€20k to spend. Ioniq 38kWh and alternatives

deepimpact

Hi everyone, I've owned a 2017 Ioniq hybrid since registration in January 2017 and I'm in the position where I have to replace the car unexpectedly. Normally, I'd buy new/demo models but finances are tight this year so my budget is €20-21k. Looking at the 38kWh Ioniq and there are a few for sale from dealers in Dublin.

The 38kWh thread is great for info on the requirements before I buy. I'll definitely follow up on the battery coolant change if I move to buy.

I can probably get a 2021 for just over €20k with some haggling, but is there anything else I should look at at that price?
95% of my driving would be fine with the 38kWh battery and herself has a 77kWh EV so we have long range covered.

Cheers

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058359429/20k-to-spend-ioniq-38kwh-and-alternatives

ID.3 + ID.4, Tesla M 3

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058359429/20k-to-spend-ioniq-38kwh-and-alternatives

If you search on DD for cars in the price range €15-20k, you come up with a fair few options. VW ID3 58kWh, Leaf 40kWh, Peugeot e2008 50kWh and e208 50kWh, Kia e-Niro 64kWh and MG ZS 45kWh. Probably more like the e-Golf, but it's got a smaller battery.

The Ioniq is a nice car, but it's out of production since 2021 and has a small enough range. A lot of the above ones are low mileage and pretty fresh.

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122374229#Comment_122374229

Not a fan of the ID range at all and I’ve driven a Model3 a couple of years ago and was unimpressed, but I’ll take your recommendation on board and look at those for my current situation.

Thanks.

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122374238#Comment_122374238

I’m not worried about range at all, when the 28kWh came out it was just outside my requirements at the time, the 38 fits near perfectly, even now.

I’ll have a look at the Peugeot and MG range though. Thanks.

crl84

The MG4 standard range might be an option if a 231 model comes up privately. Dealer markup would probably push it to mid-20s so a no go.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122374389#Comment_122374389

There's not a huge difference in the real world range between a 28kWh and a 38kWh according to what I've read on this forum. Obviously not from experience, so wouldn't be in any way sure of that. For me I'd be looking at getting the most range for my budget. Partly for the comfort of knowing I can go that bit farther. especially in the winter and also for the benefit of having a bit of a buffer for whatever degradation occurs.

Also with the larger battery, you're generally looking at newer cars, some with faster charging built in.

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122374939#Comment_122374939

Mid €20s aren't an option for me right at the moment and I'd prefer not to take a loan out, but I will keep an eye out.

The MG4s are an interesting car though!

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122374383#Comment_122374383

I’m not a fan of the ID range either. An Enyaq for example is a much nicer car than it’s ID.4 cousin but used ID cars are good value and plentiful at the moment.

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122375033#Comment_122375033

True, but for my specific use case, it suits better with the 38kWh than the 28kWh.

I suppose I'd need to be more specific about my use-case:

15k km/year, about 80% regional roads.

30km total daily commute.

Monthly(ish) drive across the country of about 180km, 50% regional and 50% motorway, Zappi at both locations. Access to fast charging is not absolutely necessary, but the route is littered with accessible fast chargers.

Access to a much longer range EV if needed, if the wife allows it!

38-40kWh battery capacity would suit my requirements nearly perfectly. Any more is a bonus.

I'm not tied to the Ioniq, but I do like the features and ride of the car I've owned for nearly 8 years now and I've a little longing about my recently deceased hybrid Ioniq!

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122375268#Comment_122375268

I get you, I see from the bargains thread that there may be some room in extending the warranty on VW dealer bought cars, so it might be a good shout!

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122375293#Comment_122375293

Yeah, it's not too demanding by any means. And you're in the handy position of being in the lower end of the scale range wise, so that opens up a lot of options for you.

The only reason I would feel the Ioniq 38 might be on the edge is because according to the EV database, the real world range in winter on motorways is 175km. Combined driving in winter is 205km. Obviously summer ranges are a good bit higher.

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122375325#Comment_122375325

It's an overstatement to say I do that longer trip monthly, it's more like 4 months since my last trip and that was in the longer range EV.

I've had some good recommendations from both you and joe, so I'll have a busy weekend researching.

zg3409

Depreciation is the real cost of ownership. If you want to keep costs down buy cheap and buy a car that will depreciate little. I think a 60+kWh car will have lower depreciation.

If you go done deal route and haggle well you could save yourself thousands.

The eNiro is a great car but you may be looking at high mileage and not that many years warranty.

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122376065#Comment_122376065

You're right, I calculate based on cost of the car outright divided by the number of years ownership, with any residual value at the end of the period being a bonus.

60+kWh cars are possible if I can stretch my budget, which at this stage isn't possible, but I'm working on it.

Donedeal is an option too. I see many are going the private route.

User1998

You could buy a 2019 or 2020 Tesla Model 3 for €20k/€21k. I sold one recently for €19.2k. My Summer range was 315km

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122376459#Comment_122376459

I saw you mention that in another thread here a couple of weeks ago.

They're not my cup of tea to be honest, but I'll look into them, thanks.

witnessmenow

Go up North and you'll get a 2022 ioniq 38 for well inside your budget, probably around €18k or so, especially if you arent in a major panic and can wait a few weeks, they pop up regularly enough.

If you are buying up north be aware there are two trim levels. It's not a crazy difference between them, but something to look out for. You can tell them apart from the leather seats. The higher spect has leather seats, electronic seats (including two driver memory), vented seats and I think blind spot detection and front parking sensors. Irish spec ones are all the higher spec (obviously once it wasn't an import to begin with). Importing was really no big deal, definitely worth the cost savings.

If you've been reading the 38 thread you know my adventures of the battery coolant! Factor in at least €1k for the services cost for 4 years worth of driving (and potentially a lot more if your not able/willing to travel for the service).

On my trip to Limerick last week for the service I would have gotten 300KM out of the car , just over 100KM of a trip and arrived down with 70% left of battery. Sort of an ideal journey for an EV as most of the roads were 80K, some 100K and motorway from Neenagh to Limerick, so I wouldn't always get that kind of range, but it definitely punches above it's battery weight.

ELM327

There are early kona64 for 12-15k out there, for doing long range in a cheaper way these were the original goat.

ray o

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122383793#Comment_122383793

Most in that price range have milage around the 200k mark. They still look clean so were probably used by savy commuters. What are your thoughts on them at that milage?

ELM327

They should have had battery replaced under warranty so to be honest I wouldnt be concerned. Hyundai batteries hold up really well to high miles. I had 2 Ioniq28s

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122383774#Comment_122383774

I get you and have looked a couple of years ago at NI cars. Unfortunately, I'm in a spot of bother with the car and herself is getting annoyed at her car either being missing in the morning or having to drive me into work daily, so I need one soon. I did look at some over the weekend, but I think it might just be too long for me.

You may be driving a similar route to me, judging the destination. Would be a very familiar journey for me.

I might see if I can get the coolant done before I buy as a condition of sale if I go Ioniq 38kWh. Two of the Ioniqs I've looked at are 212 reg and 222 reg with 55k km and 35k km respectively. Definitely due on the first, might be a tough negotiation on the second. Still talking to other dealers about a couple of other cars that were recommended here, trying to get extended warranties on the ID3 range is proving tough, but not insurmountable.

Kona 64kWh is on the list too.

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122384039#Comment_122384039

A couple I've looked at have had batteries replaced recently enough.

I saw one 2020 at a dealer that has only 50k km and is on the original battery @100% SOH, with no replacement due according to the chassis number, but the dealer has priced it a bit high imo.

Soarer

If you’re in a hurry and have the cash in hand, you’re in a great position.
Dealer has a car at over your budget.
Ring, ring.
“Hello Mr. Dealer? I see your car for sale. It’s slightly over my budget, but I have €20k cash here, and if that’ll buy the car, I’ll be over today to purchase if the car is good enough.“

“You’re not interested? Well here’s my number. I’m looking to buy today, and I’ve a list of dealers to ring. If you change your mind in the next hour or so, let me know. I may have already purchased by then though.”

Click.

Repeat until successful.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385665#Comment_122385665

Be careful if you’re being offered aftermarket warranty protection from the likes of Mapfre etc. They don’t like to pay out in the event you have an issue.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385700#Comment_122385700

Yes if it's not due it should have 100% SOH (use an ELM 327 and an app like torqueflight), unless many kms on the clock over 100k.

You should easily find one below 15k, dont pay any more than that.

Also worth looking at is the gen2 kia soul EV. Same range and drivetrain(ish) as the Kona but much better spec

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386257#Comment_122386257

I don’t even think they cover the main components of an EV

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386257#Comment_122386257

Will do, I've had Mapfre pushed on me by dealers that didn't want to stand over their cars in the past, so I know what they're about and avoid them if I can.

I have a couple of cars with manufacturer's warranty. One a 212 Ioniq 38kWh, the other a 222, balance of 2 years and 3 years on the Hyundai warranty. Another is an ID3 with a 2 year extension on the VW warranty, that was a hard push!

If I do go with a warrantied car, it's going to be a manufacturer's warranty, not those aftermarket ones.

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386230#Comment_122386230

I've been at that for the past few days! It's tough with work to get time to take and make calls, but I'm making progress and have a shortlist.

A couple of them are private and I may be able to squeeze a little more out of them, one Tesla in particular. Others are from dealers that I know are fairly priced.

deepimpact

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386368#Comment_122386368

The Soul wasn't on my radar until now.

Thanks for that. I'll have a look at them.