Gardai Inefficiencies

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122154380#Comment_122154380

once again , if you know so little why keep typing after being proved wrong again and again via links first hand experiences and common sense . drew doesn't prosecute any one he isn't even part of the many many over sight organizations, and his record for prosecuting gardai is poor at best . and quoting helen who has shown herself to be totally unsuitable and incapable of doing the job time after time is sort of worthless too

Terrontress

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152788#Comment_122152788

This graph, as a % of GDP, might have as much to do with GDP as it has to do with spending. Bulgaria spends the most as a % of GDP but, according to wikipedia, Ireland has a GDP of $133k per capita compared to Bulgaria with $33k.

Population sizes aren't dissimilar, if Ireland and Bulgaria spend the same $/€ amount on public order and safety, I would expect the chart to look like that, i.e. Bulgaria spends 4 times Ireland as % of GDP, and has a GDP of 25% of Ireland.

orchidkey

These the same Garda who negotiated themselves a nice 12 hour shift roster, meaning more money in unsocial hours and more days off. A few years after getting pay rises for "parading" and an allowance for being on annual leave all outside of general pay agreements.

Also leaving a Roads Policing without cover from 2am to 7am, one of the most dangerous times on the road.

A farce of an organization where orders come from the bottom up rather than top down, discipline and the Oath mean nothing to the ranks.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122199568#Comment_122199568

Nope. 12 hour shifts were forced into Gardai as a result of Covid. There was No one looking for them. There was No choice.

Now, those shifts are staying, it results in less annual leave for those members on 12 hour shifts. Which is only frontline policing members, not all Gardai.

The 15 minute parading time, means that members have to start work 15 mins before their official shift start time. This is not an option. Which means that frontline policing units actually work for 12 hours 15 mins. Do you think they shouldn't get paid for their work?

Garda members have no say over the rosters of road policing units, which you don't have right btw, there isn't a break between 2am and 7am.

orchidkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122199702#Comment_122199702

You're having a laugh. You actually think Gardai are working those extra 15 minutes? Garda shifts start and finish at the top of the hour like they always done. If the parading was extra, shift times would be starting at quarter to the hour.

Like all unions, they never miss an opportunity to line their own pockets and once Covid roster came in to reduce the number of movements, they saw the extra money and the gibbs-me-that all kicked off.

During pay hikes, it's all about how highly trained and motivated they are to serve the public.

When the sht hits dealing with the far-right, suddenly they aren't so highly trained.

A farce.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122203654#Comment_122203654

Where exactly do you get your information?

They work the 15 mins, that is why they get overtime for 15 mins over a 12 hour shift.

You clearly haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.

orchidkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122203663#Comment_122203663

No, they don't.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058349852/gardai-inefficiencies

Gardai have some great technology. Over 12,000 'mobility devices' have been provided to front line Gardai, Samsung phones running specialised apps that allow them to check vehicle status and issue fines on the spot, along with other Garda functions.

They do have some diabolically inefficient systems. The old 'handwritten' statement form is a bit of a joke in this day and age, as is the inability submit video evidence online.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122203666#Comment_122203666

Yes. They do. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Dohvolle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122203784#Comment_122203784

The handwritten statement due to legal precedent rather than a garda operational issue. Other agencies in the state involved in law enforcement also use the handwritten witness statement. It's what the DPP and the judiciary demand.

Same goes for video evidence. If you record evidence on a phone, everything on the hard drive/sd card is the exhibit, not just the clip. We were advised many years ago to never use our personal phone to record anything that may be used as evidence. Reason being, would you be happy with the defendant and his legal team looking at the other photos on your device?

The only thing that would change this is a test case that goes to the high court on appeal.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122205622#Comment_122205622

Yes, I appreciate that the solution to a lot of these issues are not in the Garda's own hands.

The handwritten statement is a joke. I have Gardai handwrite out a statement that I emailed to them and then I have to sign it. When I was less prepared in the old days, it usually ended up being the Garda's words, describing my situation, that went into the handwritten statement, rather than my actual words, so the handwritten thing isn't really fit for purpose either.

I've had wide variations in requirements about video evidence from different Gardai, sometimes different Gardai in the same station. Some wanted 'end to end journey footage', some wanted the original drive or SD card, some are happy with USB or emailed footage. They've said that they'll move to an online portal next year, without any change in legislation, so all this stuff about needing the SD card is just nonsense.

Dohvolle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122205678#Comment_122205678

When they move to the online portal,come back to me.

Of the videos you have submitted, how many have been prosecuted, using just the video evidence, where the defendant has pleaded "not guilty"?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122205735#Comment_122205735

They've said that we'll have the portal next year. While timing might be an issue, they've no difficulty with the principle of this, after it being examined by some kind of working group.

Part of the problem is that I've really no idea no idea how many are prosecuted, because most Gardai don't let me know what happened. Some Gardai have confirmed that FCPNs were issued and paid. I've never had to go to Court, because I don't bother reporting to Gardai unless I have fairly clear obvious evidence, so most drivers do the smart thing and pay the fine and take the two points, rather than risking ending up with four points.

Iguarantee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152054#Comment_122152054

**** it, I was earning €700/wk NET only 5 years out of college. Twenty years on the job to earn that kind of money; that is a joke!

Fair play to Gardai, they provide an essential and valuable service and are neither rightly compensated nor rightly recognised for it.

Shield

OP has been answered and thread has run its course.

Discussion closed.

-Shield