The immigration crisis - my suggestion

RandomName2

So for anyone with their eyes open we can see that asylum is a bit of a big deal this election, for better or worse.

Here is my suggestion to help improve the situation.

Offer to pay all international protection applicants €40,000 tax-free if they return home. Also pay for their air travel.

Wait, wait, why are you leaving, hear me out.

This would be a significant saving for the state, as this would be less than the cost of two years' provision of international protection applicants. At the best of times we could expect someone's asylum claim to take roughly 2 years. With the state of collapse that the IPO is in I could see that time doubling, easily. This is a massive financial win for us.

There's an even greater reason. We have entirely exhausted international protection accommodation. People are pitching tents in Dublin city center. This is doubly illegal by the way, both the state is breaking the law by not providing accommodation and pitching tents in urban areas is illegal. Not an ideal state of affairs.

More to the point we have now got a backlog of 30,000 asylum applicants. How we can hope to clear that number is any reasonable time is a question no-one in government has an answer for.

Hungry Burger

With all the pent up frustration and resentment of AS receiving everything for free, while young Irish are working their bollocks off and can’t afford a house or get ahead, I’m sure the optics of giving them 40k a head definitely won’t cause an explosion of anger and consternation…

Sam Russell

The problem with those seeking IP is that they just turn up and self declare they need IP.

So first step is to identify who they are, age, gender, what nationality they are, where they are normally resident, and where they spent the previous 7 night before entering the state, and how they entered the state.

They must be able to define why they need IP, and if they cannot, their application should be refused and be deported. To be granted IP, the applicant must be fleeing war or persecution. Those seeking a better life are not seeking IP - they are economic migrants..

Now why are there IP applicants waiting many years for a decision? Surely, 90 days should be enough. So resource the interviews and decision making, and deport failed applicants.

Paying applicants to go away is just plain stupid - it just attracts others.

Miharo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058354880/the-immigration-crisis-my-suggestion

Very stupid idea. What do you think would happen to the numbers arriving once the word quickly spreads

purifol0

A big deal for this election LOL. Not to dismiss the protests in town or general sentiment, its just that if you think it's big now wait til the general election.

Lads, if the housing crisis continues the way it is now, a few years done the line those protest will turn into riots.

Atlantic Dawn

I like the idea of a 20 year ban on re-entry to anyone illegally entering the country. Each one of the chancers entering the country are taking the space of a genuine refugee.

Iscreamkone

I remember way back in the 70s we used get 5p when we returned glass bottles of coca-cola, Fanta etc.

One supermarket used to then put these bottles out the back. We would wait and then bring the same bottles back in the front door for more cash.

What’s to stop your asylum seekers returning multiple times for multiple donations from the state?

Pauliedragon

Is there not multiple threads already for this? Anyway my 2cents before it's closed we need more checks at the border. It's clear no matter where you sit on the political divide most people agree this is necessary.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228389#Comment_122228389

We need a deterrent would my 2cents

We need stop paying the 38.80 euro

We need to remove their medical card (this one is **** nuts)

No more housing, not more hotels, no more brick and mortar any where but instead we offload them detention center away from general public. Ideally I want them offloaded to a 3rd country

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058354880/the-immigration-crisis-my-suggestion

This would just create an incentive for even more migrants to come here purely to collect that money.

alias no.9

Basic tented accommodation in a secure camp in the Curragh, sanitary facilities, basic meals and emergency healthcare, daily transport to ports or airports for anyone who wants to leave.

Hungry Burger

Denmark have sensible policies in this area and have seen numbers plummet as a result. We should follow their lead.

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058354880/the-immigration-crisis-my-suggestion

Great idea.

malinheader

NGOs, Greedy property owners and all the people making a fortune on the back of refugees and immigrants has to be addressed first. To many profiteering off the backs of vulnerable humans.

Also massive influx of single men and people with no documentation has to be addressed.

Until this is addressed the total mayhem will carry on.

Musicrules

What crisis? People are blowing this way out of proportion. We just need to stop nerdowells coming in but overall immigration has and will be great for Ireland.

smokingman

Jaysis there's a lot of feckin nazis in their ss pj's on these forums lately.

Actual Irish people recognise how many millions of us left this Island and saw this kind of anyone-but-the-Irish rubbish in all of our families history.

...and now these Russian bots and angry-at-their-mother types are trying so hard to make us think differently than what we know from our own family history.

Sorry lads, feck off.

This..is...…IRELAND!

RandomName2

This..is...…IRELAND!

This is so cringe.

Eire Go Brach

Reps from the social welfare should be at the protests. Taking names and organising interviews or cut the dole. That would stop the protests fairly quick.

SupaCat95

This has been tried before with Roma gypsies given e6k to go home and they went there and were only back a month later with the cousins.

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228669#Comment_122228669

Oh yeah its its own little industry. Its actually a form of slavery for the new millenium.

fritzelly

How about when they turn up at an Irish airport and have mysteriously lost their documents the airline is forced to fly them back to the country they flew from and let them deal with it! Though the new rules and processes may backfire on this "oh I've lost my passport scam"

Pauliedragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228691#Comment_122228691

This is the Republic of Ireland where is "Ireland"?

10000maniacs

€40 Grand. COOL. I would emmigrate to the UK to immigrate back to Ireland to claim the free money. Everybody in the Third World would do the same.

Its like one of those Late Late Show competitions that Gay Byrne used to do. Free flights and €40,000 cash will be yours.

Not a great idea to be fair.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228899#Comment_122228899

The country name is Ireland.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228781#Comment_122228781

If the government had handled this properly and had proper immigration controls in place and also listened to people there would of been no need for protests.

RoboRat

Please don't become a politician...

whisky_galore

What's to stop them coming back again and again under assumed names and false documents for a payoff?

Just make conditions here unattractive enough for unskilled it isn't worthwhile making their way here. Problem sorted.

If you can build houses and work in hospitals, come on in. Or genuine refugees fleeing a genuine crisis. If not, jog on somewhere else.

ElitesTeam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058354880/the-immigration-crisis-my-suggestion

Dear lord no wonder the country in the state its in when ideas like this are considered good.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228610#Comment_122228610

Replace the Curragh with one of the off shore unpopulated islands and I agree

We should build reception centres on an offshore island, straight from the airport to asylum process island if you show up with no ID

Word will soon get out that this is what you face

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058354880/the-immigration-crisis-my-suggestion

so a one off 1.23 billion payout to 30,000 applicants some of whom say 10% are genuine refugees plus admin costs plus more than likely payouts to recipient countries to take them in

whats the set up the day after the 30k+ have been shipped home

zero euros or accommodation for new arrivals ??

DeadHand

Difficult to concieve of a worse idea.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058354880/the-immigration-crisis-my-suggestion

It's a couple of wasters on the dole going around Ireland trying to cause fights with the Gardai. That's the majority of the immigration issue

I twould be a lot cheaper just to stop the dole on all the wasters going around causing problems and se what we can do then about the actual people who are looking for asylum.

nullzero

Pay a team of about 20 people 40k a year each to speed up the process of weeding out the spoofers and get them sent home to their mammies as quickly as possible.

Then we can be as nice as pie to the people who actually need asylum and hopefully put to bed the constant cries of insanity from the far right and far left.

gerogerigegege

the issue is making me want to leave Ireland. the country is being turned into a dump.

JPCN1

Step 1. New minister for justice. Please.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122262465#Comment_122262465

Where is the utopia that you are looking for?

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122262465#Comment_122262465

same… after my parents are gone I’m not sure I’ll remain here. Place is now a total basket case…nutsville.

NIMAN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122262597#Comment_122262597

It's not really.

If you get off social media and travel around the country, you'll see its still a great place to live (especially when the sun is out).

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122231039#Comment_122231039

We should have a triage system for IP applicants.

1. First is to get the identity, place of birth, last place of residence, reason for IP, where they spent the last 7 nights, any other relevant facts. With this information, an interviewer can decide if there is a prima face case to deny the IP application, and applicant is deported, subject to confirmation by second interview by superior to test relevant facts and claims.
2. Applicants that pass first interview are then checked for veracity of facts determined at first interview. False information would derail claim if serious. Checks that applicant had not claimed IP in other safe countries or in EU states.
3. Any appeals would be heard as a last resort, and failure at this stage would result in deportation. Successful applicants would be given leave to remain, and any required support to settle, including language, work training, and housing.

The whole sequence should never take more than 90 days. In the past, applicants have been waiting over a decade. We could then cope with this influx within our obligations.

The Gov should be fully open about how IP applicants are actually being handled. There appears to be a ready supply of tents being handed out to be pitched along the canal.

gerogerigegege

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122262555#Comment_122262555

Any country which isn't being suicided like this country.

Galwayguy35

The country itself is one of the better places to live in its the people who are elected to run it thats the problem.

Until we have an immigration system thats fit for purpose we will be seen as an easy mark where if someone gets their feet on the tarmac at Dublin Airport they know there is a very slim chance of being deported.

A start would be to get tough on people who are destroying their documents.

Seth Brundle

Mod: It is clear that there is little interest to discuss this topic non a mature and level headed way.

I'll close this now and if someone would like it reopened then they can PM me with appropriate justification for doing so in line with the forum charter.