Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122958169#Comment_122958169

Except it didn't pass the senate unanimously really. Rubio submitted it to be passed by unanimous consent which would have been blocked by a single objection, however most senators didn't even know about it. Tom Cotton, very much a Trump loyalist was completely against it. And it never got through in the house because even though there was bi-partisan support for a change, not on what change. It essentially split the house in 3, those who wanted to keep standard time permanently, those who wanted DST permanently and those who didn't want to change

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122964644#Comment_122964644

Who was it that said he wasn’t vindictive? All he will do he say he won, they were wrong, and waste time in the courts.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122965408#Comment_122965408

And generate revenue from his cult followers "to fight on their behalf"...

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122965608#Comment_122965608

And clearly he will blame everything bad on the dems…despite the republicans having full control.

everlast75

So, this is what it boiled down to...

A lot closer than we were told at the time....

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122966173#Comment_122966173

Shhhh now, it’s a landslide like never seen before, the biggest in history, the best.

Frank Bullitt

The gift that keeps on giving. Just imagine if Biden said this, the republicans and their supporters would be seeing double.

looksee

I was watching one of those vox pop type videos where young Americans were asked quiz questions and got them all spectacularly wrong. This was not what was interesting though, you can edit to prove anything. What was interesting was the utter lack of critical thinking that was going on even at a most basic level. 'Where is the Panama canal?', 'who fought in the Spanish/American war' and similar questions where the answer was provided in the question.

This is what is going on here, most Trumpites will not switch their brains on even for a second to see how stupid Trump's utterances are. This is an education system that is already failed; over the next few years it will get worse.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122966214#Comment_122966214

There are school kids with a better grasp of history and world affairs.

ilkhanid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122966371#Comment_122966371

They should ask them ''When was the War of 1812'' and ''How long did the Thirty Years War last''.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122966214#Comment_122966214

Except that wasnt what Trump said now was it ?

In a quote from 2019 he said:

"The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years, to ancient Rome …”

Which is a pretty valid assertion.

The influence of the Roman Republic on the formation and principles of the American Republic is well-documented, and Trump’s point was historically sound.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-italy-ally-ancient-times/

That Twitter account posted seems to be looking for donations and is spreading misinformation and unfortunately some people were duped.

Baba Yaga

all the way back to ancient rome? well…columbus didnt get to america till 1492 and i believe caesars rome/ancient roman empire was long gone by then in 1492…id say the nappy was on too tight that day!

anyway the vikings got there first!

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122967654#Comment_122967654

Trump was reading a speech, in all likelihood it was written by a speechwriter.

What he said was fine.

looksee

It is a valid assertion if you read it like that. The problem is that neither we nor the American public are used to even slightly sophisticated, academic statements from Trump, so we interpret his speechwriters' offerings as though they are at his preferred level of discourse. This is not so strange given his reference to airports in the revolutionary war for example.

Baba Yaga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122967668#Comment_122967668

so…if the speechwriter put a speech in front of donny saying…."im a gobdaw and ye are worse for making me president" he would just read it?out loud?!?

Podge_irl

This is a pretty weird one to get worked up over. The US has about as much political heritage related to Ancient Rome as modern day Italy does (or indeed most of Europe). The phrase doesn't mean the relationship goes back that far, it means that the heritage (i.e. history) that they both share goes back that far.

It is, at worst, mildly poor phrasing.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122967698#Comment_122967698

Americans would be stumped at 'gobdaw' and 'ye.'

4 more years of explaining what he meant. That'll be what, 12? At least. Covfefe, anyone?

MisterAnarchy

Is the penny finally beginning to drop with alot of people ?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/van-jones-says-trump-is-smarter-than-critics-dude-is-a-phenomenon/ar-AA1vTHKY

CNN commentator Van Jones defended President-elect Donald Trump's intellect, citing his winning campaign.
"The problem is you have a framework in your mind that how can Donald Trump, how could Donald Trump?  Guys can we cut it out? Donald Trump is not an idiot. Donald Trump, let me just be very clear. Donald Trump is smarter than me, you, and all critics. You know how I know? Because he has the White House, the Senate, the House, the Supreme Court, the popular vote," Jones said.
"This dude is a phenomenon. He is the most powerful human on earth and in our lifetime. And we're still saying, ‘Well, how is this guy [doing it]?’ We look like idiots," Jones said.

When you hear someone like Van Jones who absolutely hates Trump with a passion saying that Trump is smarter than him and all the critics its interesting.

Trump has played these guys like a fiddle.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968972#Comment_122968972

In a cult you only need to be slightly smarter than your followers.

everlast75

Herschel f**king Walker!

I just....

Calahonda52

Canada announces new border rules following Trump tariff threat

LeBlanc was present at a meeting last month between Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Trump at Mar-a-Lago, a trip reportedly meant to head-off the levy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czx5p41696po

Rawr

So Donnie is "smart" because the US electorate are so disengaged with their own democratic process that they didn't bother coming out in enough numbers to keep him out?

He ran a campaign that was the model of dysfunctional stupidity. He won the vote because his opponents didn't know how to excite the electorate and far too many of that electorate didn't care enough about the suitablity of Trump verses any other option.

Donnie has benfited from increadbly good fortune on his part, but that should never be mistaken for ability. It is worth yet again mentioning for the sake of our "centrist" friends and anyone who might be swayed by their agrument, that Donnie is still the morally bankrupt nitwit he has always been. Winning the White House again does-not-change-that.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122967599#Comment_122967599

"The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years, to ancient Rome …”

Explain to me, how they can share anything when America had not been discovered until 1492. For your reference, Rome fell in 476…

Take your time with this one.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122967668#Comment_122967668

So now he didn't say it, it was someone else? Give us all a break.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969866#Comment_122969866

What he said was completely different to what you posted in that screenshot.

Snopes did a fact check on the claim "Did Trump Say Italy and U.S. Have Been Allies for Thousands of Years"

The verdict was false, he didnt say it.

What Trump actually said, in his opening remarks during the press conference 5 years ago, was as follows:

“The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years, to ancient Rome …”

Snopes verdict in the link I posted earlier was

The influence of the Roman Republic on the formation and principles of the American Republic is well-documented, and Trump’s point was historically sound.

There was nothing wrong with what he said, the man mispeaks regularly and makes spurious claims but in this case he didnt, its clearly misrepresentation and lies trying to insinuate he said "Italy and U.S. Have Been Allies for Thousands of Years."

https://www.newsweek.com/historians-journalists-defend-donald-trump-president-mocked-ancient-rome-comments-italy-1465879

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122970044#Comment_122970044

You are literally quoting him, and what he said is factually and historically incorrect.

“The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years, to ancient Rome …”

THIS STATEMENT MAKES NO SENSE! It is historically inaccurate and flat out wrong.

Celticfire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122970151#Comment_122970151

Since you started this exchange show us where he said that the US and Italy have been allies since Ancient Rome. You posted it so it will be easy for you to confirm he said that.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122970151#Comment_122970151

Did you read the Newsweek article ?

Did you read what historians had to say on it ???

Mike Duncan, a best-selling author and podcaster who became famous for his work on ancient Rome, wrote on Twitter "My scorching hot take is that what he said is basically fine."

ABC News correspondent Terry Moran concurred . "Trump was absolutely 100 percent correct that Italy and the USA share a political and cultural history dating back to Ancient Rome," he explained. "The Senate, for instance. Look it up. Also Cicero, Cato, Cincinnatus, etc etc If you are tweaking Trump for this, you're embarrassing yourself."

CNN reporter and Trump fact-checker Daniel Dale argued that the president's critics were unfairly misrepresenting his comments. "People are wrongly describing this statement to mock it," he said on Twitter.

Snopes said what you said was false and what Trump said was accurate.

Newsweek said the same.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122970182#Comment_122970182

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/donald-trump-raises-eyebrows-by-saying-us-has-been-bound-with-italy-since-ancient-rome-a4263566.html

The White House official Twitter account posted a clip of Mr Trump's comments during a press conference with Italian president Sergio Mattarella in Washington on Wednesday.

Mr Trump said: "The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years to Ancient Rome."

Many took to social media in confusion over his comment, with some pointing out that the US only turned 243 on July 4 this year.

There you go :)

And another poster also quoted it as well.

odyssey06

The political heritage… Trump must be thinking of Caesar, who destroyed the Roman Republic… setting himself up as dictator…

I guess that tracks.