Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

Iseedeadpixels · 13-12-2024 12:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122951149#Comment_122951149

Onana shouldn't have passed, you said it yourself, De Ligt was not ready to receive yet Onana (who is in control) decides to pass it to him.

Bad decision on Onanas part, Onana at full fault.

Zico · 13-12-2024 12:12AM

The club didn't get smaller in the last 10 years. Ould Jim just likes to fire people, that's how he does his business, strip it down to the bare bones and sell it off the pieces. Look up what he did up in Scotland. The Glazers will be delighted with him so far. He's doing a great job for them.

y0ssar1an22 · 13-12-2024 01:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122951267#Comment_122951267

this all comes down to, what would you rather.

for me, SJR as a lifetime fan would have stepped aside for the good of the club, not done a deal with the glazers.

FFP is fine. under other ownership the debt would be gone, saving interest. jim doesn't have the cash for that.

AidoEirE · 13-12-2024 02:29AM

If he stays fit all season, Mazraoui has to be a signing of the season across the PL for 15million.

His game reading, his close control is good, defends very well and his progression with the ball up the pitch is unreal. His football intelligence is something too seriously admire.

Pure class.

Amad and himself and been absolute bright sparks to a dull season so far. Absolute talents.

Amad just keeps on impressing every single week. He twisted the defender for Hojlunds goal, was a lovely piece of skill. Such an exciting player and we always play well with him in the right.

In years gone we've always struggled the right side compared to the left, roles looked reversed now.

Left side looks shaky now with no lb/lwb.

Thought Amad and Bruno had some really nice link up play at times.

I did miss the first half, only caught the second half during work but still missed Hojlund 2nd goal.

Quiz question…(was mentioned in comes during the match)

Hojlund top joint scorer in a European cup comp with 8 at being under 21, joins Rooney and who else from utd?

(I heard it but genuinely forgotten)

Mr Teeny · 13-12-2024 06:42AM

George Best and Rooney... and Ronaldo??Good company for Rasmus :-)

13-12-2024 07:37AM

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I think the pass itself was bad too which messed it up. Probably gets away with it if it goes to De Ligt's right.

Onana is standing there with the ball gesturing to De Ligt he wants him to come short though. De Ligt winds up half reacting and going the other way as the ball is passed.

I don't get why it can't be accepted that Onana was bad on the play and De Ligt was bad on the play? But that it's something that can be worked on without sacking Onana.

Mitch Connor · 13-12-2024 09:04AM

Will be interesting to see what we do on Sunday. Will we be rotating players again? Or will Amorim pick what he actually thinks is our best 11 for this fixture?

Onana, Mazraoui, Maguire, Martinez, Amad, Dalot, Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund.

That is what i would 'like' - maybe Mount for Mainoo (and swapped with Bruno in reality?) is a shout. I just don't see a viable alternative to Dalot on the left - Unless you play swiss army knife mazraoui there and out both De Ligt and Maguire in the backline or bring Yoro in?

I just really want Amorim to treat it as a big game to win, not just any other game to rotate players in.

Iseedeadpixels · 13-12-2024 09:05AM

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1867477053911847131

Love these signings, no guarantee it will work out but he looks like an absolute unit for 17.

Quags · 13-12-2024 09:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122951502#Comment_122951502

But sometimes you’ve gotta just think **** this, way to risky and go long. It's ultimately all down to poor decision making as per usual with these players

Mitch Connor · 13-12-2024 09:34AM

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I wonder what it means for Amass. I think from the summer it looked like he had the footballing talent, but was a mile away physically.

There was takl of him havign (limited) involvement last season, and again this season, but we've not seen him at all. I don't think he was even in the training group with the other youths when amorim came in.

On the one hand, just looking at Amass, could simply be with the extra physical requiremeents of LWB they want Amass to focus on growing physicaly before bringing him in - at LB the distance might have been smaller.

Leon looks (from the VERY limited clips) far more developed physically.

But after this, next season you will have a 17 yo competing with an 18 yo for minutes. Feels like you will only really be able to develop one of them.

But 100% yeah - we should be making signings like this, low risk - if they develop brilliant, if they don't they can either be sold at a small profit, or at no noticable loss etc.

FourFourRED · 13-12-2024 09:41AM

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His first Manchester Derby, you’d imagine he will be treating this as a game to go all out for, not just because of the rivalry but also to try and take advantage of City’s extraordinary bad form.

With regards to the team selection - I found it interesting that the 3 CB’s all played 90 mins last night, when he typically takes one or two off. So he is either planning the same 3 for Sunday and wanted them to have a full game together before hand or else Maguire is going to come in as you suggested.

I’d like to see Mount get game time to put them under pressure but not sure if he should be there from the start. Would love to see him score soon.

NITRO95 · 13-12-2024 09:49AM

Personally I wouldn't worry too much about Amass and if us signing another LWB affects him or his development. We've all heard of hundreds of youngsters who will be the next X or Y who will be Man United mainstays for 15 years etc. Some went on to be solid squad members, others went on to be League 1 or 2 players. If Amass is good enough and physically develops he'll get gametime no matter who else is in the squad. If he doesn't develop then he won't.

I still think activating the buy back on Alvaro Fernandez is our best short-medium term option for LWB. Maybe offer Benfica Malacia on loan for 6 or 18 months and let him play some ball away from Utd for a bit.

DM_7 · 13-12-2024 10:02AM

On rotation, United have games every 3 or 4 days from 24 November to 30 December. 11 games in 36 days for a new coach to try and get an overall squad, he believes does not have the fitness needed, through while learning about the group.

Mitch Connor · 13-12-2024 10:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122951806#Comment_122951806

I think Leon means we certainly won't go for Fernandez - I reckon we will go for a senior/prime lwb and then have Amass/Leon (Shaw/Malacia).

Mitch Connor · 13-12-2024 10:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122951845#Comment_122951845

I 100% think there does need to be rotation - I just don't think it has to be every game, and always 5 or so changes. We should start to pick and chose the games, and look to have a 'first choice' for the bigger, tougher, games.

NITRO95 · 13-12-2024 10:37AM

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That's quite likely. I'm sure we've made enquiries to Davies to see what it would take to get him signed. Davies would be dream/football manager territory for me.

Mitch Connor · 13-12-2024 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122951966#Comment_122951966

Yep - if we haven't asked Davies camp what it would take, it would be insane. I would imagine we have and if we start hearing stories that there is no interest, the reality is that we have been rebuffed in our opening talks so have moved on. Which would be understandable - If Madrid isn't happening, he can still stay at Munich and both are better options than United. And even if he was determined to leave I'm sure there would be other sides that would come in for him - Liverpool to replace Robertson, Chelsea cause they will look to sign anyone with a pulse.

Robinson and Ait-Nouri are two I reckon we'd look at, and at the right age if we are also looking at Amass and Leon as possibilities there in the next few years.

Iseedeadpixels · 13-12-2024 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122951758#Comment_122951758

Nail on the head, Amass is too light weight atm, but competition is healthy too, a good loan to a tougher lower league would help Amass.

PARlance · 13-12-2024 11:44AM

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I would go one further and say that rather than just blaming our players, a lot of credit goes to their press.

Outside of that, it's mainly Onana's fault for me, but others could have done better. It's rarely ever just one person's fault on a pitch.

I definitely wouldn't be using it as a stick to beat Onana with, he's usually excellent in these positions and extremely calm under pressure. This is the way we want to play, there will be times we it goes wrong. Unfortunately when it goes wrong when your in goal for United, there's no hiding.

Mitch Connor · 13-12-2024 11:56AM

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I think there could be an element of simply over commiting to the the idea.

I think it is clear Amorim wants the players to play out from the back. He wants them to be brave on the ball and brave looking for the ball, as that is needed to bait and get out of the press and open spaces elsewhere. He has specifically said this.

So you could have a situation where players are actively prioritising playing to the ideal of what is wanted, rather than playing to the specific scenario in front of them at all times.

I think we will see times where we are caught out trying to do the 'right' thing for the general gameplan, rather than the right thing for the specific moment.

As the players become more used to the system and plan, and each other within that system and plan, you would hope these errors reduce in time.

DM_7 · 13-12-2024 12:02PM

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Looking at Arsenal and Forest. 7 players stayed both games. Amad came on early in the first. Maz was due a rest but the other players going in or out - like Malacia, Mainoo, Mount, Maguire, Yoro, Martinez have all had issues with injury.

I expect Amorim would have less changes game to game if he had a fit and settled squad but he doesn't have that.

Mitch Connor · 13-12-2024 12:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122952281#Comment_122952281

I think the fitness aspect is being overblown tbh.

He has said, clearly, the rotation is because after playing you can't train properly for 2 days - which means you aren't training in the system properly. So, imo, the implication isn't it actually about fitness but systems work.

THere are fitness issues with Malacia, Maguire, Mount in terms of recovering from injury but also… there is no good reason to start Malacia and play him for 45 mins vs Arsenal unless you are simply going by a training plan - you don't start Malacia vs Saka to build up his fitness and take him off at HT. That, imo, was 100% down to rotation for training.

I, simply, argue we should have had our strongest 11 vs Arsenal, and imo we did not. We played a weaker side as part of an overall plan to train/players with a long term goal of system comfortability. Which can be the right call. I just don't think it was, not for Arsenal.

AidoEirE · 13-12-2024 12:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122951445#Comment_122951445

Hojlund, Rooney and after a Google last one is Rashford. Not bad going tbf at his age.

AidoEirE · 13-12-2024 01:14PM

7th in the Europa league table from the teens. Rangers next in 6 weeks who are 8th. Should smash them at home, Bilbao and Lazio looking good

Always_Running · 13-12-2024 02:17PM

Six games in and Ruben has given game time to 28 players. He's going about things the right way and quickly finding out on which players to trust the most.