EV Charging Points, Discount Rates, Subscriptions etc

drunkmonkey

Can't find a thread for an deals on changing points. I don't know of any so thought we need a thread for it.

Any deals out there from the Likes of Easy Go, Circle K, ESB Cars, We charge or Manufacturer discounted charging etc?

drunkmonkey

anybody? Surely must be some offers out there, kinda shocked seeing the Circle K prices the other day.

VikingG

The only deals I have ever heard of is from car manufacturers who offer discount rates on some providers using their own charging cards ( for example Volvo card was cheaper on Ionity before and has some good rates on ESB) but then can be more expensive on other providers.

CivilEx

The one I use all the time is Freshmile - €0.30 / kWh + €0.30 / min, which on the ESB 200kW chargers works out around €0.45/kWh as long as your charging speed is well above 100kW/hr. No subscription fees here, but not for use by those who don't understand preconditioning and arriving with a low soc or it becomes a very expensive lesson.

A couple that have caught my eye recently, but are likely already well known in this forum include:

Ionity passport - €5.99 / month and a €0.20 Eur/kWh discount which makes the rate €0.53/kWh

Tesla supercharging for non Teslas (Athenry / Enfield) - €12.99 / month and a rate of €0.35/kWh (off peak) and €0.39/kWh (peak)

I'd avoid ChargeMyHyundai like the plague - very expensive, potentially over €1/kWh on some chargers.

cc

I use the Chargeprice app quite often when ESB charging, very good especially with Freshmile where you can input how long you intend to charge at your SOC and estimates the price per kWh

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Marty Bird

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121756934#Comment_121756934

As I’m new to the EV game when you say preconditioning is that done before you arrive at one of their chargers?

CivilEx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763869#Comment_121763869

Yes, you warm up the battery to get it ready for faster charging. Most cars do this automatically once you navigate to the charger using the inbuilt navigation system, at least 30mins before you expect to arrive.

drunkmonkey

Is there any discount available for Circle K, it's the fermoy fast one I'd probably use the most, it was at .69 cent the other day.

Marty Bird

@CivilEx when I look at the chargers close by me using Freshmile app it’s says app not accepted use card. Is that the card for €4.99 ? Then they charge you as you go?

CivilEx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121768025#Comment_121768025

It's a while since I got the RFID card, but yes, there may have been a one off €4.99 charge for it. There is no subscription after that and it's charge / pay as you go.

Buyer beware on this though, in order to achieve a reasonable charging price (approx €0.45/kWh) you need to able to charge at 100kW and ideally 150kW+. Once your charging rate drops to about 60kW, it starts then to become more expensive than ESB prepay rates (€0.64/kWh?). I have only ever used my Freshmile card at the 150kW or 200kW ESB chargers, it no longer works with Ionity I believe.

I don't know what EV you drive, so make sure your car can tick the boxes above! There have been some very unhappy EV owners on this forum in the past who have used Freshmile at AC chargers, with €80+ bills for a single charge.

Marty Bird

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121768112#Comment_121768112

😬80+ I don’t have the car yet it’s M3H hopefully within the next 2 weeks. I’ve work getting done on the house and unable to get the charger installed until it’s complete. Thanks for the info.

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121768306#Comment_121768306

Could easy happen, I think you have to view these chargers as a small fast top up, 10/15 minutes and gone so you're not rolling home on 2 or 3%.

Flinty997

They're making it so expensive no one will want to use a public chargers at all...

CivilEx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121768472#Comment_121768472

I'd love to only home charge all the time, but I can't and have no choice but to regularly use public charging.

Have you seen the prices on BP Pulse in NI - £0.85/kWh (€1.00/kWh) for DC fast charging at sites which are even less reliable than chargers in ROI? They make the prices of the ESB look quite reasonable - but of course we know they aren't :)

Competition is the solution here in bringing prices down. Fair play to Tesla I say, who seem to be the only ones leading the way on pricing.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763906#Comment_121763906

When you say most, what Cara do? I don’t believe that most do.

CivilEx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121770214#Comment_121770214

You are probably right now that I think about it in the context of EV's sold in Ireland over the last 3 years.

There is probably a dividing line here somewhere whereby a car that is 3 years old cannot precondition, but the same version on sale today might have the capability. Take an ID4 or a Ioniq 5 for example which have been two very popular EV's......if you bought either of those cars in 2022 I don't think they could precondition the battery, but there may have been software updates over the last year that now allow them to do so?

joe1303l

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crl84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121770433#Comment_121770433

I think ted1 might be more referring to the car's ability to recognise that you're on the way to a charger (using navigation) and automatically start pre-conditioning at a certain distance from it. There might be this ability in certain manufacturer's navigation systems, (either automatically or if you manually specify that the location you're going is a charger), but probably lots don't have it.

I know Tesla have this, but that's because it's all part of the one ecosystem. Third party chargers make this more difficult.

CivilEx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121776140#Comment_121776140

Fair enough.

Just to circle back, the main point I wanted to highlight originally is that Freshmile can be very cost effective if you can achieve high charging speeds, which you will normally only get with a warm battery.

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the_amazing_raisin

There's a comparison site in Germany which can be useful for comparing cards

https://allchargecards.com/

However there's a few caveats, main one being it doesn't have any of the Irish providers and doesn't allow for filtering by coverage on any Irish networks

One other wrinkle is that it tends to take providers at their word regarding coverage. So Shell Recharge tends to be highly rated despite me having a literal 0% success rate of starting charges with them

Overall it is generally good to comparing prices and EU wide providers so should be good for finding some deals

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121776140#Comment_121776140

I believe Tesla cars can now pre condition to non Tesla superchargers such as Ionity or esb. This feature was added at some point.

Any cars with battery cooling/heating should have the option but many don't.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121918178#Comment_121918178

VW cars can do this as of the ID.7 and newer ID.4/5. The ID.3 might get the updates next year

Dunno if the older cars will get it through an update, fingers crossed they do

They even have a button you can press to manually preheat the battery and it shows you the charging power it can precondition to and how long it'll take

Imagine trusting the driver with the ability to decide when to precondition the battery instead of burying it beneath layers of automation. Madness! 😂

soitissoits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121918178#Comment_121918178

On the note of many don't. I can verify that the e 2008 Peugeot does not Precondition the battery for charging. It only heats the battery if the outside temp drops to around -10c or below.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121914297#Comment_121914297

Electroverse in the UK allows for tap and charge on Ionity chargers across Europe. However, I have noticed using the Electroverse RFID card does have some variation in price. So Ionity charges are 0.75 cent as oppose to 0.73c in the Ionity App. They've also just partnered with Applegreen so you can use your Electroverse card on Applegreen chargers too, once again, however, you don't get the 0.68c rate you would via the Applegreen App.

So really just comes down to, if you prefer the convience of an RFID card or using multiple Apps to get the best price.

talla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121918178#Comment_121918178

Only if Tesla has flagged the location as a charger in maps. e.g. I could search for Ionity City North as a destination and navigate to it but its doesnt appear as a charging option therefore no preheat whereas both Ionity Kills are flagged as chargers and appear in the high charger section (3 lightning bolts) so the car will pre-heat. The cynic in me thinks they want you to use Castlebellingham superchargers instead 😀.

In my experience theres no logic as to when a charger will appear in Tesla Cherging Section, e.g. there are a no charger locations in Letterkenny according to Tesla yet there have been two ESB locations for years. I think I've read before thats its if there are a history Tesla's using the 3rd party chatrgers that it will appear but I've seen plenty of Tesla using both locations over the years including myself.

soitissoits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121920630#Comment_121920630

I thought Tesla let you manually pre-condition?

talla

No manual pre-condition on Tesla natively, if you are using enhanceauto's s3xy buttons or knob, they have an option to enable but thats a third party solution.

CivilEx

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slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121918178#Comment_121918178

You can also cheat and if there is a Tesla SUC within range you can set that as your destination and it will precondition, downside is that you will have to ignore all the navigation prompts (temporarily turn down navigation volume)

denismc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122056308#Comment_122056308

Is there somewhere that you are getting notifications for these?

CivilEx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122062590#Comment_122062590

Yes, emails periodically directly from Weev. I must have signed up for communications from them when I set up an account in their app.

crl84

Weev free charging again all day tomorrow.

zg3409

Price increases and price reductions.

Weev have updated their pricing effective from 12am on the 18th of September 2024...

adastra23

hi, looking for information on which apps offer best rates and if there are any night charging rates

zg3409

If you are taking about public charging your car, usually the best rate is home charging or free work charging.

Plugshare app lists all known public chargers. Typically most have their own app which works out cheapest compared to non provider apps. Some chargers are free, but very few left, some are accidentally very cheap, probably never put prices up for years, others crazy expensive.

Weev have introduced weird might rates and maybe one or two random options have strange time based rates, but really it depends on the options in the area you intend to charge. For ionity there can be cheaper roaming options, ESB ecars have a monthly fee for lower usage fee etc.