option but there's so many legal challenges it almost isn't worth it

I do question the whole "northern line is at capacity" excuse. Technology has come along so much there must be a way to get a few more trains into the existing network

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471040#Comment_122471040

How do all those people cope when they go to London and interchange between Tube lines, and marvel at how great the London transport system is.

We are talking about getting off a train, and having less than a 30 second walk to a less than 10 minute wait til the connecting train.

Easy.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471040#Comment_122471040

There's more people North of Howth Junction that need services than there are East of Howth Junction. Comes down to that.

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471143#Comment_122471143

On one of the most unsafe train stations along the dart line!

Bar a cleaner there's no staff at that train station. It's a really awful train station to be waiting on in the dark. I know people that get off at raheny and get the bus from raheny down through donaghmede etc rather than get off at Howth junction.

I fully agree other countries manage it, however, sadly we only ever seem to get a project barely over the line. There's never "excellence". So I doubt the transfer will be as easy peasy as it should be.

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471158#Comment_122471158

Which is fair enough, if there was a better alternative for getting in and out of Howth which is basically an island.

It's not going to happen but if they widened the Howth /coast road and put a bus corridor in and have a direct route bus route from Howth to Fairview, none of the flaffing about going up through Raheny it would be a good option.

The road traffic in and out of Howth/Sutton is bonkers and I can't see taking a direct dart service out of the equation as helping the situation.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471143#Comment_122471143

I think it's more about travelling 2 stops to wait 30 mins for the connecting train in what is probably the worst station on the network (sorry Broombridge, you've become too gentrified)

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471332#Comment_122471332

There'll be 11 services an hour at peak from Howth Junction to the city, so a ~5m frequency, and 10-12min off-peak.

There'll be a 10min frequency on the Howth branch at peak.

antimatterx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471332#Comment_122471332

It will be 10 minutes max. They'll probably line them up so the connection is only a few minutes wait.

In any case, regardless of the views of people who use Howth, Sutton or Bayside, this is positive for most people on the northern line.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471332#Comment_122471332

30 minutes? Where have you pulled that from. A small bit of investment in that train station to appease the good folks of Howth and Sutton, all will be fine.

Strumms

the Marine in Sutton probably won’t be sold for IPAS accommodation ….. it’s a massive property but there are only 48 rooms….and they’d never get permission you wouldn’t ‘think’ to build up and back out into the gardens.

The Grand… 203 rooms but what are IPAS heads going to be getting up to out in Malahide….or Sutton for that matter. ? I’ve family out there for decades and their lifestyle when not working is golf, swimming / gym, eating out, drinking / socialising….

It’s a fairly affluent pair of locations and I doubt the international protection cash / welfare will go too far out that direction…

It is a strange one, a lot of the owners cash has been put into both over the last few years upgrading both hotels…really nice upmarket jobs, to now just say.. “we’ll sell up”… interesting..

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471403#Comment_122471403

Worth remembering the Deer Park hotel was being used to house Ukrainian families, locals seemed happy enough to have them around

I know Sutton isn't Howth but there's amenities close enough

Of course the cynic in me wonders if the attitude would suddenly change depending on the skin colour and major religion of the IPAS applicants being housed there

I seem to remember back in the day there was a case where the locals objected to Sutton Castle being redeveloped into apartments so the new owners started using it to house refugees. Suddenly all the planning objections were dropped, I wonder if a similar tactic might be used again 🙄

subpar

Any body know if the Hotels are sold yet.