Delivery cyclists - grrrr..

sporina

they are a menace - was out on my bike today and one almost crashed into me - we wer on cycle paths but as I was going around a corner he came towards me in my lane - twas a close call

he was working for Deliveroo - will send an email to the company… prob won't do much use but better that than sit complaining and so nothing..

have seen them do crazy things - PS in Cork City

anyone else have a close call with one of them or seem them do dangerous stuff?

silliussoddius

The sooner most of these crappy app based companies go bankrupt the better.

igCorcaigh

A lot of them don't even have lights. They're practically invisible!

Montage of Feck

Deliveroo would tell you that they are independent contractors, nothing to do with them. A pox of a company along with uber and the rest.

magicbastarder

We spotted a chap on a dominos branded e-bike the other day on Macken Street in Dublin. I had not realised they'd started that.

A proper looking e-bike - usually the ones you see the delivery cyclists on are retrofitted frankenmachines.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058356393/delivery-cyclists-grrrr

I've seen a few Deliveroo cyclists almost get themselves killed.

One cycled smack bang into the back of a truck.

Another cycled out at a bridge when a car was turning left - luckily stopped in time.

Strumms

and the sorry thing is, if there is a collision, every other party involved, Gardai, cyclist will try and pin it on the big bad motorist…. get a dash cam if you are a motorist….rear facing too.

sporina

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275463#Comment_122275463

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275484#Comment_122275484

so deliveroo cannot be held accountable..

but are dominos accountable when such a bike is in use?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275835#Comment_122275835

Lol, the Gardai taking the side of a cyclist over a motorist? Rarely if ever happens, try cycling sometime, you'll soon see.

Victor

One and a half million people killed by traffic every year, and here you are, complaining about the group that does the least of it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275456#Comment_122275456

Yet, you manage to see them.

accensi0n

I knocked one down the other day about 10 mins from my house. Worked out grand though, turned out it was my delivery he had.

Hangdogroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058356393/delivery-cyclists-grrrr

Live in Cork City Centre. Walk to work and every day run the gamut of these delivery riders, the vast majority of them Deliveroo. Cycling on footpaths, zig zagging between pedestrians, breaking red lights, speeding around corners. They're a pain in the hole.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122276806#Comment_122276806

The situation with Domino's is probably different for them;

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/1020/1412044-pizza-court/

silverharp

The sooner they are replaced with robots the better, ive nearly hit one or two on the silly assumption that red pedestrian lights behind me meant it was safe to pull out, silly me making such assumptions

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277256#Comment_122277256

Separate to the discussion on delivery cyclists but no traffic lights, whether green, amber or red, mean that it is safe to pull out!

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277408#Comment_122277408

Im not sure I quite get your point but the problem with E anything is that they are "too fast for the eye" , they are small and appear out of nowhere due to their speed (and often dont have working lights). if everyone obeys the rules of the road its more predictable. Bring on the robots! automate that shiiiit

Frumy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058356393/delivery-cyclists-grrrr

Few days ago one flew out in front of me when I had green lights at a right hand turn in South Dublin. I was maybe one foot from running him over at 40kms after slamming on breaks. He just shrugs his shoulders and rolls on. He didn't look at all just went straight out in front of traffic and as usual no lights.

I want to make a point on this

These delivery idiots in battery powered bikes with zero lights and crappy dirty dark green jackets that have little to no visibility do no represent cyclists! In fact they aren't really cyclists as such so when we speak of these people don't lump everyone into the one category of 'them cyclists' Many cyclists are safe/lit up and use hand signals. These delivery guys are a totally different thing and law onto themselves.

I'm convinced alot of them too skirt close to collisions and they simply don't care as they are generally poor Latin American fellas and they would take a few broken limbs for a a payout of several thousand too.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277538#Comment_122277538

A commuter cyclist generally knows their route very well, enjoys the odd breather at the lights lol and isnt in a hurry to get from A-Z, Delivery guys are on a clock, probably looking at all kind of apps, a totally different beast using bad equipment and taking short cuts

breezy1985

@silverharp

The apps I believe have very severe late penalties and often unrealistic delivery times which put pressure on the courier and encourage dangerous behaviour.

End of the day anything involving roads in this country can be put down to a simple lack of enforcement. Some people are just pr1cks who need to be forced into doing the right thing.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277567#Comment_122277567

And all because we want everything to our door now.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277626#Comment_122277626

its not the consumers fault if the apps over offer/promise

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277647#Comment_122277647

Consumers use the app because of it sets an expectation of prompt delivery (somewhat) cheaply.

magicbastarder

how much do the delivery guys get per delivery?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277647#Comment_122277647

well it is the consumer's fault for allowing deliveroo to thrive. i don't use them because it's a pyramid scheme basically. i have a friend in london on 6 figures working for deliveroo while immigrants bust their balls trying to make a few quid and aren't even entitled to sick leave. these delivery apps seem to be absolutely booming in dublin too, during a cost of living crisis. keep your money and walk to collect your food or cook something at home.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275430#Comment_122275430

If people weren't so lazy about getting food for themselves we wouldn't have 21st century "coolies".

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277742#Comment_122277742

I wouldnt say its as simple as that, sure their are clauses (penalties) for late delivery etc…

Who in their right mind would do that job, must take some desperate person, pity the guys really..

Nobody would put their life at risk unless they were desperate, shame on the companies… they dont give a **** as they know they will always get someone desperate enough to sign up..

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277256#Comment_122277256

Robots won’t care if they hit you either. They’ll probably generate more tyre particles so will bring the ire of some.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277770#Comment_122277770

well, if they got 4 quid per delivery, they'd want to be making three deliveries per hour to even gross a minimum wage.

getting to the restaurant, waiting for the food, getting to the customer… i'd say that could easily take 20 minutes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277847#Comment_122277847

Cant see then consistently earning minimum wage … killing yourself for not even minimum wage - companies need to be held accountable..

Disgraceful..

LimerickGray

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058356393/delivery-cyclists-grrrr

why can’t they just put lights in their bikes/wear helmets/hi viz gear. I emailed deliveroo previously and they said drivers advised to comply with laws.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277756#Comment_122277756

Its not the consumers job to care, anymore than if they are getting a tesco delivery or some such. Its a political failure if the supply side is artificially too soft as it seems to be here. Ive a son at college who has a "weekend job" but by my reckoning he is a little "ripped off" because he doesnt get a weekend premium, an anti social hours premium but he likes the experience and the people and its just walking around money anyway

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277780#Comment_122277780

they will obey the rules so there is that and they will be programmed to anticipate collisions and avoid, much better than a distracted human. There are lots of jobs that can be automated like that

Tenzor07

It's really something that the Gardai need to take a close look at, maybe run a safety campaign for the Delivery drivers, checking for illegal electric motors on the bicycles, checking on basic awareness of rules of the road. Many come from countries where there's no rules of the road so it's definitely needed.

Use of the M50 by Deliveroo bicycle drivers is definitely one that needs to be stamped out, the last one I saw was last week at the Dundrum junction, 3 lanes and a Deliveroo biker pedalling away could have been easily wiped out by a truck.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278037#Comment_122278037

I think the companies need to be looked at and give them better working conditions.

would say they do what they do to make at best minimum wage, if they had better conditions maybe they wouldnt flaunt the rules soo much..

Vote4Squirrels

I get the LUAS from Abbey Street of an evening - they all congregate there waiting I presume for their next job.

The number of times someone has almost been hit by them, they're a complete menace.

Furze99

I was pleasantly surprised to see a delivery cyclist waiting for a green light yesterday. The junction wasn't particularly busy so they could have jumped the lights and gone on. But no, waited patiently.

Paulzx

They're a menace irrespective of what type of road user you are. Cyclists, pedestrians and motorists are all affected by them. I've seen them cycling the wrong way down cycling lanes with other cyclists having to take evasive action, going straight through busy pedestriann crossings at speed while the pedestrian light was green and wandering through busy junctions on a red light while looking at their phone apps for the next job.

The argument that they are underpaid and being abused by their "employers" is irrellevant. Somebody is going to get killed because of their behaviour

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277871#Comment_122277871

of course they're going to wash their hands of responsibility - the whole model of how they employ the cyclists is to avoid any responsibility.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278077#Comment_122278077

That's not the issue I raised, and there's no excuses to be putting their lives in danger by pedalling on a Motorway.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278037#Comment_122278037

perhaps deliveroo cyclists have a loose relationship with the law because the law has a loose relationship with them? i've heard several stories about the gardai not bothering to follow up assaults against them, and then there's this;

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2023/03/21/gardai-arrested-over-alleged-food-delivery-rider-extortion-racket/

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278316#Comment_122278316

They'll have a very loose relationship with their existence if some of them keep cycling on a motorway…

growleaves

It's not a cyclists vs. motorist argument imo because Deliveroo cyclists are not typical of cycling- they are erratic risk-takers (and would presumably also cause trouble on motorised e-bikes.)

Due to the nature of cycling they will not be directly responsible for a high number of vehicular manslaughters but they can get themselves killed* and increase chaos, danger and unpredictability for every type of road user. That's not good

*Unless you are an extreme libertarian you understand it isn't just about whether you flatten other road users.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278037#Comment_122278037

They won't because it's way way way down the list of dangers they are already not doing enough about.

If they are not going to do more about dangerous car driving and road deaths why would they tackle "getting a fright" from a bike.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278513#Comment_122278513

Sadly you are right but I'd argue it's more than a fright - I was clipped by a cyclist going on the pavement (that area between Jervis and the Quays) and took a right fall - yeah I'm not in danger or anything but ended up with a skinned knee and elbow that looked like I should be in the Beano!

Cyclists in general will use the lanes where available and the road where not and by and large is they skip a red it's on an empty road where it's causing no harm.

Delivery drivers however, is like a 2 wheeled version of Death Race 2000 at times.

thomil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278433#Comment_122278433

This!!! I cycle as part of my daily commute, more precisely, I use TFI Bikes here in the real capital to bridge the gap between my place of work and the closest bus stop served by my bus route home. Whilst there's the occasional Lance-Armstrong wannabe in an overpriced racing rig and far too tight lycra, the only real "threat" from my perspective is those delivery riders. Not only do they drive like complete maniacs, I'm 95% certain their hideous Engwe brand ebikes, which seems like the standard ride for these guys, are not even street legal. Contractor or not, gardaí need to start cracking down hard on these maniacs!

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278513#Comment_122278513

Well that issue is lack of enforcement by Gardai.

I certainly didn't get a fright by seeing the deliveroo driver cycle past the Motorway on-ramp, but that's because I saw him and slowed down, next time someone like him may not be so fortunate and could end up being killed or seriously injured.

ToweringPerformance

What do these services actually bring to the nation? I mean most take out food is unhealthy over priced rubbish and it's not like the delivery riders are massively contributing tax payers most are probably sending any little money they earn home.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278786#Comment_122278786

But that's the thing "next time"

We always hear about "next time" "could end up" or "before long" but it has never come. The fact is it's way down the list for a police force that don't even seem too bothered about the top of the list.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278282#Comment_122278282

tbh I think it is…the issue you raised is they cycle like maniacs, so what I said is very much on topic

if the job didn’t have such sh*t conditions, they could make this money without having to put theirs and other ppls lives at stake!

I know it’s not right that they do this, but unfortunately this is the society we live in, ppl will do alot to get money, and even at that it’s not very much money!

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122275484#Comment_122275484

Often see then working from the Ringsend Dominos.

magicbastarder

people seem to happily agree that the people being discussed are usually on non-regulation e-bikes.

non-regulation e-bikes are legally classed as mopeds, so they are not delivery cyclists, they are delivery motorcyclists.