Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 06/06/25

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337299#Comment_123337299

Trump is the literal epitomy of MAGA, I dont care if people claim they arent for it or voted for him for some other nonsense reason, by voting for him they voted for MAGA and therefore endorsed it, your choices define you especially in the voting booth whether people like it or not.

dinorebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337296#Comment_123337296

Not the Chinese they play a long game.

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337308#Comment_123337308

Similar to the remorseful Brexit voters - The uncertainty and propensity for it to backfire were presented to them clearly. And a lot on both sides of the Atlantic was based on simplistic stuff like blame immigrants.

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337308#Comment_123337308

By that logic why are approval ratings even a thing? Your way he basically had a 100% approval rating among Republicans from day 1

It's way more nuanced than that, and as I said initially, this is because of the 2 party system and the desire to make everything political completely left/right binary when the reality isn't like that for voters.

You can try to oversimplify it but not all republicans are MAGA, and not all of voters voted for this tariff plan

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337296#Comment_123337296

China can't fold due to the culture of saving face.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337324#Comment_123337324

Keep trying to blame the 2 party system all you want its just an unfortunate fact of american politics. If people didn't support Trump they had another option but they made a choice in the ballot box, if they didn't know what he was going to do or didn't think he would follow through with it that's their own fault but when they voted for him then they voted for this as everything he has done is what he said he would do.

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337343#Comment_123337343

I'm not disputing that, I'm disputing that all his voters are MAGA. As I've pointed out, not all his voters are even Republicans!

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337354#Comment_123337354

Trump is MAGA, he created it, he defines it, he is the embodiment of it, anyone who voted for him knows this and if they don't then they are morons. Any vote for Trump is a vote for MAGA whether they support it or not. They and you can obfuscate as much as you want that they arent MAGA but it is absolutely what they voted for.

yagan

Its funny the derisk language in the EU about China is now actually applicable to Trumpistan.

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337359#Comment_123337359

I don't think you're getting this so maybe we leave it

That does not mean you yourself identify as MAGA. Only about half, at most, republicans support the MAGA movement. There's many Republicans in Congress who are not MAGA, guess who they voted for?

I see the point you're trying to make, I just think it's overly-simplistic and ignores the right of somebody to vote as they wish for someone who they want to see elected but who's political ideology doesn't match their own.

If you can't understand the distinction between moderate Republicans and MAGA Republicans then I think the binary system might be the best one for you to understand alright

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337372#Comment_123337372

The moderate Republicans seem terrified of the MAGA crowd though - even the Democrats seem afraid of them and unwilling to criticise them (which is quite bizarre).

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337372#Comment_123337372

Regardless of who is or isn't MAGA those who voted for Trump have to own the damage.

The question is will maga continue if Trump were to keel over on a tee off?

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337372#Comment_123337372

Ironic that republicans are getting antsy about what they identify as….

A vote for Trump is a tacit endorsement and support of MAGA that is all there is to it.

Most importantly right now that is also the way trump sees it.

I also absolutely understand the distinction between moderates and MAGA republicans however the moderates still voted for a MAGA candidate. You want to blame the 2 party system and imo thats a cop out for weak people afraid of losing their seats.

Also im absolutely certain I understand the 2 party system and its specific weaknesses far better than you think.

Seattle

Is there any consensus as to why stock prices are rebounding slightly?

Because there doesn't seem to be any signs as of yet that Trump will reverse course on the tariffs.

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337393#Comment_123337393

The question is will maga continue if Trump were to keel over on a tee off?

I would be quite worried about how fanatical MAGA would readily accept that an unhealthy 78 year old could die of natural causes. The current environment is ripe for conspiracy theories to be bought easily.

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337403#Comment_123337403

I'm really not convinced that you do.

Are registered members of the Libertarian Party now Republicans because of how they voted in that 1 election? Because that's what you're saying.

The reality is non-Republicans voted for him, if you're saying they're all MAGA then they're all Republicans now too right?

Will_I_Amnt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337415#Comment_123337415

And rightly so. He's being checked more frequently than almost anyone on Earth and his cholesterol levels are....many people are saying, the greatest cholesterol levels perhaps the world has ever seen....many people are saying. But it won't be believed by the crazy left....because their cholesterol is very weak......and Don's cholesterol is so very strong.

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337412#Comment_123337412

Investors think mistakenly that they have bottomed out. If that's the case, they ain't seen nothing yet. It will be interesting to see the market when Trump slaps on an extra 50% on China in a while.

He will probably wait for the closing bell.

He should have named his book "The Art of the Deal when you're not dealing with China"

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337412#Comment_123337412

Could be as simple as markets always overreact on both upside and downside. There's a lot of momentum strategies(honestly I think most but they won't all admit to it) out there that will ride out any trend.

poop emoji

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337412#Comment_123337412

Bull trap

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337412#Comment_123337412

I think it's that negotiations with partners are underway. The market thinks the tariffs will not last.

If China is to respond with a 50% extra tariff on the US they'll very likely announce just before the US market opens for maximum impact.

Strazdas

Should be noted that Trump is no Republican : MAGA-ism is effectively a brand new right wing populist or far right movement with little or no connection to the Republican Party of Reagan and the two Bushes (similar to the distinction between Reform and the old Conservative party in the UK).

PixelCrafter

The market is calculating in that Trump has had a pattern of imposing some utterly stupid measure and then walking back from it 2 days later.

If he didn’t, and digs in instead the market will likely plummet.

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337489#Comment_123337489

China is also looking at Services which is interesting, as well as non-tariff retaliations such as cancelling patents from US companies within China and withdrawing from cooperation on the fentanyl issue

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337412#Comment_123337412

My thinking is there's nowhere to go, even gold which always does well in a crisis hasn't really responded.

It's too late to do anything really. Amazon have their international stores to fall back but Apple which is completely reliant on China is fooked.

If the Trump tariffs remain you might see companies with risk spread globally being a target for US investors looking to offload out companies heavily impacted. It's a realignment of both international trade and the domestic us economy.

poop emoji

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337489#Comment_123337489

China is a “partner” now?

poop emoji

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337503#Comment_123337503

Markets thought Trump will spend 4 years playing golf

Instead they got over a year worth of gains wiped out

And uncertainty worse than Covid where no company can make short, medium or long term plans

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337434#Comment_123337434

No its not what i'm saying at all, MAGA does not equal republican as its effectively a party hiding within a larger party, the only requirement for MAGA membership is agreeing with what trump says and a vote for him is again a tacit agreement of what he says and does therefore if you voted for him you absolutely voted for MAGA whether you like it or not. Saying you voted for him but don't support MAGA is a lazy cop out of people not wanting to deal with the consequences or be blamed for their actions in the voting booth.

There is actually around 5-6 separate parties across the political spectrum all hiding under the 2 umbrellas of Democrats and Republicans, similar to the Tories and Labour in the UK. They hide under those 2 umbrellas as the First Past the Post electoral system being a horrifically undemocratic voting system forces them to so they can get elected.

If they had a more democratic electoral system such as our own PR/STV that allowed those parties to exist as their own viable political entities then those people would hopefully have voted for someone that more aligns with their views however there isn't so they didn't BUT they still made a choice to vote for MAGA or not MAGA, that is unfortunately binary and as far as trump is concerned a vote for him was a vote for and an endorsement of MAGA. And that is all that matters right now as he fully believes all 77 million people who voted for him agree with him.

landofthetree

The EU who put 70% tariffs on many Chinese goods are calling for the Chinese to show restraint.

CoffeeImpala

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123337434#Comment_123337434

This is just a question of simple English.

It doesn't matter what a voter's political ideology is. If they have voted for a MAGA candidate then they have shown their support for MAGA and can therefore be called a MAGA supporter.

That they may have also voted for Libertarian or actual Republican candidates on other ballots is irrelevant. They could have chosen to abstain from voting for the MAGA candidate or voted for the other side of they wanted to be anti-MAGA.