Gardaí to allow the public upload Dash Cam footage from approx. 2026 via online portal

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218973#Comment_122218973

Bicycle, not motorbike - but where did you get "frustrated state"? Projecting perhaps?

Gardai generally don't give updates on reports unfortunately, which is another problem with the current process. But some Gardai do give updates, which is the basis for the comments above.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219504#Comment_122219504

You're moving the goalposts of this discussion now.

Nonetheless, if someone is thick enough to whip out their phone, record something happen on the roads and then give it to the gardai then they will be punished and/or their footage most likely won't be accepted due to its method of capture!

On a sidenote, you didn't drive by a traffic accident - you drove by a collision. You don't know the cause but it was unlikely to have been an "accident" and was most probably caused by one or more drivers not following the rules!

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219377#Comment_122219377

If you are able to understand that your having a phone won't cause other drivers to overtake on bad bends, how are you not able to understand that a car with a dashcam also won't have that effect?

Frumy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219576#Comment_122219576

You have yet to explain to me how me owning a mobile phone causes others to overtake people on dangerous bends.

I'm really finding it hard to make logic of what you are saying. Are you saying people use mobile phones driving? Not me. I never once mentioned that so I really don't get what you are getting at as I never once mentioned driving with a phone.

The J Stands for Jay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122215761#Comment_122215761

Which is mad because of the reliability of witness testimony compared to video evidence.

The J Stands for Jay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218973#Comment_122218973

I hope you pay more attention to the road than to the posts you're replying to and misreading

animalinside

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219650#Comment_122219650

Thanks to deep fakes these days may unfortunately be coming to an end.

The J Stands for Jay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219820#Comment_122219820

Still more reliable than human memory

Calahonda52

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122215531#Comment_122215531

I don't think this is the case unless they have sorted the ICCL/GDPR issues.

AFAIAM, dash cam and other unlicensed CCTV evidence is never the primary evidence for a prosecution because there is nothing to stop evidence tampering, or now AI generated stuff.

They also need to screen out the time wasters like on the Portal where guys/ gals were going full frontal, who post via a VPN.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122218478#Comment_122218478

I agree with you, the busybody types you’ve described will be absolutely delighted however.

Something to give meaning to their sad lives - the ability to police others at will with unassailable moral high ground.
You can see a couple of these types in this very thread, already getting hard at the prospect of “BUSTING” some other randomer. Very little else to be at, obviously.

magicbastarder

so someone nearly kills you with their car, and it's just being a busybody to try to get them punished for it. right.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219645#Comment_122219645

I was applying your own logic to demonstrate it makes no sense.

You appear to have the opinion that possessing a car with a dashcam makes one a worse driver. I can use the same ludicrous logic to postulate that simply owning a different device that is capable of making a video recording also makes one a worse driver.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219650#Comment_122219650

It's not really mad though, as someone has to be prepared to stand up and state how the video was recorded. They may also be able to provide direct evidence that corresponds to what is seen on the video.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219863#Comment_122219863

Are you mixing this up with the bodycam issue? There's no GDPR issue with recording in a public place and submitting recordings to Garda. Garda are in the press every week asking for dashcam footage.

Video is absolutely primary evidence, but has to be backed up by a person stating how, where, when the video was recording and how this recording is linked to the file(s) submitted to Gardai.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219924#Comment_122219924

You seem to have forgotten the bits about the police investigation. No 'busybody' will be policing others at will or will be 'busting' anyone. The 'busybody' will be making a report to the Gardai, who will be the ones doing the policing and the busting.

NIMAN

Why is it taking 2 years go implement?

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220541#Comment_122220541

Eh yes, the busybodies absolutely will be taking it upon themselves to police others and will take great satisfaction in going to the police to inform on them. Gives them carte blanche to go around filming people and wag the finger, all the while smugly patting themselves on the back for how “good” and “right” they are

Losers that have to insert themselves into the lives of strangers because they don’t get any satisfaction from their (surprisingly lacking!) personal relationships

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122215607#Comment_122215607

No way the bike would keep going if his hand is off the accelerator unless it had cruse control. He must have had a lot of confidence in his bike if he can do that at 100kph.

chiefwiggum

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220762#Comment_122220762

Looked like a hyabusa. Didnt even know some bikes have cruise control! Was going faster and could have been slowing as he was rummaging. Was gobsmacked by it to be honest

Frumy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220574#Comment_122220574

Yes pal.

It's truly astonishing people do not see this. You give people an inch they take a mile. It's always been like this.

I've seen it over and over and over again in life. People get a little bit of power and it really goes to their head.

This dashcam idea while perhaps well intentioned will undoubtedly lead to busy body 'sad life' types as you mentioned who will go out of their way to 'get' others on video and I would put every cent I have on it these same types aren't the best or safest drivers in the World.

Frumy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220308#Comment_122220308

Why couldn't you state this from the start?

No I'm not stating owning a dashcam makes you a worse driver however I can only go by experience and in my experience the 2 drivers I know who are obsessive about getting everything on their dashcams are totally useless unobservant drivers. 2 people doesn't mean everyone!

It's the exception not the norm but trust me their are drivers out there want to point out others transgressions yet are very poor bad drivers themselves the kind that can't clutch hold or parallel park or drive too slow or don't indicate etc.

Again the exception not the rule.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221619#Comment_122221619

If you have your own dashcam then you will be able to point out their transgressions if they start at you.

I think that most people with dashcams probably forget they have them. If they are installed properly sure they come on automatically and you wouldn't even have to interact with them.

Frumy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221656#Comment_122221656

I'll keep that in mind, but I have this belief that if I don't have one I don't need one.

I know it's superstitious but it works for me. Like people not walking under ladders etc.

So for now I be OK without one. For now!

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221668#Comment_122221668

I have this belief that if I don't have one I don't need one.

You never need one until you do need one!

magicbastarder

i too, plan on never being crashed into.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221668#Comment_122221668

See the video I posted above of the cyclist throwing himself onto the car bonnet. There are plenty of other videos where a driver (with a dashcam) is completely in the right when another person causes an accident and the other person immediately starts claiming the dashcam driver was in the wrong. If that happens to you, you will be glad you had the dashcam rather than a "he said/she said" scenario.

An example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Abd76kaHR4

Plenty of scammers out there too "brake-checking" or pulling handbrakes to have the person behind them run into the back of them for the lovely compo

Frumy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221757#Comment_122221757

You are starting to convert me!

Yes it's something I will definitely consider getting soon but I suppose my point being I don't want to live in a society where everyone is recording each other and it's encouraged or incentivized. That just seems so wrong so draconian in my opinion but I understand like you said loads of chancers and scammers out there too.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221784#Comment_122221784

I actually don't have one myself on the car but I keep meaning to get one. I actually have one on a tractor as cars often overtake dangerously and I don't want to be in a situation where I would be accused of causing an accident because some impatient person couldn't wait 2 seconds and overtakes dangerously and either gets into a head-on collision or cuts back in across me in a panic when they realise they have just tried to pass out something that is 40' long when they couldn't see around that bend up ahead.

magicbastarder

I've considered getting one for the bike but given the stories I've heard anecdotally about gardai giving people the runaround, I've not done anything about it.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220574#Comment_122220574

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221608#Comment_122221608

Eh no. The facts don't change, despite your best spinning efforts.
The 'busybodies' aren't doing any policing. They're doing reporting. Police are doing the policing.
Maybe you could confirm the full scope of crimes that people shouldn't be reporting to police. If I see a lad climbing out of your kitchen window with a Tesco back full of phones and jewellery, should I call the police, or would that make me a busybody? If I see someone assaulting one of the women in your life, a daughter or wife or sister, outside a pub, should I call the police, or would that make me a busybody?

Frumy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122222066#Comment_122222066

What facts? I never even mentioned 'facts' not once. It's all my opinion and anecdotal stuff from my life experience. What bloody 'facts' are you even talking about?

Police this and that, presume you must be in the UK pal we have Gardai here not police.

If you live in Ireland why bother calling the British police? What the hell has assaults on women outside pubs got to do with people sharing dashcam footage? Two completely unrelated things altogether.

And I'm the one spinning apparently eh! Pot/kettle/black.

I even said to Donald Trump I'm considering getting a dashcam and coming around to his way of thinking so I'm very willing to change opinion but it's my OPINION that most of the reporting will be done by busybody bad driver types that doesn't mean there is some good merit to dashcams but pros and cons to everything in life.

magicbastarder

if every time i went out for a walk for half an hour or more, someone endangered me or came uncomfortably close to harming me, and when i went to report it to the gardai, their response was 'well, it's your word against theirs'; no-one would say boo to me if i decided to wear a body cam.

i'd love it if the behaviour on the roads was good enough, or they policed well enough, that cameras were moot or redundant. but people choose to use them for self protection, it's not quite as proactive as sticking a camera on a pole on o'connell street and feeding it into a facial recognition system.