Hipster Cafes and Bakeries

Patsy167

€4.50 for a pain au chocolat and €3.80 for a latte. €6 for a small square of sourdough focaccia bread. I'm all for supporting local businesses but these hipster cafes and bakeries are taking us for fools. There's a Lidl 100 yards down the road where you could fill your basket in their bakery for the same price.

HeidiHeidi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058352012/hipster-cafes-and-bakeries

Lidl down the road don't serve you at a table, nor have a nicely decorated premises, nor have the same staff/insurance/god knows what else requirements.

Luckily, attendance at said hipster cafés and bakeries is not yet compulsory in this country.

Off with you to Lidl if that's your preference.

If the cafés and bakeries have priced themselves above the market that's there for their offering, they won't be in business for long.

accensi0n

Yer no patsy

magicbastarder

€3.80 for a latte is about standard in a cafe in dublin, i'd guess, hipster or not.

raspberrypi67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148483#Comment_122148483

not the only place ripping us off. I often go into Centra. I buy the coffee which I like, 'frank & honest', I also go for the individually wrapped croissant's, usually nice and fresh, 1.50, not exactly cheap either but that's my choice, however, today I saw 3 in a bag for 3 euro. Thought ok.I'll get them. I'd say the little trick there is that they were yesterdays croissant's, , stale as Fcuk..I took one bite and couldn't eat it…. I'll be saying it to them next time I'm in there….Centra Celbridge,!!!

artanevilla

Comparing a cafe to Lidl is ridiculous.

Do you complain in the pub as well that you can get a can of Guinness in the offo next door for half the price?

ednwireland

my local Baker is french and is a boulanger. got 5 croissants for 8 euro this morning.

HeidiHeidi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148549#Comment_122148549

Flick a splash of water from the cold tap onto them, into a warm oven for 5-8 minutes and you won't know them from today's ones. Yesterday's bakery goods at a knockdown price are great bargains!

I won't buy those individually wrapped ones on principle because of the gratuitous plastic waste.

drury..

Are they made with butter ?

The genuine ones are although there's a new trend in France with unbuttered ones

Kaisr Sose

I can't get my head around some of the prices charged for take away coffee from casual trading (van/converted horse box) locations. It's not an expensive drink to make and overhead should be low.

I accept people can just pass up on the high price coffee if they want. Nothing wrong with Lidl pastries.

drury..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148605#Comment_122148605

Profit 😁

AndyBoBandy

If people are stupid enough to buy at those prices, there'll always be someone smart enough to sell it to them.

demand will always seek supply.

Kaisr Sose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148628#Comment_122148628

Marginally viable outlet in saturated market with low entry cost needs to price high to be sustainable?

Quay_Koncept

I got a cappucino and a cake (choice of toffee donut or other 2 kinds of sweet cakes for about 3.30ish in McDonalds the other day which i thought was good. Twas decent cup of coffee and donut was tasty. Only weird thing was on the automated machine it would only allow the offer with a standard capucinno and not the large one. Thought they preffered selling the larger sizes!.

loyatemu

€3.30 for a baguette in Bread41 - I get that Ireland is an expensive place to do business, but I'd be interested to see a breakdown of why this basic item is €1 in France and more than 3 times the price in Ireland. And yes I know you can buy a baguette for 70c in Tesco & you can get one for 30c in a French supermarket, but in an actual bakery they're generally a euro or so.

starlit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148546#Comment_122148546

It’s the standard in most places due to rise in min wage and coffee cups and I am in Munster so I don’t know what the prices are in Dublin but I’ve seen them more and be more than €3.80 even €4 in more tourist towns. They have gone up in costa and Starbucks very rarely you see coffee that’s between €3-3.60. The cheapest you get be to get an americano and add your milk in. The sol machine in dunnes is the cheapest you might get that’s aprox €2.50 use own up or €3 if it’s to use their disposable cups.

The only way to reduce it in a hipster and other local coffee cafes or franchised coffee cafes is to bring your own reusable cup if they offer that service and discount. Can reduce it by 20-35c depending where you go. You can’t get a takeaway coffee cup anymore in Killarney either you drink it from their own cup ware and sit in or have your coffee to go reusable cup to reduce the price when it’s their packaging cup is what is driving the price up aswell not just the bean they use, providing a service and the machine and other overheads they have.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122149652#Comment_122149652

what are rent and rates like in a french bakery compared to on pearse street?

Dante

Anyone been to that non-alocoholic board games pub near Harold's Cross?

€12 for a non-alcoholic cocktail, €5 to rent a board game.

Absolutely wild, no wonder the place was empty.

JayRoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122149880#Comment_122149880

Wait wait wait….you have to RENT the board games??? What?

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122149880#Comment_122149880

Sounds like fun, not.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122149841#Comment_122149841

They likely won't have to import flour like us. Apart from beef and milk, we are pretty crap at self sufficiency.

drury..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150216#Comment_122150216

Surrounded by water and no fish

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122149652#Comment_122149652

Its a while since the bakeries in France were €1 a baguette. €1.50 is probably the minimum and certainly €2 is the norm in Paris suburbs.

But the main difference in price will be economies of scale.

The local French baker is baking hundreds of these every day of the week. Thus can buy in the flour cheaper, better utilisation of the oven and as it sells in such quantities, they can have a lower mark-up.

The Irish artisan baker is buying flour imported from France (the flour here is not suitable for decent bread) has the oven half full and probably sells 50 on a good day.

BTW - go to America and you'll think Ireland is cheap. Prepacked sambo and coffee is $12-$14

Viscount Aggro

People need to cop on … I never buy a takeaway coffee., and I can afford it. I was cycling into work, 10 km each way, for 10 years. Brought my own lunch, no coffee. Garbage dumped at work, toilet roll looted.

Kaisr Sose

Are most of the shops not buying in fully or part baked baguettes? Economies of scale can be found in Ireland. However, I don't think suppliers or retailers are prepared to have a lower mark up/pass savings on to end users. Consumers are paying the prices, so high prices become the norm. The only way to buck that is for consumers to vote with their wallets and not pay the prices.

The coffee market is totally saturated, and perhaps some outlets/locations are not viable. There was one opened in the old shop/garage forecourt at The Scalp, Enniskerry Rd Autumn last year. I cycle past it frequently and rarely seen anyone buying. It's now closed and For Sale/To Let.

KaneToad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148569#Comment_122148569

Offo?

It's offy, where I'm from.

Mind blown.

RobbingBandit

Sourdough eh, hoist with one's own petard

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150644#Comment_122150644

Google "paddy tax".

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150644#Comment_122150644

you can buy a baked par-baked cardboard tasting baguette for €1 or less in any supermarket.

Try a decent artisan baguette where the dough is made fresh each day from decent flour and without palm oil and additives and you will see why its worth €3+

drury..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150643#Comment_122150643

Thsts just a tightwad

Kaisr Sose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150673#Comment_122150673

I know the taste of such breads are superior. When. In Germany and Austria I love their fresh bread...however in Ireland, price is not an indication of quality.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122149652#Comment_122149652

Labour costs are higher in France than here.

Yet you can get a main course in a restaurant in central Paris for 9.50 - 12.50.

drury..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150790#Comment_122150790

Presumably the cost of doing business is lower

Materials insurance electricity rent rates etc.

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150790#Comment_122150790

I'd love to know where that is. Even small side street hidden restaurants used by locals charge €18-€20.

In Germany the standard main course is over €20 in most ordinary restaurants and it's fairly basic food.

In Dublin you can get good value without looking too hard - here's my favourite place - brilliant food and superb value https://enotecadinapoli.ie/eat-italy/lunch-menu/

Geuze

https://bouillonlesite.com/bouillon-republique

I admit that prices like these are not typical in central Paris.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150644#Comment_122150644

A frozen, laughably titled Cuisine De France baguette? A favourite of builders without any taste buds.

An insult to a proper baguette.

fatbhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150643#Comment_122150643

Where in Cavan were you working?

coolbeans

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150643#Comment_122150643

FfS you should be ashamed of yourself. Rubbish dropping off at work and nicking the toilet roll. I'd say you wouldn't spend Christmas and everyone in your circle knows it.

colm_c

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150643#Comment_122150643

Not hard to find the Cavan man.

degrassinoel

Hospital shops are a worse rip off than that.

Unfortunately, i didn't have the luxury of just pissing off to the next shop as I'd just been a few days after major surgery - nil by mouth and only sipping water until 2 days before, doctor finally said i could eat - awkwardly it was between hospital meals, so.. famished as i was i wheeled myself down to the shop which took a good ten minutes being as weak as a kitten and bought a prepacked ham and cheese sandwich from a company that makes them for the hospital (company based in finglas)

7 euro.. for a f**king ham and cheese sambo on white bread with nothing else on it.. I had enough sense to ask how much is the sandwich, young lad behind the counter confirmed it was 7 quid and looked at me as if i was going to be a Karen.. i just handed him his cash.

in fairness, it was good, but i'd not eaten in 5 days.. so yeah.

I could if i'd the strength and energy went to aldi or lidl, bought a loaf, butter, ham and cheese for the same price and left whatever i didn't use with the ward and still had change left over from that seven quid.

Anyway..

The catering staff from my ward in the hospital that evening asked me if i'd like a sandwich, i greedily said yes.. and guess what.. same package, same company, same ham and cheese.. these guys are catering to the hospital too.. they must be minted! :D

Kingslayer

Are cuisine de france even going anymore? I thought the fresh baked goods in supermarkets killed them off.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152549#Comment_122152549

No, they're still around.

Petrol station gourmet fare.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152549#Comment_122152549

The fresh baked goods in supermarkets are mostly prebaked from Cuisine de France, aren't they?

tom1ie

€4.50 for a king cornetto ice cream

The world has gone mad

rowantree18

Sceál Bakery has recently opened in Greystones. Queue out the door constantly. Coffee 4e and I think it was just an Americano. Miso Sourdough 7.50. The pastries are the 4-5e mark. I'm not stingy, but jaysus.....

ballyargus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152661#Comment_122152661

fully agree - 4.50 for pastries, it's overpriced and not all that great. Firehouse bakery on the other hand, still not cheap but their coffee and pastries are high quality.

rowantree18

Firehouse the bomb - way better value and I enjoy the walk to Delgany

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152661#Comment_122152661

Bread 41 opening up in Greystones too.

Citizen Six

Had a pastry in Bread 41 recently. €5.40. It was amazing, and nowhere else does anything like it. I know it's overpriced, but I don't mind treating myself sometimes. They were sold out of it on Friday, so got something else, which was €3.40.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122150643#Comment_122150643

Some of us just like to actually spend our money, you should try it sometime. Cant take it with you.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152607#Comment_122152607

They are made in the same plants, yes.

Until relatively recently, the parent company also made most of the croissants in France!!!