Eamon Ryan: What we need today is a much bigger State

Francie Barrett

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2024/02/01/eamon-ryan-we-need-a-bigger-state/

Eamon Ryan is calling for more regulation and state control.

Is socialism the way to improve Ireland's situation? Would you be happier to pay for tax to fulfill his vision?

Strumms

What we need indeed is a state minus Eamonn Ryan as a politician.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121705402#Comment_121705402

He lost it before so it won't be a new experience to him if it happens again.

Are you collecting nominations for the worst politician ?

ELM327

We need him to emigrate to cloud cabb8ge land.

Bobson Dugnutt

He’s right. We need less EY, Deloitte and various other consultancies slowing things down and issuing reports, and more people in secure State employment tasked with making decisions and implementing change.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121705402#Comment_121705402

Ive seen the word self-awareness mentioned when talking about politicians. Bringing in the deposit return scheme(and arguably not fully thinking it through) in an election year shows a serious lack of self awareness for the green party.

I hope they get decimated at the election.

Hande hoche!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121705464#Comment_121705464

Also cycling lanes. Don't forget the cycling lanes.

nc6000

So Eamon Ryan thinks we need more Eamon Ryans?

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121705486#Comment_121705486

You do know that the DRS was coming in anyway no matter who is in power.

The opposition support it.

If the GP are only decimated it will at least be an improvement on 2011 when they were annihilated.

zell12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058334222/eamon-ryan-what-we-need-today-is-a-much-bigger-state

Yes. Nordic tax levels and Nordic services. That's what we want. More people need to pay tax on assets and income, everyone should pay something even those on welfare a minimal amount. Win-win for all.

scottser

If he means ending public private partnerships bias in favour of private and shareholder interest, then yeh. If that means that taxpayer's money doesn't get used to guarantee shareholder profits or bank bailouts then yeh. If all that means a return to a public owned and funded capital works programme then I'm all for it. If it was backed by a subsidised education programme to address shortfalls in professions like doctors, nurses, engineers and trades of all kinds in return for a 5 year contract working for the state, then yeh. If the state fully controlled things like the housing market, then yeh.

Privatisation of state assets was not a good thing on balance. Getting back to public works and public ownership is the best way to stop this interminable race to the bottom.

TinyMuffin

Hopefully he gets lost in the Amazon jungle in Brazil over st Patrick’s weekend.

Bobson Dugnutt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121705477#Comment_121705477

He’s right about lots of things. A truly visionary and reforming minister in his two terms in Government. Not afraid to deal with various vested interests either.

Did the State some service and the history books will be kind to him.

elperello

It's an interesting debate and timely.

We have been independent and running the country for just over 100 years.

We got some of it right and also made some very bad moves.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058334222/eamon-ryan-what-we-need-today-is-a-much-bigger-state

So you did not bother actually reading the article then and are not actually interested in discussing the issues raised..... No doubt when public services reach breaking point because they have not kept pace with the growth in the economy you'll be posting links to that complaining as well. When you find Eamon Ryan and the IBEC on the same side, it is worth checking out..... but obviously not in your case.

Oh and BTW, you don't know much about socialism either.

Bobson Dugnutt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121705614#Comment_121705614

Like what?

By any metrics the Irish State has been a tremendous success. Quality of life, life expectancy, access to education, healthcare outcomes. The narrative that we live in some sort of banana republic is nonsense .

Thelonious Monk

Cycle lanes, recycling schemes, pedestrianisation, a focus on public transport rather than private cars, how dare he do exactly what he said he'd do to get elected.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058334222/eamon-ryan-what-we-need-today-is-a-much-bigger-state

That lad is a 24 carat plonker.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121705775#Comment_121705775

Blame FFFG for 100 years of ignoring public transport. Vote Green if you want continuing improvements in public transport.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121705675#Comment_121705675

Ehh are you for real?

The Irish state for most of it's existence was a failure.

The only thing we avoided was war.

I grew up in an area where emigration was the norm until the 1990s.

There was nothing for people in Ireland, well apart from the connected ones who got whatever was on offer.

We had a state riddled by bowing and scraping to the catholic church.

We institutionalised thousands for daring to not conform and often sold their children.

And finally when that was ended and it looked like we were finally making our own way, we have a head long rush to now bowing and bending over backwards to the whims of bureaucrats in Brussels, Geneva or New York, to connected NGO taxpayer funded loons.

We are even back to the place where daring to not conform to the political and social agenda set by some should see you ruined and even jailed.

Hello hate speech legislation.

We were at pinnacle of our achievements perhaps in the early 2000s.

Economy was ok before construction madness took off and the shackles of the church had been removed.

We have been going backwards since, first was construction bubble's inevitable end, then austerity to pay for that fookup, then growth but only really growth for the MNC sector that is really only here for the cheap taxes.

You talk about health care and education.

I would say you had better chance of a hospital bed and better chance of being seeing within 6 hours in A&E in 1980s than today.

We could even find ways to build hospitals up until the 2000s.

I was able to get a school bus in the 1980s something my kids are not guaranteed today even though I now pay for it.

Third level students could afford and get accommodation in the 1980s something they can't today.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121705675#Comment_121705675

I didn't say we live in a banana republic and I don't think we do.

I said we made some mistakes but point out a country that didn't.

foxsake

the green party are merely the khmer rouge-lite and over time are evolving into more extreme versions of their previous . It wont be long before they go full communist.

He has no compunction about driving us back to tenement buildings if he deems it to good and proper despite none of his policies being anything more than tax grabs.

You often get the vibe from Ryan , he would cheer Thanos in real life.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121706467#Comment_121706467

Well, you're quite the alarmist eh?

Literally nothing in your post has any grounding in reality, which is quite the achievement in fairness.

archfi

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dulpit

Bigger state is a good thing. Look at Covid, the second things went to pot everybody was clamouring for a larger state and the supports that go along with it. The only thing that's preventing it now is that people want loads of services but don't want to pay the tax to fund it...

Gussoe

If the State should grow in tandem with the economy & private sector, then I expect the State to shrink in tandem as well. But that never happens.