Dacia Duster Prices

jimbobmalones

New 2024 Dacia Duster prices are in

for Europe

Base model is €17490 in slovakia

https://www.dacia.sk/model-comparator.html?leftModelAdminId=spring-electric-bbg24&rangeId=global-range&rightModelAdminId=duster-p1310-ph1

Should be good fun seeing Irish prices when they land - Guessing 27k for base model

So much for the EU/common market

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058353327/dacia-duster-prices

And?????

Different country, different tax system.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187437#Comment_122187437

Common market is the key word he used. And he is correct. When it comes to cars we are rode sideways.

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187447#Comment_122187447

Other countries have vehicle registration tax - Denmark in particular.

Duty is different in all countries too on many products.

Same in the "united" states. Different tax rates depending on the state.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187437#Comment_122187437

A joke of a tax system

jimbobmalones

Key point is simple - we pay almost 50% more than our brothers and sisters in Europe

for a basic necessity (for most people). Germany is marginally higher (18450 for Duster basic) and that is a seriously wealthy

country. A second point is that many Irish people are fine with this due to inertia / national characteristics

hence it continues…

Miscreant

Wasn't this similar with the Jogger when it was launched? 17k in other parts of the EU but 25k and above here?

I believe part of the reason is because we like a higher spec on our cars so the VRT element will be higher as a result.

Still can't escape the "Treasure Ireland" effect though and feeling like we are taken advantage of.

As the old adage goes.... the price is what the market will bear. We seem to bear a lot in this country.

Eggs For Dinner

It's a lucrative revenue stream which helps pay our national bills. Value for money on how revenue is spent is another matter

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188287#Comment_122188287

That's incorrect. We only ever get basic models over here in comparison to our EU or even UK counterparts. Their basic model is more like our premium model.

Its a joke. We are double taxed on everything.

BrianD3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188404#Comment_122188404

That's not really true. While we often didn't get top spec versions of cars or they were special order only, we also didn't get "UN Spec" versions. The Dacia Sandero Access (unpainted bumpers) has never been sold here, it has in the UK and rest of Europe where there is a critical mass of frugal people and old giffers who don't care about spec.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188794#Comment_122188794

So we different specs of vehicles are held back from out market. It's the same thing really.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188820#Comment_122188820

it’s not though. There is obviously not enough demand for the basic package here.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188840#Comment_122188840

Well supply should meet demand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188879#Comment_122188879

but there is not enough demand!

goochy

it will be priced at what importer thinks market can take , i see cars tested in uk mags and see sometimes irish price is euro equavalent of it

jimbobmalones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189336#Comment_122189336

Good point - i think the market is slowing as inflation has taken its toll on Irish peoples incomes. Dacia are currently

offering zero per cent finance for the first time ever here and I think that's an indication that they are struggling for sales.

To put it in perspective - the Duster 1 started at 16k for a diesel not that long ago.

Hopefully it may be priced reasonably here. Still compared to other brands they still offer a lot for the money. Basic octavias are now 32k ish

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189398#Comment_122189398

I think for me to deviate to a Dacia it would have to be serious, serious savings. Although other base models of Octavia, Corolla etc are bigger money I'd have more trust in them.

reubenreuben

Not knocking people who would buy a dacia, but I recently hired a 2023 dacia stepway for a week. It was like going back in time with it's lever for internal/external air control etc. And fairly shoddy build quality.

You gets what you pay for but in Ireland that doesn't apply when comparing 17/18k in other countries to 27k for same car in ireland

cml387

I'd rather a lever for air control (and other real buttons) than have to hunt through a set of menus on a touchscreen.

goochy

They ate the lada of the 21st century

antodeco

Its funny the divide of people who hate Dacia or those who just "get them". Those who do "get them" know exactly what they are. Cheap reliable cars. For most people that is all they need. An A-B car. I have a Dacia as my daily driver and it has never let me down and does the job exactly as I need it. When I want to have a more enjoyable drive I just use one of the other cars I have

Wanderer78

…with the average industrial wage at over half of what it is here in slovakia, maybe this is really why we pay more!

Luna84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190346#Comment_122190346

I have driven a Sandero and thought it was the same as any other car I drove. One thing though is it was down on power with it's 90bhp. Could do with a 130-150bhp model.

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190608#Comment_122190608

Absolutely, 100% !!!

I handed my Volkswagen id3 electric car back to the finance company under the half rule, couldn't wait to get rid of it. The software was irritating as hell, the ergonomics absolute sh1t.

I often lost climate, radio, climate and even speedometer because of a system crash, stopping the car getting out and locking it worked sometimes but other times not and I'd have to drive around with not even speedo and I recorded it happening once.

These systems should be banned, but now we're seen screens in cars larger than TVs in homes 30 years ago and no one has the common sense to put a stop to it. How have people become so addicted to screens that they can't sit in a car for a while without having screens in their faces too ? even the digital instrument clusters are massive now with endless menus and customisation.

I wonder how many fatalities are as a result of the ever increasing amounts of in car tech, cars are not meant to be entertainment centres.

Now I drive a Kia Cee'd 1.0L 120 Hp petrol and love it, it's much more fun just for the fact alone it weighs around 1300 Kg vs the id3's 2000 Kg !!!

I quite like having a manual petrol after 9 years of driving EV, after the novelty wears off they are just high tech appliances + I got fed up with public charging, just can't beat filling up in 3 mins for 800+ kms !

Now I have manual climate control and it's the best thing ever, so simple to use while on the move.

Nice analogue instrument cluster.

Proper handbrake

Halogen lights no matrix headlights that will cost around 2 K each to replace if they fail then have to be coded to the car, for the Cee'd I can get a headlight out of a breakers yard pop it in and job done.

All this tech in cars and the high cost is just bonkers. I am happy to have a much more simple car and I really like it.

+ I couldn't trade the car no matter what dealer I went to so this is the reason for giving it back to the finance.

Rows Grower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187437#Comment_122187437

I think the point being made (on the motors forum of one of the biggest Irish chat forums) was the extra cost the same motor is going to cost Irish people compared to other motorists that live in other member states of the EU.

It's a very valid point.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190913#Comment_122190913

It is true. But it's also easily explained. Want cheaper cars? Move to the continent. Want cheaper XYX just move elsewhere.

We are a small island country on the edge of Europe that drives on the opposite side of the road as the vast majority of the continent.we have a different tax system etc etc. Lots of things are gonna cost more here than on mainland Europe unfortunately.

The other points raised on this thread are very valid in the context of rising road deaths in this country and the perceived lack of reliability/simplicity in newer and more expensive cars. There are many many more distractions in more expensive cars and a lot more to go wrong with the systems in them. Maybe cheaper more straightforward cars are the way forward.

Luna84

Just to add about screens. I remember one day I was walking down a street in Galway city and a woman drove by me in a Tesla Model 3 and she was driving by with her face on the screen pressing screen buttons. She didn't crash or anything but as was said it is a distraction for her.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190940#Comment_122190940

It has nothing to do with us being an island or being RHD. The reason cars are more expensive here is because of our punitive VRT system. Look how much cheaper cars are in the UK and it will prove my point.

BrianD3

Even with not selling the proper UN Spec versions, Dacias are by a big margin the cheapest cars on sale here - yet the Sandero languishes in 17th place in sales tables with the Jogger nowhere in 60th. Is Dacia restricting supply or do people just not want good value cars? I'd say it's the latter.

Financial illiteracy, ignorance and snobbery are endemic in ireland and in the case of cars, PCP encourages consumerism and stupid purchases. The more you pay for something and the bigger the touchscreen it has, the better it must be, right? So a 40k "jeep" from a "good" brand has to be better than a 26k Dacia Jogger - LOL.

Luna84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122191021#Comment_122191021

Like that meme on the internet. One guy has a old cheap car but 40k of savings while the other guy has a fancy car and no savings who is better off. By just looking at the two of them with their cars you'd say the guy with the fancy car but that is not the full story.

jimbobmalones

Agree with most of the points on here - I actively look for a simpler car now and don't want

a glorified smartphone for a car. I laugh at the safety guff from the authorities who insist

on driver aids etc while ignoring the elephant in the room - screens!

djan

It's a bit disingenuous to say prices start at 17k and that it will be much more in Ireland. For one we will most likely not be getting the poverty spec but the Journey level which starts at 21 890.

Would be great if it comes to Ireland around 25k for the 130hp mild hybrid. For another 800ish euro you can get heated seats and steering wheel, lumbar support for driver, front back sensors along with 360 camera. Given that the new Duster is a much more modern design it could be a game changer and with the design rebrand will attract a lot of the previous snobs too (before they realise its a Dacia😅).

jimbobmalones

There are 4 specs priced as follows in Slovakia.(German Prices in brackets)

Essential 18450 (19950)

Expression 18990 (20650)

Journey/Extreme 20390 (22150)

This menu corresponds to what we currently get on the Jogger as spec options so I think we will be offered the same here.

If we take the current Jogger price in Germany for an expression which is about 21k - that's about 7k cheaper than

here where it's about 28k. On that basis I'm guessing The expression duster here will be about 28k which is similar to

the Jogger.

Luna84

The price of the car is probably cheaper in Ireland. It's our government taking their cut through VRT that drives the price up in Ireland.

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190346#Comment_122190346

There's a lot to be said for manual climate, I went from a high tech VW id3 to Kia Cee'd with manual climate, key start, proper handbrake, halogen headlights, no keyless entry, no auto wipers, no software sh1te, it's as if I've finally exited the twilight zone and back to reality, a good reality.

I'm happy now with as little tech now in a car as possible because I can't imagine out of warranty how much a lot of these cars are going to cost to fix for just the software, infotainment alone.

All I want from a car tech wise is central locking, heated mirrors and AC and I am happy, I guess I finally realised that all the tech is useless, dangerous on the road and toxic.

I ride a Yamaha T-Max 500 now too and having such a blast and it's about as basic as transport comes, I love it.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190994#Comment_122190994

It has a lot to do with us being:

1. An Island.
2. Being RHD.
3. A small market at the best of times.
4. Yes, a high VRT rate - again down the economics.

Not standing up for the government here but there are reasons things are more expensive here in Ireland.

Mad_Lad

This is E.U again making non nonsensical laws, interfering in something they know nothing about.

If they want to improve road safety then remove tech from cars and give 6 months suspended license for using mobile in car and it will make them think twice again, caught 2nd time license removed for 2 years.

Increasing amounts of driver aids is not going to improve safety, especially when you have systems that steer with adaptive cruise, it just makes drivers complacent and even less aware of their surroundings and it gives people a sense of safety when using their phones, they feel they can take their eyes off the road and the adaptive cruise will save them ! it's absolutely ridiculous but eventually the insurance companies will start fleecing people with high tech cars.

What's worse is that people think emergency braking and adaptive cruise will prevent accidents, it absolutely does not, if the car in front can't stop and rear ends someone then your car will do the same, cameras and chips can't defy the laws of physics.

All these driver aids in my opinion is just making drivers dumber.

I'm sad to see dacia getting on the screen bandwagon now probably feeling left out in the in car entertainment department. The Duster hybrid all screen and digital instrument cluster.

Another joke with dacia is the fact that the sandero without screen only allows control of the radio via steering wheel controls and just uses the tiny lcd display to show stations, they have no dedicated buttons or knobs to control the radio and have their own app and place for your phone on the dash. Seriously, wtf ?

Other than this the sandero is actually a decent place to sit, I sat in one a couple of weeks ago and I was impressed but screens are creaping into dacia too and while I think they have their place as long as they're small for media and navigation the reality is that you can put your phone on the dash and use this for navigation and it worked, siri can play playlists and do all that.

Screens in cars are a solution to a problem that didn't exist and all this tech and driver aids is making drivers far less skilled.

We should be teaching people to drive properly not trying to get the cars to replace the drivers……..because in reality I don't want to be wiped out by a computer on wheels that makes a wrong decision because it's driver is flicking through their social media nonsense.

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190940#Comment_122190940

"The other points raised on this thread are very valid in the context of rising road deaths in this country and the perceived lack of reliability/simplicity in newer and more expensive cars. There are many many more distractions in more expensive cars and a lot more to go wrong with the systems in them. Maybe cheaper more straightforward cars are the way forward."

Many people don't want to admit their screens are addictive and manufacturers know this, they can charge high premiums for all this tech and people will pay for it, manufacturers are saving money by cramming as much as they can in software and menus. They have people believing knobs and buttons are old fashioned and don't belong in cars in 2024 but there are many complaints world wide, look on redit and some car review sites, JD power survey has an article on how most people are not happy with all this tech in cars.

there's a reason accidents and road deaths have greatly increased but no one wants to confront the real issue head on.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190792#Comment_122190792

Bang on, id be happy with the absolute bare basics in a car.
A bluetooth connection & charge port & phone makes all these expensive gimmicks redundant i think.

oleras

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122195124#Comment_122195124

On point 2, India says hello !

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122195188#Comment_122195188

Yes, I remember the days driving around in VW 1.9 NA Diesels and they were as basic as you could get, lucky to have heat but I was glad of the transport.

I don't think all this tech has made cars better, some good stuff but the realities is that cars are gone too expensive and expensive and complicated to fix.

antodeco

My other cars have zero tech in them. One of them doesn't even have a radio. The joys of the 1970s

mac167

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122195124#Comment_122195124

VRT is 90% of the problem. Check out Autotrader with their prices. Cars in UK in general are so much cheaper in comparison to Ireland. Remove VRT, or make VRT a base rate like 200 quid to register a vehicle will open up so much opportunities for cheaper imports.

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196216#Comment_122196216

The Government are never going to remove such a lucrative source of income, too many people are buying new and more and more expensive cars especially SUV the eyesores are everywhere now and the car manufacturers charge massive premiums for the SUV and all the tech and the more expensive the car the more income for the Government, the more cars sold the more income from fuel too, the fact that the major roads are in gridlock daily is great because it's huge income for the Government.

VRT is not going to go anywhere and another reason there's no major incentive to greatly improve the like of Train services across the Island, the income from cars and fuel is massive and they have already talked about a switch to pay as you drive tax based system because they fear a huge loss in revenue due to electric cars but I think they actually realise that EV sales are probably not going to be any major loss of income for a very long time if ever.

If People don't like VRT then stop buying new cars and hit the Government where it will hurt hard, there's plenty of good 2nd hand cars out there and the ever increasing amounts of 0% PCP offers is making people foolishly avoid buying the 15,000 car with their own savings or part loan and driving out in a 40-50 K car instead because the monthly payments might be the same or a little higher over the 3 years but they mostly don't think about the inedibility of the balloon at the end and no matter how many cars they get to avoid it, that balloon payment comes back to bite and in the meantime they might foolishly have paid for 2 or 3 new cars on PCP before realisation of how big of a waste of money buying new cars is.

I really hope the Government do one good thing and that's tax the sh1t out of all these horrible massive SUVs + do what they did in Paris, charge 3 times for parking !!!

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196122#Comment_122196122

They were easy to fix too.

One example of disastrous quality and absolutely insane car design is the Opel 1.6 Diesel with the timing chain issue, the bloody gearbox and all has to come out in order to be able to replace it !

Car mechanics never had it so difficult today and I wonder how many have left the industry due to cars being so frustrating to work on and being all software ?

Next is Ford's ecoboost engines , aka, ecoboom ! wet timing belt issues, what was wrong with normal dry belts that were usually a lot easier to replace ?

Citroen, Peugeot puretech engines the same, Opel petrols, not sure how many diesels had wet belts ?

The Car manufacturers are getting away with making sh1t cars with no repercussions but woe betide them if their emissions doesn't meet required spec!

reubenreuben

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196640#Comment_122196640

What about large cars in general?

Why is it always suvs that get mentioned?

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122196765#Comment_122196765

Because they are by far the largest cars on our roads today, many of which are too big for car parking spaces which haven't got bigger and won't.

On narrow roads they are a huge problem where I live, constantly having to pull in to let them by or they pull in whatever but the point being two small hatchbacks could get through easier.

These large cars are also choking up the streets when it's mostly 1 person to a car, taking up car parking spaces and multi story car parking spaces are very tight for hatches but these big SUV are a struggle for many to park, it's comical watching people try park them in Dublin Airport for example.

The cars weigh a lot more and are more dangerous to pedestrians, cyclists, motorcyclists , consume more fuel etc.

Cars are a necessity for many people, SUV are more of a choice, while the car is essential the SUV is not.

jimbobmalones

Bringing it back to the Dacia

After sitting in them I would go for their base model the essential however the seats

and upholstery is really poor quality and seems like it would rip with small wear.

I don't care about the extra tech etc but poor quality seats isn't a place for compromise -

Mad_Lad

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/103530/eu-demands-speed-limiters-all-new-cars-know-rules-and-how-they-work

Why has the EU brought speed limiters in?

In a word, safety. Chief proponent of ISA is the European Transport Safety Council (ETSC) which says the move will reduce collisions by 30 per cent and road deaths by 20 per cent. The EU has a target of zero road deaths by 2050. 

There's some pretty bold predictions there, the reality is that road accidents and fatalities are increasing and not reducing with more "safety" tech.

A typical E.U approach is that we will try force more rules and laws and this is the answer, force reduced emissions, force the ban of ICE, force speed limiters, force lane assist bla bla the real issue with road safety is lack of enforcement and poor driving skills that need to be addressed, computer chips can not replace proper skilled drivers.

Meanwhile all this tech just adds to the cost of the cars and driver digital fatigue and promote the use of driver attention because it makes them believe their cars are safe to allow them use phones!

Absolutely bonkers.

I liked the part about geofencing, how much of what we do will be controlled in the future by computers ?

The E.U idea here is that a computer will solve it, we won't have to do real work like improve driver training, no, that would make sense, just let a computer and software take care of people. It's getting crazier by the year !

djan

Lads do ye not want to just make a new thread?

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122198609#Comment_122198609

And whats that got to do with the price of Dacia Dusters in Ireland vs mainland Europe?