Project 2025 - Autocratic & Christian Nationalist USA on the way ( If Trump gets 2nd term )

aidanodr

I have been keeping an eye on this PROJECT 2025 thing for a while. So much so now I think it merits its own thread to keep an eye on this & if it becomes a reality. It is absolutely terrifying.

In a nutshell - a complete new blueprint for a Christian Nationalist Autocratic USA IF Trump gets a 2nd term. This has been worked on behind the scenes for a good few years and it includes ( I think ) about 29,000 pre trained people to take over the Gov, the Civil service etc etc in 2025 / IF trump gets a 2nd term.

https://www.project2025.org

Watch this - especially from 3mins 15 secs in -

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/watch/maga-republicans-try-to-turn-back-the-clock-204594245800

DISCUSS ...

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058337289/project-2025-autocracy-christian-nationalism-in-the-usa-if-trump-gets-2nd-term

Even if Trump is particularly not elected this cycle, this project will endure for 2029, 2033, etc.

“I have learned one thing over the last nine years, and I was glib at best and probably dismissive at worst about this,” he says in the most poignant moment of his monologue. “The work of making this world resemble one you would prefer to live in is a lunch pail job, day in and day out, where thousands of committed, anonymous, smart, and dedicated people bang on closed doors and pick up those who have fallen and grind away on issues until they get a positive result, and even then, have to stay on to make sure that result holds.”

https://www.fastcompany.com/91027717/daily-show-jon-stewart-return-comedy-central

aidanodr

Recent Video from PBS News hour on this with more detail:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-trump-sees-a-2nd-term-as-a-chance-to-promote-loyalists-and-punish-critics

aidanodr

New Politico article on all this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/20/donald-trump-allies-christian-nationalism-00142086

Names to watch out for:

• Russell Vought, president of The Center for Renewing America
• Christian nationalist William Wolfe

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121799342#Comment_121799342

It's also much the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation.

aidanodr

@Overheal I am quiet amazed at how little airing PROJECT 2025 and the Heritage Foundation etc is getting over this side of the pond. Its a grave threat to us all across the world. I really think people do not realise how organised the trump cult is for this time around. Been quietly working away on all this last few years or way longer. They didnt impliment it in his 1st term but they are damn sure going to if he gets in in 2025

buried

Will any these yanks answer a question from Ben Scallan without throwing their toys out the pram tho

TheValeyard

'Under his eye'

silliussoddius

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AbusesToilets

The first thing that needs to happen to combat this is to tax religious institutions and Churches. It's absurd how they are allowed to peddle their hatred and anti-democratic shite, while raking in millions.

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121799385#Comment_121799385

How is it a grave threat to us all across the world ?

Is the world a better place for more people now than it was during his first term ?

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800415#Comment_121800415

Because Trump is the most dangerous man alive. If he gets in again, the world may literally burn.

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800519#Comment_121800519

I will ask again . Is the world a better place for more people now that it was during his first term or not ? Given that both Ukraine and Gaza kicked off after he left office

aidanodr

A bit relevant perhaps, taster of things to come:

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1760024334951735699

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800665#Comment_121800665

Maybe they kicked off due to his destabilising actions?

It can't be good for US citizens that putin wanted Trump to win and interfered to achieve that aim.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800519#Comment_121800519

This doesn't really help.

political analyst

Most American conservative Christians would never want to get rid of the US Constitution. After all, not liking people's sexuality or gender identity or lifestyle choices doesn't necessarily mean wanting to cause harm to them. I'm confident that the US won't turn into a real-life Gilead or Purge-style dystopia.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800692#Comment_121800692

The chief justice of alabama who authored a concurring opinion on the decision, is a real piece of work too

https://www.mediamatters.org/qanon-conspiracy-theory/alabama-supreme-court-chief-justice-spreads-christian-nationalist-rhetoric

Being interviewed by a nutcase to boot who believes all that pizzagate stuff.The Chief Justice for his part went on that nuts show espoused that he feels Christianity must take control of the "7 mountains" ie. 'family, religion, education, media, entertainment, business, and government.'

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800665#Comment_121800665

Argue that here tbh:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058151198/what-does-the-future-hold-for-donald-trump-threadbans-in-op

Ukraine kicked off in what, 2012? Candidate Trump in 2016 said he would recognize Crimea as Russia's, then proceeded to do nothing to help them; when Congress compelled him by law to provide them aid, he withheld it in attempt exchange for political quid pro quo, and only released it when it became apparent there was a whistleblower. That scheme was also an attempt to undermine the integrity of the incoming president, Zelensky, opening the door for a coup attempt, a gift to Putin. Shortly before leaving office he also cut a deal with the Taliban, without the lawful afghan government as a party, effectively handing control of the country over to them while releasing 5,000 terrorist prisoners, then bragged the next administration was powerless to stop this arrangement despite its best efforts to: “I started the process. All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. Twenty-one years is enough, don’t we think? Twenty-one years. They [the Biden administration] couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process.” He also abandoned the Kurds to slaughter in Syria, and recently said NATO allies would be abandoned similarly if they don't "pay their bills" (which isn't a thing). He also enabled the Israelis to continue their illegal expansions and dismantle any 2 state solution as soon as he entered office, even allowed them to kill American journalists without batting an eyelid, and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. It's unclear how you feel he made the world a "better place" or not, though it's awfully rich to ask that question after nearly 4 years of someone else cleaning up his mess.

I'm curious to know if you think Project 2025 would better the world somehow.

Sandor Clegane

What does it say about life when we're discussing the possibility of a second Trump term and the possibility of a Christian fundamentalist regime in the United States...with the state of the world right now it makes me wonder if we deserve to survive as a species.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800849#Comment_121800849

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh9j1slA7R4

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Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800765#Comment_121800765

Meh. Debatable. I'd say it's a split.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/speaker-johnson-reportedly-gave-horrible-talk-at-gop-meeting-made-attendees-feel-like-they-were-at-church/

“I’m not at church,” one of the people said, describing Johnson’s presentation as “horrible.”

“I think what he was trying to do, but failed on the execution of it, was try to bring us together,” that person said. “The sermon was so long he couldn’t bring it back to make the point"

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800833#Comment_121800833

And let's not forget that he surrounded himself by End Times nutters for his Mid East policy, anyone who thinks he would be a stabilizing force needs to stay away from emails from Nigerian Princes.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800916#Comment_121800916

Yeah all that Third Temple crap, which plays into the central theme of P25.

foxsake

I have my doubts if this is real or conspiracy stuff lime msnbc and joy reid aren't exactly reliable - they would tell you Trump was literally Hitler.

But if true it's a fantastic antidote to the debasement of the in the past 15 or so years.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800746#Comment_121800746

It doesn't, but shítposting is endemic in this forum.

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Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801199#Comment_121801199

They launched their own website. Read it yourself.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801199#Comment_121801199

Who better to cleanse us of the debasement than people brown nosing a serial adulterer, pathological liar and the perfect embodiment of avarice, lust and pride.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801199#Comment_121801199

Doesnt get more ofeeshall than this .. there own website:

https://www.project2025.org

And if you like, right there on the home page you can sign up and Receive updates on how you can get involved.

The domain registrant and adminstrative contact info is - THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION - https://www.heritage.org

https://who.is/whois/project2025.org

And who are the HERITAGE FOUNDATION, here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation

silliussoddius

I thought the Heritage Foundation are more true believers in the magic market fairy than anything else.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801199#Comment_121801199

You can see at the bottom of the site that the website was created by the heritage foundation so I'm inclined to say you're the conspiracy theorist if you're claiming it to be in some way untruthful. The fact you view it as an "antidote" equally says a lot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation

Hotblack Desiato

Not really sure if I want to go down the rabbit hole of asking wtf the "the debasement of the in the past 15 or so years" is supposed to mean

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803936#Comment_121803936

Probably best as some never make it back up

Overheal

“Welcome to the end of democracy. We are here to overthrow it completely. We didn’t get all the way there on Jan. 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it."

https://www.mediaite.com/news/maga-will-govern-for-50-years-steve-bannon-opens-cpac-with-prediction-of-trump-victory-amid-global-crisis/

silliussoddius

Grifter's gotta grift.

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aidanodr

Oh Look .. Project 2025 UK??

https://twitter.com/Lewis_Brackpool/status/1760809064978649355

Hande hoche!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121806245#Comment_121806245

Think in Truss's head it was all the bureaucrats' fault. Only for that she would have had a reign to make Tony Blair jealous.

I can't see Bannon bringing about Gilead.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121805978#Comment_121805978

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121806245#Comment_121806245

That lady who was outlasted by a head of lettuce?

Overheal

Republicans seem to be coming around the realization that the Christian theocracy takeover of government really caught the car again here with the IVF ruling.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/something-is-totally-wrong-matt-gaetz-reacts-to-alabama-decision-imperiling-ivf/

https://www.mediaite.com/news/gops-senate-campaign-arm-urges-candidates-to-clearly-and-concisely-reject-restrictions-on-ivf-it-is-imperative/

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/hes-right-elizabeth-warren-agrees-with-matt-gaetz-on-extremist-alabama-supreme-court-embryo-ruling/

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-comes-out-against-ivf-ban/

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-tuberville-stumped-by-question-about-ivf-availability-in-his-state-thats-a-hard-one/

https://newrepublic.com/post/179228/nikki-haley-walk-back-comment-alabama-embryo-ruling

A normal court without Qanon lunatics running it would have applied basic sophomoric critical thinking and seen the repercussions of their ruling from 10,000 miles away.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800665#Comment_121800665

Correlation is not causation cos by that logic, COVID happened while Trump was in office, therefore is it his fault?

Ukraine was invaded (again) because Putin presumed Russian gas and money was keeping the EU and allies in check from any response. He was wrong. Now it's the Christian-Conservative sect of the GOP ensuring Ukraine can't get the weapons it needs to shove the Russians out.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121806245#Comment_121806245

Won't amount to anything: Truss' UK career is shot by dint her absolutely insane economic decisions that would have collapsed the economy had it been allowed to continue. So of course the absence of a scintilla of self-awareness she is simply adopting the Principal Skinner method of evaluation... Was I such a terrible PM? No no, it was the Woke Bank of England that's wrong.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121806272#Comment_121806272

This seems to be bannons plan:

https://youtu.be/XEtE5amrPv4

nullzero

If there's one thing the far left and the far right have in common it's the ability to tell you with a straight face that any amount of insane waffle is plausible.

If Trump is president again it will be four more years of hyperbole and accusations and just like the last time it will end and he won't be a dictator for life. He'll just be an moron like he's always been, and no he isn't a Nazi either.

The silver lining is that even if he is elected it's a countdown to the end of the Trump era and hopefully we can get beyond all of this nonsense once and for all.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813182#Comment_121813182

He did cause an insurrection and countless other serious scandals. So ya, I could very easily see him trying to push through whatever batshit insane proposal he feels like. Cause that's exactly what he tried to do while president.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813182#Comment_121813182

Can you list any specific examples of things you think are hyperbole? Perhaps you thought it was hyperbole to suggest if elected he would get Roe overturned?

We even have Trump this week talking about reintroducing concentration camps.

You clearly underestimate how close his insurrection came to success as well.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813207#Comment_121813207

If this topic were taking aim at the Democrats I've got a reasonably good idea about the tone and content of responses from regular posters here and tin foil hats would be mentioned quite liberally in said responses.

Trump is a prick but he isn't Adolf Hitler, he isn't even close, get some perspective and stop getting carried away with whatever misery porn is getting thrown around.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813295#Comment_121813295

Leave them at it....

It's not often you get to see crazed conspiracy theorists in their natural habitat!!! Sit back and enjoy the show is what I say!!

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813295#Comment_121813295

Yeah. I remember during the Bush era that people were criticizing him and his ilk about the politics of fear. Now some of them are generating the fear.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813295#Comment_121813295

The Heritage Foundation are the sixth most influential think tanks globally.. So it's not some niche group pushing this.

I didn't call Trump Hitler. In fact the only people who have referred to Hitler are downplaying the group...

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813324#Comment_121813324

The fawning that was done over W Bush when he criticised Trump was nauseating.

People have short memories, all anyone needs to do to redeem their public image is have a go at Trump, I don't like the guy but some people need some perspective on him.