Star Trek: Discovery 5x10 'Life, Itself' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

ilovesmybrick

Star Trek: Discovery 5x10 'Life, Itself' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** } Warning: This thread will contain spoilers

AMKC

I see that this episodes runtime is 1hour and 25 minutes 34 seconds. Almost a mini film so.

Well there is some cool parts to it.

Still the same predictable result do. Hero Micheal comes through again.

I hate the Discovery Shuttles, so much room but nothing on it why just stupid and Discovery itself is useless too. Seems like it can not take a beating at all and it's shields fail in no time.

I will just say if you find the first part boring skip to 45, 46 minutes in and it gets exciting. This could be good. Still watching :)

So The shuttle 1 hour and 12 in looks like something out of The Orville.

Actually the ending was not too bad and Iam sure it will bring a tear to some people eyes but not mine not today anyway. I however did not watch near enough any of Season 4.

Maybe someone can explain to me why Micheal done that at the end and why they de registered a letter on tge Discovery? In fact it looks like its back in its originally configuration. Also how does she get back is there a ship or a shuttle waiting for her lol? Not explained.

pah

That was absolutely painful, thank God for the right arrow 10sec skip.

Thanks Discovery, I enjoyed maybe 10% of your offering but you won't be missed.

ilovesmybrick

Very poor, and the whispering was out of control this episode. I know the addendum was tacked on last minute, would have been better off without. Completely unearned emotional beats towards the end and entirely unsatisfying. So a pretty decent summation of Discovery overall for me.

breezy1985

Haven't seen it yet but have already heard enough big spoilers to know I am right that this shows lack of confidence in itself is a huge problem.

Big and small callbacks again mostly twisting and spoiling previous shows stories in an attempt to look like they actually know Star Trek. Christ just leave the call backs to Lower Decks and SNW which are literally nostalgia based shows.

ilovesmybrick

Maybe someone can explain to me why Micheal done that at the end and why they de registered a letter on tge Discovery? In fact it looks like its back in its originally configuration. Also how does she get back is there a ship or a shuttle waiting for her lol? Not explained.

They're tidying up that short Trek from years ago. Honestly they would have been better off forgetting about it.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122201910#Comment_122201910

Discovery fans were obsessed with how it was going to tie into Short Treks.

But Short Treks was never intended to be anything more than fun stories.

eadrom

First hour was bad. The rest was unbearable.

fritzelly

That last 30 minutes was so painful, compare it to the TNG finale and poles apart

And yet again the whole season was for nothing but for Burnham to decide nah throw it back against orders and she is praised

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202626#Comment_122202626

In fairness they didn't know it was to be a finale.

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202637#Comment_122202637

Doesn't excuse the season as a whole

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202666#Comment_122202666

Oh god no. The season was terrible (well the tiny bit I watched) and it absolutely ruined any potential for someone competent to come some day and do a good story about the Breen or The Chase.

Last few seasons of Star Trek we have gotten crap Breen, crap Borg, crap Founders, crap Kirk and more crap Borg.

Any chance these shows can just make some new characters and bad guys and do their own stories.

corkie

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Life%2C_Itself_%28episode%29

Still have yet to watch the last 30 mins or so!

Just finished it and for memberberries we get: -

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Daniels_%28Crewman%29

TheValeyard

Just a shout out to all those who spent time watching this so I didnt have to.

Cheers for keeping me informed throughout the season.

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202836#Comment_122202836

Aww you missed solving the hardest puzzle for 3 year olds (actually I think a three year old could have solved it in 5 secs)

eadrom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202854#Comment_122202854

Jesus, I was going to say. The plastic triangle puzzle — ffs, no joke but I think my 2 year old nephew has that game.

"Every clue has prepared us for this… one last clue… 'the one between the many'…"

It's make a bigger triangle out of the smaller little plastic triangles!! AARRRGGGHH. Lol.

Bellbottoms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200851#Comment_122200851

It is to tie in with a Star Trek shory Calipso.

Bellbottoms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202910#Comment_122202910

This was so dumb. But marginally having feelings save the day. Anyone else find it odd Culver was joined with a trill for a few hours. Adrina is joined to one, and they never bring up any of the other hosts memories or knowlege.

The mentors bit from Tilly I guess lets the Disco crew show up on Star Fleet Acadamey : The Show No One Wants.

The Daniels stuff was dumb. Why has he got Geordis VISOR. The Sisko will not be happy someone has stolen his baseball. He is non linear now.

The Pregenerators stuff was dumb. We just found this stuff. We have only figured out cloning.

The ending, Jesus. How many were there? Maybe six endings. This isn't Lord of The **** Rings. Awful all whispered. We had maybe three seconds of Demeter and the pilot whos name I still do not know. No Nielson. It also looks like they used a body double for Culver.

The Calypso tie in. Not intrested. How many people have seen Star Trek Shorts.

Now for the good. These are the Voyages…. is no longer the worst Star Trek finale. Mol got injured and was not happy. I don't have to watch this show any longer. I thought it would get better. I am a fool.

FutureGuy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202854#Comment_122202854

That was hilariously bad. Mol IQ dropped a million points by failing that puzzle. It's the type of thing that's so bad, I would have expected someone to have called it that when they read the script. But no.

It was the perfect Discovery finale - non sensical, overly emotional (at least attempted), cop out ending, terrible dialouge - sums up the series perfectly. I won't miss 95% of the cast or setting - If I never see Tilly, Stamets, Adira or (insert those crew members you don't really know) again, it will be too soon. Can forgive how they ended it as they found out super late that it wasn't being renewed.

sioda

Tripe plain and simple. Discoverys only shining light it gifted us SNW.

That ending was a joke a call back to a short story come on.

A nonsense ending to a nonsense season. Won't be needing a rewatch.

breezy1985

At one stage Moll is shocked the corridor goes on forever and Burnham says its impossible.

Ah Trek has TARDIS tech in the 32nd century and a holodeck can do the same.

It was so incredibly Discovery to make Burnham the only one worthy of the greatest technology ever.

And that baseball is too clean to be Sisko's. Daniels got duped.

CastorTroy

Could picture the progenitor's reaction "WHAT THE F**K!?!?! I didn't mean to throw it into a black hole!"

Well, that's that.

And if I learned anything from watching Stargate and other shows, being that close to a black hole would distort time.

It took me to the final episode, but I only realised that the pattern buffers are how they make the weapons magically appear.

I will say they cast her mum well using Sonja Sohn. There were times at the end that I thought it was her and not Sonequa.

So where was the rest of the crew at the end since she said that she and the crew would leave? Yet she seemed to be the only one there when she said her line.

breezy1985

Stole this from somewhere else but it sums up my feelings on the creative bankruptcy in Trek right now.

"Imagine if when "All Good Things" came out 30 years ago, the most exciting part of the episode was that Q revealed he was really Trelane."

paulbok

What a load of tosh, though I was watching the staircase scene at the end of Titanic.

All that effort to find the powered of life and then just chuck it onto a black hole? And that final red directive for the ship just smells of setting up a sequel down the line.

These new Star Trek shows are getting really good at ignoring major hanging plot lines from season to season, no mention of the extra-galactic life from from the end of S4.

Like Picard did in the final season, ignoring the Jurati Borg* and the mysterious wormhole or whatever it was. * Especially daft when the final season ended up with a, ahem, Borg problem?

fritzelly

With some ponderings of DISCO as a whole - they took so much Trek lore, put it through a shredder and randomly stuck it all back together as the basis for stories - starting from the redo of Klingons and Spock having a sister to the ending with the Progenitors. They really did desecrate a lot of what came before while trying to using as fan service.

Did the producers not say once they time jumped it would give them so much breadth to tell different stories that hadn't been written and were not tied to previous Trek so no issues with canon and then promptly relied on that lore for the rest of the show.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204417#Comment_122204417

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204385#Comment_122204385

Don't worry the Disco refit is just to tie in with the Short Trek:Calypso.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204417#Comment_122204417

They jumped forward centuries and still had to dig back to the Breen and Progenitors to anchor a season. No inspiration, fan fiction on a bigger budget.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204945#Comment_122204945

First it was "too dark" thematically so they tried to bludgeon in some inspirational Roddenberry style stuff.

Then they run scared from the "canon" people off to the 32nd century, since that time they have chickened out of showing a single Klingon for fear of the angry Twitter fans.

And then when left insecure by the praise heaped on Lower Decks they try desperately to prove they "know Trek" by filling every inch background with an Easter egg and mining old shows for plots.

If they just stuck to their guns and did their own show I probably still wouldn't like it but at least I would have some respect for them.

ItHurtsWhenIP

Sweet baby Jebus, but that was an absolute drag of an episode. I didn't feel any of the action was "exciting" or "tense". I just couldn't wait for it to be all over, so I can never have to look at it again!

The only thing I got a laugh out of, and this was just me remembering a very old one-liner, was when the progenitor shows up … "I just met God … and she was black!"

I get that they had it filmed before they knew it was the end, so they tacked on that last bit. I also don't recall the short trek story about the Disco refit, but maybe I mis-saw something … When old Burnham approaches the ship, we see the letter A being etched onto the hull, right? When Burnham pulls out of space dock, there was no A that I could see … but as I say, maybe I mis-saw. Please don't make me go back and watch it! … Please!!!!

<Edit to add> I started my TOS re-watch last night, with The Cage and I was much more entertained watching that for the, perhaps, 7th or 8th time, than I was with that shyte this morning.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122206971#Comment_122206971

Yes they got rid of the A and made the ship look 23rd century to fit with Calypso.

When you say "only thing you got a laugh out of" were you not in stitches for the totally unnecessary slow-mo tackle when the Breen hit Burnham 🤣. It's Battlefield Earth level bad.

ItHurtsWhenIP

@breezy1985 Yes they got rid of the A and made the ship look 23rd century to fit with Calypso.

Oh! So Disco has been the refit "A" for the last couple of seasons and at the end of this episode, they were removing the "A" from the hull? I thought it was a continuity error at the end! 👀

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122206971#Comment_122206971

When old Burnham approaches the ship, we see the letter A being etched onto the hull, right? When Burnham pulls out of space dock, there was no A that I could see.

I thought that too at first but the A was being taken off it and it was put back in its originally 23rd Century configuration. Utterly stupid. It's like trying turning a mk 5 Golf into a mk8 and then turning it back to a MK 5. It just can not be done and this sums up what an absolute mess that Discovery was.

Please don't make me go back and watch it! … Please!!!!

I demand you go back and watch it now only joking. Even I am not that cruel.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207599#Comment_122207599

Etched off of the hull

It has been "A" since season 3

CastorTroy

Couldn't remember much about Calypso apart from Craft and Zora developing feelings of each other. So just read a summary it is really stupid. Like why is it so important that that event should happen other than the makers not planning things out and making a throwaway short? Like they had to revert Discovery back to looking like it did in the short simply because they hadn't planned that far ahead. There's no other reason.

I hope they at least removed the spore drive after leaving it otherwise anyone could stumble across it and steal the technology they were so protective of.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207957#Comment_122207957

They could just ignore the short which was the original plan except for the fact they are terrified of fan reaction.

It's also really fuking sick that after establishing Zora as sentient they send her off to hide for 1000 years and lose her mind.

TheIrishGrover

Jesus Christ. That was worse than I could possibly have imagined.

pah

That fukin slomo hurricane mario bros jump she did back out of the rainy planet FML what a load of poo

_Kaiser_

Didn't even realise that this show was finally over until a YouTube suggestion this evening.

Having read this thread it seems that they didn't manage a Picard season 3 recovery anyway.

I gave up after the disaster that was the season 2 finale - Burnham is Space Jesus, Spock reached out to Kirk and McCoy because of his "sister", everyone just agrees to never speak of the mushroom powered starship with its crew of 21st century millennials, and pew pew only outmatched by the tears and emotional outbursts.

My apologies, sympathies, and thanks to those of you who kept the rest of us posted over the last few years. The needs of the many and all that.

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122210850#Comment_122210850

I like to think that we.... WE (internal monologue) are the true heroes here (with "brave smile" ™ ).

Nah, it was awful. I enjoyed the first season quite a bit and the second. And defended it here. But it just turned into poor fanfiction. Really bad wish fulfilment to the detriment of anything outside of Burnham. Was really not a good show after season 2... at all. And I put it totally down to the showrunners. Each actor involved is actually great but saddled with what they got. When they had the tiniest chance to show what they could do they were great. I would actually love a Discovery series with different showrunners and no Burnham because I thought the secondary characters were criminally wasted and MUCH more interesting.

Tldr: you didn't miss anything by leaving when you did... at... all...

Edit: fixed autocorrect typos

_BAA_RAM_EWE

Is this the end of this show?

flazio

Well that makes The Orville Star Trek canon. The Progenitor is clearly a female Moclan and Litos shuttle looks like it runs on a Quantum drive instead of a warp drive.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122211823#Comment_122211823

So much potential wasted.

Pulling the show down to a single person for the Klingon war was daft. Something like that and on modern TV called for wider scope not narrower.

And imagine what you could do in 5 seasons with Lorca, Stamets and Saru if they had been given to good writers. Jason Isaacs is an incredible actor and would definitely fit neatly alongside the other series captains. Would be the only one who could match Stewart and Brooks.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122211854#Comment_122211854

Supposed to be the finale yes.

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212250#Comment_122212250

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212229#Comment_122212229

I LOVED Isaacs's take on a captain: Doing what needed to be done in a universe that wasn't perfect and needed the tough choices to be made from time to time. Put it this way, you wouldn't see a shrink on his bridge..... and then.... eeeeeeevilllllll. Lost interest

As for the Orvile shuttle at the end, I was thinking the exact and thing at the time. Was thinking how ironic it was that they were obviously taking "inspiration " from the "inspiration "

Greyjoy

I think that they chose the least interesting option in how to resolve the progenitor tech by just "kicking the can down the road". Yeah they kept it out of Breen hands but it just resets the setting to square one. I also thought it odd that Burnham didn't at least offer Moll the choice of reviving L'ak? Tell Moll that she can bring him back but that he won't be the person she loves and won't remember her.

I get why the writers tacked on the epilogue. They didn't know when writing the season finale that it would end up having to be the overall series finale. I don't know why they felt they had to close the loop on the Calypso short trek. Surely that time would have been better served giving a proper goodbye to the cast? I mean, poor Owo & Detmer got what - 5 secs of screentime?

Still, as underwhelming a finale this might be I still think "These are the Voyages" retains top spot for worst series finale. This finale at least feels like its in keeping with the rest of Discovery - for better or worse. It doesn't turn around and take a massive dump on the preceding show.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212648#Comment_122212648

They felt they had to close the Calypso loop because of a small obsessive angry group of Disco fans online.

The showrunners should have quit Reddit when they started making this show.

CastorTroy

But how many shows have endings where the showrunners annoyingly just go with the "open to interpretation" idea? So all they had to do about Calypso was just have the showrunners say "Oh yeah, that still happens sometime in the next thousand years".

flazio

Look, I know you all want it but they won't Poochie Discovery.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122213122#Comment_122213122

Calypso wasn't part of the show though. They didn't have to address it at all. In the early draft of season 3 Book was referred to as Craft so it seems they were only ever going to take cues from it.

GreeBo

I have tried twice now and I cant get through this last episode, both times I literally fell asleep during the last 30 minutes.

Jeeze its pretty awful isn't it?

Rawr

Alright, so I have said throughout that I wouldn’t watch Season 5, but at least try out the finale.

But here we are, and I can’t for the life of me muster enough fecks to bother setting sail to watch this. I therefore kindly ask my fellow Boards Trekkies….is it worth the effort of watching?

All I find myself wondering is, what is Michael’s ultimate fate? Some online posts suggested that she ends the show as an Admiral. My reaction to that news was this:

I think I even did voice….(sudden hankering for a tour around Perdition’s Flames too…)

So…should I bother? I barely got past Season 3, and did not feel left out in the slightest when I skipped Season 4, and now 5. I’m wondering if I’m just as well off leaving it alone.