Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

thesandeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123506323#Comment_123506323

She gets more into her bag.

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504910#Comment_123504910

scam/skam/

nouninformal

1. a dishonest scheme; a fraud.

From Re-Turn Homepage:

Recycling Targets

The Single Use Plastics (SUP) Directive is the main driver for the introduction of Deposit Return. We need to achieve the EU recycling targets of 77% by 2025, and 90% by 2029 and Deposit Return is a proven successful solution to achieving these targets.

Recent news article with a quote from ReTurn:

Re-Turn says plastic-to-plastic bottle recycling in Ireland is not 'financially viable' - for now

The company was defending itself after a TD told the Dáil that 88% of plastic collected is shipped around the world.

All the while they pocket €54 million. An no clarification if the waste shipped out foreign is actually being recycled. But out of sight, out of mind eh?

Sounds like a scam to me. Dishonest with their recycling blurb when all they are is mainly a plastic waste dispatching company. Surprised someone hasn't tried an Airtag or two yet.

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123508333#Comment_123508333

Every time their website is mentioned it should be pointed out that those European targets are for collection NOT recycling. When you have blatant lies on your homepage you lose all credibility.

dxhound2005

In 2021 the Danish DRS was still sending PET to Holland for processing. Sweden exports a lot of their PET flakes as well. Both these countries deposit schemes are up and running for decades. Ours is a year old, and has the advantage of being able to use new technologies when the commercial impetus for home processing arrives.

https://petpla.net/2021/09/22/denmark-partnership-ensures-bottle-to-bottle-recycling/

https://www.naturvardsverket.se/4ac845/globalassets/media/publikationer-pdf/8800/978-91-620-8888-0.pdf

(Sweden 2020). Most recycled plastic is currently exported, but new facilities for sorting, upcycling and mechanical/chemical recycling are planned for construction in Sweden. A couple of examples are Svensk Plaståtervinning’s new sorting and upcycling plant for plastic packaging waste in Motala, called Site Zero, and Borealis’ planned facility for chemical recycling in Stenungsund.

Good progress in Sweden expected for Coca Cola PET.

https://www.interpack.com/en/Media_News/interpack_Magazine/BEVERAGES_PACKAGING/Beverages_Industry_News/Coca-Cola_bottles_made_out_of_rPET

The company in Monaghan which Sinn Fein is promoting, gets their plastic from domestic bins, contaminated. Another company extracts the the cardboard and metal from the bins before sending on the plastic. And the Monaghan company has to do another involved process to separate out the PET from the mixed plastic, and render it pure enough to be sent somewhere else to be turned into bottles. That somewhere else is probably abroad, but Matt Carthy did not give that information. No word from Sinn Fein about any company doing processing of aliminium in Ireland either.

The bin companies and before them the Councils have had many decades of handling this stuff. Why did they never go into the business of making PET bottles and aliminium cans, or at least contracting a company in Ireland to do it for them?

bmc58

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123506509#Comment_123506509

OK.But in my local Dunnes the Return machine will reject most deformed cans and you have to straighten them out a bit to get them accepted.Some machines must be more particular than others.

dxhound2005

Tesco machines are more forgiving than Dunnes in my experience. I put rejects to one side after a single failure, and print a voucher for the good ones. The rejects can be tried again at leisure. Checkouts and service desks have no issue with more than one voucher.

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123508480#Comment_123508480

The bin companies and before them the Councils have had many decades of handling this stuff. Why did they never go into the business of making PET bottles and aliminium cans, or at least contracting a company in Ireland to do it for them?

That would require Councils spending money planning ahead and putting citizens first.

That doesnt happen here. The cheapest option + gombeen quick buck always wins out.

batistuta9

should be getting an update this month on how it's working out, 1st June was the date all drinks sold required the logo.

there'll obviously be some lag in people returning skewing it a bit but it'll be the most telling until June 26.

I'll guess the 54m will have risen slightly, can't see many bothered with it when they're out during the day etc.

bluedex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123481503#Comment_123481503

It may have been discussed on here before, but people going to a shop with only one machine (like a lot of local Aldi shops) with multiple bin bags full of cans and plastic bottles, and spending 20 mins at the machine putting them in 1 by 1 while a queue gets longer behind them 🤬

There's a special place in Hell for these selfish, inconsiderate a***holes!!

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514121#Comment_123514121

It's not their fault this scam exists.

Not everyone can or will travel miles to dump some rubbish every week.

Bit of misdirected anger there.

Tony EH

While it can be annoying to stand behind someone as the spend the guts of a half hour putting cans and bottles into one of these ridiculous contraptions, I highly doubt they are getting any pleasure out of it themselves. It's this ludicrous scam that's put both the person doing the unnecessary task and the people waiting for them to finish in this awkward position in the fist place.

It's insane that people have to put up with these slow ass machines to discard of something that there were already discarding in their own bins at home.

bluedex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514213#Comment_123514213

Yes I know, it's a rant!

They could of course, just go to one of the other retailers, about 2 mins away, that have multiple machines - but maybe they just want to spend their money in Aldi. The vouchers should be universal or else just credit your account.

But of course it's ultimately the fault of this ridiculous scheme and its unintended consequences.