Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

Dr Robert

It's not a one size fits all for MAGA. That's where they were clever tbf.

Big corporations voted him in as tax breaks will make them bigger and richer. He got all the top tech guys on board before the vote.

Conservatives love him for what he is doing to the whole judicial system.

He used powerful social media platforms to get a lot of young people on board. This was key. The Democrats messed up on this one.

Then you have his finatical core. Their vote was certain anyway.

Thee immigration and trans stuff was just easy stuff to get people riled up. Trump will do little to curb immigration, it's all BS.

The US is so polarised when it comes to politics it's difficult to see a rational debate on anything. It's all soundbites, lies and shout everyone down.

Neamhshuntasach

Having a plan is meaningless if the plan is ridiculous.

Like Mike Tyson said,

"Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth. Then, like a rat, they stop in fear and freeze."

thereiver

I don't think democrats or liberals or most young people support trump imposing tariffs that crashed the stock market Milions of people did not vote for trump .he,s also draining the social security system in 10 years time people who retire including army veterans will discover that pension payments that are funded by taxpayers will be much less than they were promised .He'd doing this so that the rich will get more tax cuts now rob poor

peter to pay rich Paul

He,s friends with Putin but does not like Europe and is saying Fu to American ally's .

no one was ready for this .But America has free speech an independent press you can read 1000 s of blogs and listen to podcasts that criticize trump America is not North Korea .Yes the Universitys are now bowing down to trump in order to receive federal grants .They are hiring security guards to stop protestors

The phrase you betrayed me for 30 pieces of silver comes to mind

There are some signs of hope some democrats are winning in state elections

Universitys since the 60,s have always been beacons of free speech and anti-government protest

Its almost like trump wants to destroy the American economy out of sheer incompetence

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325218#Comment_123325218

Oh yep totally agree on the diplomatic level. It's more the posters assuming there's a rational end goal with Trump. I no longer believe there is at this stage.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325489#Comment_123325489

The Plan^TM has been revealed

aloyisious

Trump clearly doesn't [want to] understand how the imports process works where costs are involved. No one could be that thick to keep on spouting the same line after months of economists advice and tutoring on how it works. Trump on how the patient [the US] is doing after the tariffs announcement: 5/6 Trillion is coming in.

He, not by accident, lets the fact that the 5/6 Trillion is the value put on and paid, or to be paid, in US dollars by the US importers and customers for the imported goods sail completely over his head. The dollars are not coming in from abroad, only the goods. in the eventual analysis, the dollars are going abroad out of the US economy into other economies.

newuser...

Have any tariffs been imposed at all yet by US

Until they are it's all talk

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325423#Comment_123325423

I think Trump has deeply held opinions. Some warped, some less warped but all defined very much by his own existence.

IMO His plan is what it says on the tin. Tax the world because the US is the biggest Dawg in the pound.

I believe he thinks his actions will result in a gold rush for the US. But he views that through the prism of him being lord of the manor while the plebs toll in the mines.

That's why I can't understand the poor voting for him. He wants to bring back a time where the working man was flogged to death for pennies.

Kermit.de.frog

The UK is progressing it's negotiations for the removal of the 10% tariff there. They say it's going well.

Micheál Martin saying this morning that the US administration has shown 'worrying antipathy to the EU' so far in negotiation attempts.

It would be a particular blow to us if the UK ends up with no tariff and we're stuck on 20%. That's a real competitive disadvantage especially for food/drink and also those multinationals exporting to the USA. Production jobs and manufacturing could start leaking to the UK or the North.

newuser...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325582#Comment_123325582

If his plan is seriously to impose tariffs on that entire list , well then he's out of his mind

The outcomes are totally unpredictable and likely working against US

looksee

He does not have the employees or infrastructure to collect the tariffs. Once the blockages start because nothing is moving, that's when the practical, as against theoretical or financial problems will be seen.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325600#Comment_123325600

The US would be screwed if the 20% on EU goods remains. There simply isn't an alternative source for most of that trade.

Manufacturing is not going to leak to the north or UK because manufacturing is a capital intensive process to set up and it takes huge time and effort to move. The tariffs will not last 3 months

Hoop66

Thank god the scary brown lady didn't get in though, eh?

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325615#Comment_123325615

He's 100% out of his mind. He suggested injecting bleach for Covid. Like he's mad as March hare. It's why he's box office 🤣

newuser...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325623#Comment_123325623

Probably all a game of poker for deals , no major tariffs ever take hold

He might tariff a few of the sprats on his list to raise the ante

Bit daft the way media taking it all literally

newuser...

Trump likely has a few important targets on that list for deals

Most of the rest on the list probably don't matter

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325600#Comment_123325600

UK are meant to be best friends with US, yourself and other Brexiteers promised a Us UK trade deal for years, instead they get tariffs imposed on them too

Why do they have to negotiate anything in first place while Russia has no tarrifs?

Why do Mexico and Canada? Didn’t they sign the best trade deal ever with Trump before? What does say about the value of Trumps signature on a document and any new deal UK “negotiates” now

RickBlaine

This is an extract from an article I read this morning.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-american-age-is-over

There are only three possible explanations as to why Americans voted for this man:

1. they wanted what he promised;
2. they didn’t believe what he promised; or
3. they didn’t understand what he promised.

Pick whichever rationale you want, because it doesn’t matter. Whatever the reason was, it exposed half of the electorate—the 77 million people who voted for Trump—as either fundamentally unserious, decadent, or weak.

…..

We have the government we deserve.

The American age is over. And it ended because the American people were no longer worthy of it.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325625#Comment_123325625

No, he didn't. Trump is bad enough without having to tell dumb lies.

halkar

Will the tariffs be based on where the goods manufactured or where the goods coming from? Companies manufacture goods here package them in another country with lower tariffs and export from there. Car manufacturers have been doing this for decades. Most car factories around the world are just assembly lines with most of the parts coming from the manufacturer's country.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325687#Comment_123325687

FFS here, direct from the horses mouth

https://youtu.be/zicGxU5MfwE?si=ifQm_EdDc18f7N2L

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325686#Comment_123325686

I know people who didn't care about what he planned - they just didn't want Kamala (or a Dem) to win, either because they are from a country like Venezuela and are anti-anything remotely left wing on principal, or because they are a single issue voter on something like abortion.

So I think that's an additional possible explanation on top of the 3 you mentioned - someone Pro Life didn't want someone talking about changing the laws. Trump didn't campaign to promise future abortion changes.

sock.rocker*

Yes, exactly. He didn't tell people to inject bleach.

Yahoo says no: https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-trump-didnt-advise-233300994.html

Polifact says no: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/no-trump-didnt-tell-americans-infected-coronavirus/

More fact checks saying no:

https://www.wfae.org/politics/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-tell-americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-suggest-people-inject-poison-cure-covid-1619105

But sure, paste the video in knowing no one will watch it so they will just believe he told people to inject bleach.

yagan

The first thought that came to mind when the election result came was that this was confirmation of the end of the US era.

His first term could have been thought of as a blip, but his reelection removed all doubt that the US public via the democratic system available to them had decided they wanted another four years of "everyday is flip the table day".

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325722#Comment_123325722

Or you know watch it and listen to what he actually said?

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325709#Comment_123325709

It's based on the country of origin. So even shipping say an iPhone from Europe to the US, it would be tariffed under the Chinese tariffs.

Or as some suggest companies here shipping Irish products from the north to avail of the lower 10% tariffs. They are still Irish origin and subject to the EU 20% tariffs.

There is a set amount specified for a product to be say American/UK made etc... so even if the US dropped the tariffs on cars for the UK, they could still be classes as an EU product due to the % of EU parts etc...

briany

Bernie Sanders is regularly sounding the alarm on Trump and his cronies. He'll be remembered well by most, apart from the usual bad actors who'll paint him as Joseph Stalin for asking basic questions like, 'Hey, the rest of the industrialised world has stuff like decent public healthcare and social protections. Why don't we?.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70nHmlapu7w

But Sanders can only illuminate a small portion of what's going on in any one speech. If you wrote out each Trumpian action since taking office on a little sticky note, put them all on a corkboard, and then threw a dart at them in the dark, chances are you'd hit something pretty disturbing.

For example, because Trump doesn't like media outlets who criticise him, I was wondering who was the current head of their FCC, which oversees the granting of broadcast licences in the US, and pretty unsurprisingly it's another Trump loyalist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Carr_%28lawyer%29

I point this out to illustrate how Trump and co. are stacking his administration up and down the card with people who would place fealty to Trump above the US constitution in the case where those things diverge.

Although Trump is really only a symptom of the greater picture, which is that the ultra rich are moving to protect their assets, and the crumbs that everyone else gets….. well, they want some of those, too. They'll be buying up more of those after the next recession and they believe there's nothing you can do about it because you'll be too busy slaughtering ethnic minorities and blaming people on the dole for all of the ills in society.

Champagne, anyone?

https://youtu.be/0quhLtBXijM?si=_9A6bkavA5o7YIPL

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325722#Comment_123325722

"he did express interest in exploring whether disinfectants could be applied to the site of a coronavirus infection inside the body, such as the lungs"

I think this is the point - yes it's incorrect to expand on this to mean 'hey drink/inject bleach'

But that statement to suggest applying disinfectants inside the body is pretty wild no? I think it's easy to play chinese whispers or use semantics to discredit it - but the spirit of the suggestion is what the problem was

newuser...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325686#Comment_123325686

They wanted what he promised

He gave them the salesman's spiel and now he's delivering it

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123325726#Comment_123325726

I have watched it many times.

Give us the timestamp of where he tells people to inject bleach.